Posted - 2011.06.23 23:58:00 - [2281]

 

Originally by: Quartex

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«fluff»

That's the point you see, microtransactions have the potential to give me a way of adapting and evolving using my real life currency. I can be better than someone who has paid the same sub as me but cannot afford to keep up with my real world wealth.

«fluff»

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SO your not playing a game with thousands of others, you´re indulging in a display of real life wealth in a battle of bling, you arrogant fk.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:00:00 - [2283]

 

Originally by: CCP

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We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way."

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Gotcha.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:00:00 - [2285]

 

Looks like the Incarna Trailer was leaked..........

Leaked Original Incarna Trailer

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:01:00 - [2287]

 

Originally by: Miilla

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Originally by: Liang Nuren

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Originally by: Miilla

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If CCP didn't anticapte this kind of reaction, they really are out of touch.

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We are all collateral damage. CCP is expecting to lose some accounts over this.

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So, has anybody calculated how many accounts they can lose before they start to feel it?

WHat is the incomming rate of new customers, what is the churn rate and so on?

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If you use 45,000 people online at any given time and each person is really $15.00 then at any given second there is $675,000 real money online. Doing some magic caluclations I'd wager their income is something around 33,000 real money per second or so. I dont know what their costs are.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:03:00 - [2289]

 

Originally by: Quartex

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Some of the player base will enjoy being able to use MT's to enhance their gameplay. I am not one of them but understand why some people like the feature. CCP need to use MT to increase their revenue,to continue to grow their business and reduce risk to it by diversifying their portfolio of games. I don't know how much debt they are using to get their other investments off the ground but the interest on this needs to be paid .. they can't stand still.

My argument remains that they need to find a way to do this that satisfies both camps and I think that this is possible. I'd urge people to suggest solutions now, rather than raging.

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Problem with suggesting things, is that CCP doesn't listen. how many threads over in the assembly hall have been outright ignored? (see MT thread)

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:04:00 - [2291]

 

Originally by: Brainless Bimbo

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Originally by: Quartex

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«fluff»

That's the point you see, microtransactions have the potential to give me a way of adapting and evolving using my real life currency. I can be better than someone who has paid the same sub as me but cannot afford to keep up with my real world wealth.

«fluff»

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SO your not playing a game with thousands of others, you´re indulging in a display of real life wealth in a battle of bling, you arrogant fk.

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I didn't mean "me" and perhaps neither do you ;-) My intention was to illustrate a position that one might take. Take a deep breath fella.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:09:00 - [2293]

 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

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Originally by: Helicity Boson

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Everything has been said really. The game is over.

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The cards are on the table, I don't think there is any meaningful response CCP could come up with other than doing a 180° turn on their strategical direction (and that won't happen).

CCP has tried to fund three games with the revenue of one game - when this proved to be impossible they had to gamble on changing their single cash cow's business model in order to extract more revenue. That's not fearless, it is desperate.

I guess there exist funding agreements with VCs and banks concerning DUST and WoD that would make scrapping or significantly delaying either of these projects impossible. And at least in the case of DUST the sunk cost is probably high enough to justify completing this project no matter how successful it can be expected to be on the market.

EVE still has a lot of momentum - even if it bleeds a few thousand accounts per month it will stay alive for a very long time. In any case it will live long enough to provide DUST with gameplay content for the 6-18 months you can expect a console title to last and to finance the bridge to WoD.

The sad reality is that "nobody wants to buy a monocle for 60$" paves the road for more aggressive MT items/services - there's little choice but to vary the product palette (and pricing) until people start to buy and we all know that there are some MT items that would see huge uptake simply due to the pvp nature of the game (even if they might be unpopular on the forums).

A new game without the legacy cruft, a new audience without the bittervets, a new business model without the sense of entitlement brought by subscriptions, ... if you had to choose between slowly sacrificing EVE to get WoD and instantly sacrificing WoD for a stagnating EVE, what would your choice be?

And there is still the "hope" scenario - hope that MTs will see some serious uptake before CCP has to switch to gameplay affecting offers, hope that DUST will be a success and live for many expansions, hope that CCP will be able to retain its talent through the critical next 1-1.5 years, hope that the huge gamble pays off and that CCP will emerge with three successful games.

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I completely agree with your analysis. This thread has me nodding along with Jade Contantine AND draketrain, a previously unimaginable feat.

What I wish is that CCP would just sell EVE instead of going down this road. That might stop all real development for EVE, but at least it would stay alive and wouldn't get worse.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:10:00 - [2295]

 

Originally by: Fighter26

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Edited by: Fighter26 on 23/06/2011 21:56:22
I checked out the pdf... it looks legit BUT WHERE ARE PAGES 2 and 3? I don't like evidence being withheld! PDF Goes Front cover >> page 4 and 5 (look at botom right corner.)

WHERE ARE THE MISSING PAGES 2 AND 3?

-Fighter

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The unedited one is available - look around a bit. 13 pages in the document view. The front and back cover are single pages, and the rest are two pages in one.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:13:00 - [2297]

 

Originally by: Illuminaty

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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

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A new game without the legacy cruft, a new audience without the bittervets, a new business model without the sense of entitlement brought by subscriptions, ... if you had to choose between slowly sacrificing EVE to get WoD and instantly sacrificing WoD for a stagnating EVE, what would your choice be?

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The problem is that WoD can flop. Dropping a bird in the hand to chase two in the bush is dumb, because you can end up with neither. Especially if WoD ends up too close to WoW and gets crushed.

The proper call is kill WoD if you have to make a choice and retreat to your fallback position and try again later.

Anyone who ever played EVE ought to know that selling your battle cruiser to buy your first uninsured battleship and then running off to get rich running level 4s is going to end in tears.

Also, you definitely don't undermine your workhorse sci-fi based MMO during the lead-up to something like SWTOR.

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I agree with this as well. However, keep in mind this same (full) release of the magazine reveals that WOD isn't even in the serious game design stage (!!)

So, basically, CCP is doomed. And they're going to drag EVE down with them.

I really hope I'm wrong about this, but I'm not banking on it.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:15:00 - [2299]

 

Originally by: Token Afrodude

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Originally by: Quartex

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Some of the player base will enjoy being able to use MT's to enhance their gameplay. I am not one of them but understand why some people like the feature. CCP need to use MT to increase their revenue,to continue to grow their business and reduce risk to it by diversifying their portfolio of games. I don't know how much debt they are using to get their other investments off the ground but the interest on this needs to be paid .. they can't stand still.

My argument remains that they need to find a way to do this that satisfies both camps and I think that this is possible. I'd urge people to suggest solutions now, rather than raging.

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Problem with suggesting things, is that CCP doesn't listen. how many threads over in the assembly hall have been outright ignored? (see MT thread)

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I cannot say that you're wrong and they really should have talked with the CSM, or ex players who have gone to work at CCP. Short of cancelling your subscription your only other outlet is to voice your ideas, or to nag your CSM candidate to get his/her arse in gear. If I was on the CSM I'd be getting a joint statement organised to;

1. Seek clarification from CCP on the leaked document. Is it true or false?
2. Should it be true, please explain to the community in more detail what is intended and what is not and what considerations have been made in taking the current position.
3. Please ask the CSM to devote their next session to discussing ideas about MT and it's place in the game. They will seek the views of the player base, perhaps using an online survey tool and via in game mail.
4. Please publish milestones for these steps, so that player base can keep up with progress.

... that's a starter for 10.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:16:00 - [2301]

 

Originally by: ExcalibursTemplar

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Originally by: Cedric deBouilard

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Edited by: Cedric deBouilard on 23/06/2011 20:40:47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4YHvtEJgBc

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PMSL is never a proper drama without a downfall parady

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This is frickin hilarious!

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:19:00 - [2303]

 

Originally by: Carmine Lady

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Originally by: Sorcsha Voren

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Here's an interesting look back at previous CCP posts.


http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg

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note the dates. alot can change in a year it seems.


Happy Microtransaction-denial Anniversary

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Yea, a lot can change.

They can go from lying about it and no one being the wiser, and lying about it and being caught red handed.

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:21:00 - [2305]

 

EvE is an amazing game aye? amiright?

So...a game.

lets take chess as a good example of a game. Even playing field. The only real deciding factor is skill.

Faceoff. Kasparov is beating me. I decide I dont like it. So I jump into the Challenger MKII I just bought with an out of chess game wallet (as an ex soldier I get a discount, but nonetheless...)

I won chess?

THIS, CCP, sums up why your game is no longer bucking the trend, why people will desert you till YOUR GAME IS A DESERT OF PLAYERS and why I will laugh from whatever non P2P+MT game is currently occupying me. Minecraft is pretty cool in a basic way.

Ill be on here till my subscription runs out but only for the breakdown lulz tbh. Youve sucked the fun out of this game, and is that not the ONLY true goal of a game? fun?

You dont even have the decency to respond to the people who, literally, PAY YOUR WAGES.

GG ccp, gg

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:24:00 - [2307]

 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Ok, before signing off for today, i just wanted to check where we are on the CHECKLIST:

[x] denial -> most are past that, a few hardcore dudes are still hoping
[o] anger -> ongoing still, keep it strong guys
[o] bargaining -> some are already here, hoping CCP will give in to the demands, canceling subs and waiting
[ ] depression -> nope, not yet, just a few gave up commenting already
[o] acceptance -> a portion of the playerbase already accepted, but never got through the 5 stages, so don't really count for the checklist

Ok, we have to keep the "anger" stage alive guys, go strong.

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Well I'm seriously considering sub cancellation for the first time, umm, ever actually. Does that make me depression?

Posted - 2011.06.24 00:27:00 - [2309]

 

Originally by: Duchess Starbuckington

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Ok, before signing off for today, i just wanted to check where we are on the CHECKLIST:

[x] denial -> most are past that, a few hardcore dudes are still hoping
[o] anger -> ongoing still, keep it strong guys
[o] bargaining -> some are already here, hoping CCP will give in to the demands, canceling subs and waiting
[ ] depression -> nope, not yet, just a few gave up commenting already
[o] acceptance -> a portion of the playerbase already accepted, but never got through the 5 stages, so don't really count for the checklist

Ok, we have to keep the "anger" stage alive guys, go strong.

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Well I'm seriously considering sub cancellation for the first time, umm, ever actually. Does that make me depression?

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Depends, quitting because you're trying to make a point or quitting because you've lost all hope?