open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked EVE24news bulletin real [confirmed]
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 77 78 79 80 [81] 82 83 84 85 ... : last (89)

Author Topic

Dante024781
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:40:00 - [2401]
 

Edited by: Dante024781 on 24/06/2011 04:39:55


CCP,

I will be frank with you.

"Are you moving beyond VANITY AUR items?"

The only way I will be reactivating my subscriptions is if the answer to this question is "NO"

I think most of us know that the reason you have not answered, is that the answer is yes. Right now you are trying to figure out a way to tell us that this is happening without losing customers. I will make it easy for you. You can't.

I wish you much luck in your future endeavors. No hard feelings, it is just a game and I have truly enjoyed it.

I sincerely hope I am wrong.

GavinCapacitor
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:44:00 - [2402]
 

Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


Welp.

TedStriker
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:07:00 - [2403]
 

And Manifest clearly stated that AURUM is here to stay. End of story.

Manos Heimenbarger
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:17:00 - [2404]
 

Originally by: TedStriker
And Manifest clearly stated that AURUM is here to stay. End of story.


The deal breaker for me will be if they expand it too far. If they act on what was in that newsletter. Aurum for some boots or sunglasses or an incredibly expensive monocle? Sure... For skill points, faction points, ships or ammo? Goodbye CCP.

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:17:00 - [2405]
 

Originally by: Doc Fury
This is how it's going to probably go down:

CCP will placate the rioting masses and say MT will only ever be for vanity items. Much spin and weasel-words will be used.

CCP will compartmentalize more things in EVE development so leaks and the like will be less likely to happen. Development of MT for non vanity items will continue, but in near secrecy. To quote CCP manifest: "Arum is here to stay".

CCP will go back to working on their other two games and we will get more weaksauce mini patches that don't really address anything relevant to what the players have been asking for, while the MT machine starts to build momentum.

Next year when DUST is released and does not draw the numbers CCP gambled on, they are going to turn on the MT for game altering items they have been working on all along, even though they said they would not. This could also happen sooner, they are hemorrhaging cash trying to juggle 3 games where only one is laying golden eggs.





This is exactly how it will go, the only difference is this time CCP will go bankrupt as they can't get any new capital. Apparently their discussions with with investors has gone badly and they are desperate.

White Wolf was bought by CCP for next to nothing, due to the WoD franchise being almost dead. CCP are hoping to create a new MMO that will explode to WoW size so they can cash out. That is also what Dust is for, they want to bring in console players and 'integrate' them with EVE. Depending on how many people are left to play EVE depends on whether Dust can succeed or not. Also CCP are extremely short sighted because everyone can see the console fps market is extremely crowded and dominated by COD. To fund these fun projects CCP have bankrupted themselves.

In other words CCP are stupid. Anyone still having any hope CCP won't kill the game is a fool who thinks they're going to get something out of standing up for CCP or just plain fanboy and we know they're as stupid as it gets.

Sevano Markeen
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:21:00 - [2406]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova

stuff



Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.


Dead horse anyone?

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:23:00 - [2407]
 

Originally by: Sevano Markeen
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova

stuff



Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.


Dead horse anyone?


image link below
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

bl3h
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:26:00 - [2408]
 

Edited by: bl3h on 24/06/2011 05:27:14



Give CCP a break, they're just trying to maximize profit, something that a proper business should do.

I bet most of the other MMO developers have this exact same discussion, but they just haven't been leaked Embarassed

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:29:00 - [2409]
 

Originally by: bl3h
Edited by: bl3h on 24/06/2011 05:27:14



Give CCP a break, they're just trying to maximize profit, something that a proper business should do.

I bet most of the other MMO developers have this exact same discussion, but they just haven't been leaked Embarassed


And, that makes it better ...because? Shocked

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:38:00 - [2410]
 

Originally by: Sevano Markeen
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova

stuff



Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.


Dead horse anyone?


We are now dead cows. Mooo

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 05:43:00 - [2411]
 

Maybe we should just ring the investors and say "Hey... CCP management just lost all your money" :-)

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:09:00 - [2412]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Sevano Markeen
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Ultan Rova

stuff



Multiple solutions have been presented by players to resolve these issues, CCP never listens.


Dead horse anyone?


We are now dead cows. Mooo
Lol. Don't think this thread should fall off the front page just yet.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:15:00 - [2413]
 

Originally by: Isis Soryu
Lol. Don't think this thread should fall off the front page just yet.


I just woke up and this is the most fun eve has been in 3 years. :-)


Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:17:00 - [2414]
 

Edited by: Portmanteau on 24/06/2011 06:20:28
Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


AWWW so we should feel bad for CCP because THEY GOT CAUGHT IN A MASSIVE BAREFACED LIE ??

cry moar

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:17:00 - [2415]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 24/06/2011 06:18:44
You telling me, i didn't sleep for nearly 2 days (just a few hours). Laughing

And no, this should stay right there with the apology thread that isnt a real one, there is STILL no statement from CCP executives, and till then, ppl should still read the newsletter.

Warg Matar
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:21:00 - [2416]
 

Make your chief concern formulating a watertight(space vacuume tight?) statement of Aurum bought crap not ever having ingame performance enhancing, or nerfing effects ever. Not not, not in the future. And you might be starting to get somewhere. I don't really think anyone cares about aurum crap being expensive at all. As long as it's just for vanity, as I had thought was intended, it would simply be a matter of "oh cool, this useless crap is cheap, I'll buy it for immersion/boredom/roleplay" against "bah, go away useless crap".

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:31:00 - [2417]
 

I... I...



Neutral


CCP. No.



Just no. If these go live, I'm out.


Mehrdad Kor-Azor
Amarr
Iure Divino
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:32:00 - [2418]
 


Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:36:00 - [2419]
 

OP needs to update the first post to include

Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


please!

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:38:00 - [2420]
 

Youtube comments on DUST videos look too much like past bad information.

We may have to fix that and update people.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:39:00 - [2421]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/06/2011 06:45:45
Originally by: Emperor Cheney


Then one day the user base said, enough.







For 30 pieces of aurum

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:49:00 - [2422]
 

cross-posting before the lock/move to EVE Fiction

Quote:
Originally by: CCP Pann
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


I'm very surprised to hear that the CCP PR & Communications Director was not involved/consulted on a very sensitive and controversial newsletter. It does not matter if these are personal opinions to get a discussion started, the fact that it's on the table and being discussed proves that it's being considered. The part that really got me going was that you recently nerfed ship fittings, with the intention of charging RL $ for it later (in the newsletter).

If you were not going down this route, who in his right mind would call a NEWSLETTER for GREED IS GOOD and place Gordon Gekko on the frontpage.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:50:00 - [2423]
 

Originally by: Portmanteau
Edited by: Portmanteau on 24/06/2011 06:20:28
Originally by: CCP Pann
The newsletter was not fake. I guess this is how it feels when someone reads your diary, something you hadn't intended anyone else to see. Not to deflect the heat but to explain why what I'm about to say, I wasn't involved with writing it. The only reason I mention that is because I am not going to presume to know the minds of the people who did have comments in there. I am not going to throw people I love under the bus or to the lions or whatever. I can't/won't answer questions about what they said or why they said it.

Our newsletters are written as a means to bring about discussion (that sometimes can even become heated debate) among our coworkers. That's really all I can say about it. I am not a game designer. I'm a mouthpiece. I'll admit it. By the time I get involved, the decisions have been made. Not making excuses for myself, just explaining.


AWWW so we should feel bad for CCP because THEY GOT CAUGHT IN A MASSIVE BAREFACED LIE ??

cry moar


Again. You missed that word. I feel it is important.

Also bumper cars.

Aesynil
Caldari
The Unit...
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:56:00 - [2424]
 

I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...

Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?

Horace Nancyball
Posted - 2011.06.24 06:56:00 - [2425]
 

tl;dr

Can someone just summarise why y'alls are getting your panties in a panic about if all you want are internet spaceships and you don't care what colour they are or what you look like? I'm pretty sure that if RMT ever goes beyond "vanity items" it is unlikely to imbalance the null sec game but rather the "pve WoW brigade" so who cares? The EVE universe is big enough to let you avoid the fully rmt officer fitted faction battleships mining for trit.

This happened in EQ2 a year or so ago and I quit on point of principle. Today I'm back there in a very casual capacity and I have to be honest with you guys its impact is minimal at worst. No rmt buff is ever going to imbalance good gameplay. I just want CCP to maintain an open honest approach to future game design as once you lose the trust of the playerbase you will never get it back.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:01:00 - [2426]
 

Originally by: Aesynil
I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...

Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?


Keep in mind that the person saying in his opinion we should have standings & ammo & such in the MT shop. Is the lead developer/designer of this game. He also states that they're going to have to be sneaky about it because, we the player base, are in effect a bit dim.

Hell even Hilmar doesn't escape. We don't like it because we fear change. Erm... no. We don't like it because your busy driving something some of us have spent 8 years enjoy, doing free PR work for and generally being a community about (we're actually pretty good despite first apperances) is being driven in to the ground for no apparent reason other than "we can".

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:03:00 - [2427]
 

Originally by: Aesynil
I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...

Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?


You read ALL of it and found nothing offensive about it? I like you, want to be my customer too?

Isis Soryu
Caldari
Universitas Interimo Research
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:07:00 - [2428]
 

Edited by: Isis Soryu on 24/06/2011 07:08:21
Originally by: Aesynil
I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...

Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?

Originally by: Horace Nancyball
tl;dr

Can someone just summarise why y'alls are getting your panties in a panic about if all you want are internet spaceships and you don't care what colour they are or what you look like? I'm pretty sure that if RMT ever goes beyond "vanity items" it is unlikely to imbalance the null sec game but rather the "pve WoW brigade" so who cares? The EVE universe is big enough to let you avoid the fully rmt officer fitted faction battleships mining for trit.

This happened in EQ2 a year or so ago and I quit on point of principle. Today I'm back there in a very casual capacity and I have to be honest with you guys its impact is minimal at worst. No rmt buff is ever going to imbalance good gameplay. I just want CCP to maintain an open honest approach to future game design as once you lose the trust of the playerbase you will never get it back.
Both of you need to re-read this thread and read the Apology thread if you can't understand how this will negatively impact the game. Not only does it create a P2W game, it also completely cuts out the player economy. EQ2 is not EVE, this is a PVP game first and foremost, the minute RL cash directly* adds to your chances of winning the game is ****ed. (*Just for the record I don't like plex either but it was either introduce them or continue to sell them on the forum like days of yore. At least it operates completely within the economy)

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:09:00 - [2429]
 

Originally by: Horace Nancyball
tl;dr

Lead Dev/Designer wants perks and non-vanity in the MT shop, CCP's track record of lieing to our faces has bitten them in ass.

His wishes leads to:

Alliance A has not MT'd stuff.
Alliance B has MT'd stuff.

Alliance B has more firepower, stronger reps, better tanks, faster ships than Alliance A.
Alliance A can not get those things through training skills or griding.

Winning a fight, in a PvP focused game, becomes a function of who has more RL cash.

$ is converted to PLEX (by someone at somepoint even if you brought the PLEX with ingame ISK). MT store currency can only come from a PLEX. Therefore in simple terms more $ = more MT currency.

Add a 3 day stew where CCP said nothing but snarky comments on the forums, a few Bronies going wild and... here we are.

That TL;DR enough for you?

Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2011.06.24 07:12:00 - [2430]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Originally by: Aesynil
I read the pdf thingy. It wasn't really that bad..One guy said he likes MT's, and that's where half the rage came from. It was the devil's advocate position. The rest was pretty mild...

Why don't we have posts from the other guy, where he said that MT's are bad if they go too far, and should be strictly limited to vanity items to avoid making the game die?


Keep in mind that the person saying in his opinion we should have standings & ammo & such in the MT shop. Is the lead developer/designer of this game. He also states that they're going to have to be sneaky about it because, we the player base, are in effect a bit dim.

Hell even Hilmar doesn't escape. We don't like it because we fear change. Erm... no. We don't like it because your busy driving something some of us have spent 8 years enjoy, doing free PR work for and generally being a community about (we're actually pretty good despite first apperances) is being driven in to the ground for no apparent reason other than "we can".


You are wrong. CCP have no money left because they've wasted it on Dust and WoD. No investor will go near them because they're useless and they are desperate. If they thought they could sell us not only items but access to regions they would.


Pages: first : previous : ... 77 78 79 80 [81] 82 83 84 85 ... : last (89)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only