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Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:58:00 - [2281]
 

Originally by: Quartex
«fluff»

That's the point you see, microtransactions have the potential to give me a way of adapting and evolving using my real life currency. I can be better than someone who has paid the same sub as me but cannot afford to keep up with my real world wealth.

«fluff»




SO your not playing a game with thousands of others, you´re indulging in a display of real life wealth in a battle of bling, you arrogant fk.

Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:59:00 - [2282]
 

Edited by: Erichan on 23/06/2011 23:58:58
oh sweet irony...

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913

"So this thing is vanity items only?

Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy. We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way."

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:00:00 - [2283]
 

Originally by: CCP
We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way."

Gotcha.

Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:00:00 - [2284]
 

Originally by: Royaldo
Originally by: Quartex
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Erichan

I wasn't there but I think the graphics engine got a big upgrade which you can see in some of the videos where they show the old ship transitioned to the new ship. Did I get that right vets?



That would be it... no real "new content" (well not much, from what I remember... I only started at the very tail end of Revelations II) ... but they gave us exactly what we had wanted -- LOTS AND LOTS of pretty for our internet spaceships...



I remember logging on back in 2004 to 3 to 11k players and getting excited over passing 20k. I have kept playing because the changes have presented new challenges, some of which weren't annoying (!), all of which forced me and those around me to adapt and evolve our gameplay.

That's the point you see, microtransactions have the potential to give me a way of adapting and evolving using my real life currency. I can be better than someone who has paid the same sub as me but cannot afford to keep up with my real world wealth. My son used to play "Club Penguin" when it first came out and he could buy things for his igloo and invite friends to visit and admire his stuff. Now he plays Farmville and asks me for cash to have a better farm than his mates. This is normal human behaviour.

In the age of apps, istores and licensed access to content I completely sympathise with CCP; this is an idea worth exploring but it has the potential to bring a fundamental change to gameplay.

In all the years I have been playing the changes made have been under-pinned by a desire to make the game better but progress has been determined by in game effort. Somehow, microtransactions must be introduced whilst maintaining this gaming style.

The eve community are famed for their whining and ragequits but this is because they care about the product they pay for and believe that deep down CCP "get them". This is the first time I fear that a large section of the community are misunderstood, or perhaps it's just me finally failing to adapt and evolve to Eve 2011?


Why do we need MT's again?



Some of the player base will enjoy being able to use MT's to enhance their gameplay. I am not one of them but understand why some people like the feature. CCP need to use MT to increase their revenue,to continue to grow their business and reduce risk to it by diversifying their portfolio of games. I don't know how much debt they are using to get their other investments off the ground but the interest on this needs to be paid .. they can't stand still.

My argument remains that they need to find a way to do this that satisfies both camps and I think that this is possible. I'd urge people to suggest solutions now, rather than raging.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:00:00 - [2285]
 

Looks like the Incarna Trailer was leaked..........

Leaked Original Incarna Trailer

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:00:00 - [2286]
 

Originally by: Riflin' Betty
A year ago today, this was posted by CCP:

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Doesn't it make you sick when you get lied to?

-Heli



Dissapointed, actually.Sad

The Huffarunier
Gallente
The Real OC
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:01:00 - [2287]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Miilla


If CCP didn't anticapte this kind of reaction, they really are out of touch.




We are all collateral damage. CCP is expecting to lose some accounts over this.


So, has anybody calculated how many accounts they can lose before they start to feel it?

WHat is the incomming rate of new customers, what is the churn rate and so on?




If you use 45,000 people online at any given time and each person is really $15.00 then at any given second there is $675,000 real money online. Doing some magic caluclations I'd wager their income is something around 33,000 real money per second or so. I dont know what their costs are.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:01:00 - [2288]
 

Dejavu moment. Don't forget to check the thread topic.

Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:03:00 - [2289]
 

Originally by: Quartex



Some of the player base will enjoy being able to use MT's to enhance their gameplay. I am not one of them but understand why some people like the feature. CCP need to use MT to increase their revenue,to continue to grow their business and reduce risk to it by diversifying their portfolio of games. I don't know how much debt they are using to get their other investments off the ground but the interest on this needs to be paid .. they can't stand still.

My argument remains that they need to find a way to do this that satisfies both camps and I think that this is possible. I'd urge people to suggest solutions now, rather than raging.



Problem with suggesting things, is that CCP doesn't listen. how many threads over in the assembly hall have been outright ignored? (see MT thread)

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:03:00 - [2290]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Dejavu moment. Don't forget to check the thread topic.


Literally just spit out coffee and ****ed a little at the same time.

Thanks.

Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:04:00 - [2291]
 

Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Originally by: Quartex
«fluff»

That's the point you see, microtransactions have the potential to give me a way of adapting and evolving using my real life currency. I can be better than someone who has paid the same sub as me but cannot afford to keep up with my real world wealth.

«fluff»




SO your not playing a game with thousands of others, you´re indulging in a display of real life wealth in a battle of bling, you arrogant fk.


I didn't mean "me" and perhaps neither do you ;-) My intention was to illustrate a position that one might take. Take a deep breath fella.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:08:00 - [2292]
 

Originally by: Deamos
Just a reminder I saw posted on Twitter.

I guess CCP changed their tune?

Old Eve-O Forum Post


Once upon a time not too long ago...

I'm past mad, now. Just sad.

Sad

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:09:00 - [2293]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Everything has been said really. The game is over.


The cards are on the table, I don't think there is any meaningful response CCP could come up with other than doing a 180° turn on their strategical direction (and that won't happen).

CCP has tried to fund three games with the revenue of one game - when this proved to be impossible they had to gamble on changing their single cash cow's business model in order to extract more revenue. That's not fearless, it is desperate.

I guess there exist funding agreements with VCs and banks concerning DUST and WoD that would make scrapping or significantly delaying either of these projects impossible. And at least in the case of DUST the sunk cost is probably high enough to justify completing this project no matter how successful it can be expected to be on the market.

EVE still has a lot of momentum - even if it bleeds a few thousand accounts per month it will stay alive for a very long time. In any case it will live long enough to provide DUST with gameplay content for the 6-18 months you can expect a console title to last and to finance the bridge to WoD.

The sad reality is that "nobody wants to buy a monocle for 60$" paves the road for more aggressive MT items/services - there's little choice but to vary the product palette (and pricing) until people start to buy and we all know that there are some MT items that would see huge uptake simply due to the pvp nature of the game (even if they might be unpopular on the forums).

A new game without the legacy cruft, a new audience without the bittervets, a new business model without the sense of entitlement brought by subscriptions, ... if you had to choose between slowly sacrificing EVE to get WoD and instantly sacrificing WoD for a stagnating EVE, what would your choice be?

And there is still the "hope" scenario - hope that MTs will see some serious uptake before CCP has to switch to gameplay affecting offers, hope that DUST will be a success and live for many expansions, hope that CCP will be able to retain its talent through the critical next 1-1.5 years, hope that the huge gamble pays off and that CCP will emerge with three successful games.


I completely agree with your analysis. This thread has me nodding along with Jade Contantine AND draketrain, a previously unimaginable feat.

What I wish is that CCP would just sell EVE instead of going down this road. That might stop all real development for EVE, but at least it would stay alive and wouldn't get worse.

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:09:00 - [2294]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Deamos
Just a reminder I saw posted on Twitter.

I guess CCP changed their tune?

Old Eve-O Forum Post


Once upon a time not too long ago...

I'm past mad, now. Just sad.

Sad


Yeah, that's about where I am too... Crying or Very sad


So much for the good old days eh?

Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:10:00 - [2295]
 

Originally by: Fighter26
Edited by: Fighter26 on 23/06/2011 21:56:22
I checked out the pdf... it looks legit BUT WHERE ARE PAGES 2 and 3? I don't like evidence being withheld! PDF Goes Front cover >> page 4 and 5 (look at botom right corner.)

WHERE ARE THE MISSING PAGES 2 AND 3?


-Fighter


The unedited one is available - look around a bit. 13 pages in the document view. The front and back cover are single pages, and the rest are two pages in one.

Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:10:00 - [2296]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Deamos
Just a reminder I saw posted on Twitter.

I guess CCP changed their tune?

Old Eve-O Forum Post


Once upon a time not too long ago...

I'm past mad, now. Just sad.

Sad




+1 Sad

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:13:00 - [2297]
 

Originally by: Illuminaty
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

A new game without the legacy cruft, a new audience without the bittervets, a new business model without the sense of entitlement brought by subscriptions, ... if you had to choose between slowly sacrificing EVE to get WoD and instantly sacrificing WoD for a stagnating EVE, what would your choice be?


The problem is that WoD can flop. Dropping a bird in the hand to chase two in the bush is dumb, because you can end up with neither. Especially if WoD ends up too close to WoW and gets crushed.

The proper call is kill WoD if you have to make a choice and retreat to your fallback position and try again later.

Anyone who ever played EVE ought to know that selling your battle cruiser to buy your first uninsured battleship and then running off to get rich running level 4s is going to end in tears.

Also, you definitely don't undermine your workhorse sci-fi based MMO during the lead-up to something like SWTOR.


I agree with this as well. However, keep in mind this same (full) release of the magazine reveals that WOD isn't even in the serious game design stage (!!)

So, basically, CCP is doomed. And they're going to drag EVE down with them.

I really hope I'm wrong about this, but I'm not banking on it.

Sorcsha Voren
Caldari
SVC Corp
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:13:00 - [2298]
 

Edited by: Sorcsha Voren on 24/06/2011 00:15:15
Here's an interesting look back at previous CCP posts.


http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg


EDIT: Too late for me, already linked. But......yeah.

Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:15:00 - [2299]
 

Originally by: Token Afrodude
Originally by: Quartex



Some of the player base will enjoy being able to use MT's to enhance their gameplay. I am not one of them but understand why some people like the feature. CCP need to use MT to increase their revenue,to continue to grow their business and reduce risk to it by diversifying their portfolio of games. I don't know how much debt they are using to get their other investments off the ground but the interest on this needs to be paid .. they can't stand still.

My argument remains that they need to find a way to do this that satisfies both camps and I think that this is possible. I'd urge people to suggest solutions now, rather than raging.



Problem with suggesting things, is that CCP doesn't listen. how many threads over in the assembly hall have been outright ignored? (see MT thread)


I cannot say that you're wrong and they really should have talked with the CSM, or ex players who have gone to work at CCP. Short of cancelling your subscription your only other outlet is to voice your ideas, or to nag your CSM candidate to get his/her arse in gear. If I was on the CSM I'd be getting a joint statement organised to;

1. Seek clarification from CCP on the leaked document. Is it true or false?
2. Should it be true, please explain to the community in more detail what is intended and what is not and what considerations have been made in taking the current position.
3. Please ask the CSM to devote their next session to discussing ideas about MT and it's place in the game. They will seek the views of the player base, perhaps using an online survey tool and via in game mail.
4. Please publish milestones for these steps, so that player base can keep up with progress.

... that's a starter for 10.

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:15:00 - [2300]
 

Originally by: Sorcsha Voren
Here's an interesting look back at previous CCP posts.


http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg


note the dates. alot can change in a year it seems.


Happy Microtransaction-denial Anniversary

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:16:00 - [2301]
 

Originally by: ExcalibursTemplar
Originally by: Cedric deBouilard
Edited by: Cedric deBouilard on 23/06/2011 20:40:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc


PMSL is never a proper drama without a downfall parady


This is frickin hilarious!

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:18:00 - [2302]
 

Ok, before signing off for today, i just wanted to check where we are on the CHECKLIST:

[x] denial -> most are past that, a few hardcore dudes are still hoping
[o] anger -> ongoing still, keep it strong guys
[o] bargaining -> some are already here, hoping CCP will give in to the demands, canceling subs and waiting
[ ] depression -> nope, not yet, just a few gave up commenting already
[o] acceptance -> a portion of the playerbase already accepted, but never got through the 5 stages, so don't really count for the checklist

Ok, we have to keep the "anger" stage alive guys, go strong.

Illuminaty
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:19:00 - [2303]
 

Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Sorcsha Voren
Here's an interesting look back at previous CCP posts.


http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg


note the dates. alot can change in a year it seems.


Happy Microtransaction-denial Anniversary


Yea, a lot can change.

They can go from lying about it and no one being the wiser, and lying about it and being caught red handed.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:20:00 - [2304]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Ok, before signing off for today, i just wanted to check where we are on the CHECKLIST:

[x] denial -> most are past that, a few hardcore dudes are still hoping
[o] anger -> ongoing still, keep it strong guys
[o] bargaining -> some are already here, hoping CCP will give in to the demands, canceling subs and waiting
[ ] depression -> nope, not yet, just a few gave up commenting already
[o] acceptance -> a portion of the playerbase already accepted, but never got through the 5 stages, so don't really count for the checklist

Ok, we have to keep the "anger" stage alive guys, go strong.


I'm somewhere between bargaining (Maybe, just maybe they'll pull their heads out of their asses) and depression (no, we're screwed).

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:21:00 - [2305]
 

EvE is an amazing game aye? amiright?

So...a game.

lets take chess as a good example of a game. Even playing field. The only real deciding factor is skill.

Faceoff. Kasparov is beating me. I decide I dont like it. So I jump into the Challenger MKII I just bought with an out of chess game wallet (as an ex soldier I get a discount, but nonetheless...)

I won chess?

THIS, CCP, sums up why your game is no longer bucking the trend, why people will desert you till YOUR GAME IS A DESERT OF PLAYERS and why I will laugh from whatever non P2P+MT game is currently occupying me. Minecraft is pretty cool in a basic way.

Ill be on here till my subscription runs out but only for the breakdown lulz tbh. Youve sucked the fun out of this game, and is that not the ONLY true goal of a game? fun?

You dont even have the decency to respond to the people who, literally, PAY YOUR WAGES.

GG ccp, gg



Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:22:00 - [2306]
 


Duchess Starbuckington
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:24:00 - [2307]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Ok, before signing off for today, i just wanted to check where we are on the CHECKLIST:

[x] denial -> most are past that, a few hardcore dudes are still hoping
[o] anger -> ongoing still, keep it strong guys
[o] bargaining -> some are already here, hoping CCP will give in to the demands, canceling subs and waiting
[ ] depression -> nope, not yet, just a few gave up commenting already
[o] acceptance -> a portion of the playerbase already accepted, but never got through the 5 stages, so don't really count for the checklist

Ok, we have to keep the "anger" stage alive guys, go strong.


Well I'm seriously considering sub cancellation for the first time, umm, ever actually. Does that make me depression?

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:27:00 - [2308]
 

There are exactly five monocles on sale in Jita right now.

Five.

Count them.

Go on, you only need one hand.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:27:00 - [2309]
 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Ok, before signing off for today, i just wanted to check where we are on the CHECKLIST:

[x] denial -> most are past that, a few hardcore dudes are still hoping
[o] anger -> ongoing still, keep it strong guys
[o] bargaining -> some are already here, hoping CCP will give in to the demands, canceling subs and waiting
[ ] depression -> nope, not yet, just a few gave up commenting already
[o] acceptance -> a portion of the playerbase already accepted, but never got through the 5 stages, so don't really count for the checklist

Ok, we have to keep the "anger" stage alive guys, go strong.


Well I'm seriously considering sub cancellation for the first time, umm, ever actually. Does that make me depression?


Depends, quitting because you're trying to make a point or quitting because you've lost all hope?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:28:00 - [2310]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
There are exactly five monocles on sale in Jita right now.

Five.

Count them.

Go on, you only need one hand.


That took how many PLEX out of circulation?

:)



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