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Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:54:00 - [2191]
 

Originally by: Nimbat
Have anyone translated and sent this to the russian population in eve? I'm sure they'd like to hear what's going on aswell.

Brilliant idea. Anyone know Russian? Let's get that PDF translated and distributed.

raker
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:55:00 - [2192]
 

Edited by: raker on 23/06/2011 22:55:55
The silence from ccp is deafening, they havent repled at all

Surely its time they came out from under the desk and made a statement, CCP not responding is adding fuel to the fire

We all now know that the noble exchange is a cash cow, I mean the prices are way off, and lets face it, no one can see your flash clothes , execpt yourself in a mirror

Youve got it wrong CCP, its time to put your hands up, and inform us of your intentions to sort this mess out

get back to basics's this is eve online, not the Sims


Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:58:00 - [2193]
 

Edited by: Token Afrodude on 23/06/2011 22:57:57
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Illwill Bill
That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.Sad


for anyone too young to have been there when Trinity came out.

WATCH THIS



really makes you wonder wtf happened Sad

Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:59:00 - [2194]
 

Originally by: Token Afrodude
Edited by: Token Afrodude on 23/06/2011 22:57:57
Originally by: Velicitia
Originally by: Illwill Bill
That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.Sad


for anyone too young to have been there when Trinity came out.

WATCH THIS



really makes you wonder wtf happened Sad


I wasn't there but I think the graphics engine got a big upgrade which you can see in some of the videos where they show the old ship transitioned to the new ship. Did I get that right vets?

Illuminaty
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:59:00 - [2195]
 

Originally by: Don Pellegrino


Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone.

Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”? How long till we pay aurum for extra corp standing slots? For wardec options? For a usable corp management screen?

3. And who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather have engine trials and flashy cyno effect for all players rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store for a fleeced few?

Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

So here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.



Yea, it is the blatant cannibalization that scares me. If you kill a healthy host there is a lot of meat to feast on until there is nothing but bones left. Blind greed is not good.

Caladan Broood
Posted - 2011.06.23 22:59:00 - [2196]
 

Um the Russians will sure love and support CCP. Their botting revenue will skyrocket selling and buying NEX items and currency. The Russians are never your friends.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:00:00 - [2197]
 

Originally by: Caladan Broood
Um the Russians will sure love and support CCP. Their botting revenue will skyrocket selling and buying NEX items and currency. The Russians are never your friends.


No time for xenophobia ***got. gtfo

Hra Neuvosto
The 8th Order
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:00:00 - [2198]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.Sad

Incarna didn't even have a trailer :(

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:01:00 - [2199]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 23:02:21

Originally by: Caladan Broood
Um the Russians will sure love and support CCP. Their botting revenue will skyrocket selling and buying NEX items and currency. The Russians are never your friends.


There already is a NEX store EXPLOIT

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534988

Royaldo
Gallente
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:01:00 - [2200]
 

is this where i x up now?

see the nc died, and im kinda lost..


Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:02:00 - [2201]
 

I'm honestly still wondering why there has been no proper response from CCP about this.
They must be either scrambling to meet up and decide which direction to go from here. Or they are simply ignoring it (which would be the worst thing they could do).

I guess i'll see in the morning.

Obicula Oris
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:02:00 - [2202]
 

The day this aurum rubbish starts to impact Gameplay, will be the beginning of the end of EVE. If CCP can't see this happening, they are incredibly short sighted. Sad to see such mental excrement from the makers of the game we love so much.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:03:00 - [2203]
 

I love how everyone points out the spelling errors and says "fake!"

ok I'm off to go do a mission that pays "Fifteen hundred thousand isk" Rolling Eyes

Lord Cath
Amarr
Gung-Ho
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:04:00 - [2204]
 

Originally by: Hyperforce99
I'm honestly still wondering why there has been no proper response from CCP about this.
They must be either scrambling to meet up and decide which direction to go from here. Or they are simply ignoring it (which would be the worst thing they could do).

I guess i'll see in the morning.


dont get your hopes up tbh

Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:05:00 - [2205]
 

Originally by: daddys helper
I love how everyone points out the spelling errors and says "fake!"

ok I'm off to go do a mission that pays "Fifteen hundred thousand isk" Rolling Eyes



QFT

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:05:00 - [2206]
 

**** it, I'm gonna go play Dragon Age. I fully expect there to be no response when I return.

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:06:00 - [2207]
 

Originally by: daddys helper
I love how everyone points out the spelling errors and says "fake!"

ok I'm off to go do a mission that pays "Fifteen hundred thousand isk" Rolling Eyes


lol

Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:06:00 - [2208]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
I fully expect there to be no response when I return.

Why do you do this to yourself.

Daray Greerr
Gallente
Mort's Navy
Mort's Empire
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:06:00 - [2209]
 

Originally by: Jonny Utrigas
Originally by: Erichan
yeah there is no more doubt that its real, just what to do about it...

People seem to fall into a few camps:

1)don't care--carry on
2)unsub but waiting to see what CCP says
3)those unsubbed waiting to microwave their toons
4)the silent many who have already left

I'm in camp 2 atm :/


There's a 5th.
Those that are still subbed and awaiting some action or inaction from CCP before they ragequit.


I'm in that one. Not reacting too rashly. Waiting to see what happens with some hope. If it gets to the point of non-vanity AUR items, I might leave. Even if people can just buy plex, sell them, and buy anything they want anyway. Most upset at the complete unjustifiable NeX prices.

Reilly Duvolle
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:06:00 - [2210]
 

You know, CCP has for the last years grown exponentially, devloping DUST514, World of Darkness and probably also funding projects that are not even public yet. Huge sums of money has been pumped into these endeveaurs.

In this whole time - and for at least a whole more year to come - their sole point of revenue has been and is EVE Online. The EVE Online community - US - has allowed them to do these things. We surely are their customers. But in the current state of affairs, the EVE Online playerbase is also CCPs de-facto employers. WE pay their salaries. WE fund their projects. And WE decide wheter we want to stay or take our money elsewhere.

So CCP - a word of caution. You are walking on a very narrow path right now. There ARE limits to how much bull**** from you us players will take before moving on. And if you travel down that road that are indicated in your internal magazine, chances are the the EVE Online playerbase will burn your whole damn company to the ground.

Tachibana Kanade
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:07:00 - [2211]
 

CCP is either in complete breakdown ( LOL? ) or laughing their asses off.

THey just hid themselves in the closet waiting for the fire to extinguish ( which it will eventually )

After that, we can expect the new game changing updates to NeX, And another buttload of ragequit.

Rinse repeat.

???

Profit

Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:07:00 - [2212]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
**** it, I'm gonna go play Dragon Age. I fully expect there to be no response when I return.




response? we trashed CCP's tank and got the pod quite a few pages back.


LaughingLaughingTwisted Evil

Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:08:00 - [2213]
 

Originally by: Technovar
Originally by: Quartex
I hope this is just about an excitable guy in marketing sharing their great ideas to create revenue. Every big company has them. Those drawing the big pay cheques then knock the edges of the ideas off and smooth the brighter thinking into potential policy.

It makes sense to seek new revenue streams for the game and innovation really isn't a bad thing and should be encouraged.

The danger in the thinking that this "memo" espouses and the early signs of it's similarity to the direction of travel evidenced by Incarna is that we are moving away from the sandbox.

Once you start allowing people to pay for priviledge and power in the game you have fundamentally changed it's appeal and the risk and reward balance. It's OK to allow meta gaming and its always been there, RMT goes beyond the pale and the thought that RMT could pay for power and space would sound like a death knell across New Eden.

Leave vanity purchases in. Anything that does not affect gameplay can be paid for, make that your mantra and let loose the innovative minds of the CCP team. You want an orange ship, well it'll cost you, you can have a monocle too if you'd like and gunless luxury yacht that everyone knows cost you a small fortune.

Dust is new, Dust is the place to go beyond the sandbox but don't kill your cash cow. If that memo is true then you have a lot of persuading to do and marketing to bring in the people who will pay for it's ideas, if it isn't then you have a lot of explaining to do to calm people down.




"Excitable guy in marketing?" It's CCP Soundwave. Lead Designer.

Quote:
I would like virtual goods sales in EVE. In fact, I’d like to sell a lot more than vanity items.



Sorry you are right, I had not read the article but understood the argument, as it's a hallowed one in gaming right now (aka Farmville . check their designers revenue, CCP will have done).

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:08:00 - [2214]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 23:10:37


Everytime I open my character WALLET in Eve now, I just get confirmation of the stupid decisions CCP makes.

FFS what idiot thinks putting the balance on the RIGHT side is a good idea?

My market window covers the damn balance now. (PS: you can keep the "highlighted" AUR balance on the right though because it always says ZERO)



And yeah No NEW VIDEO for Incarna in the logon. That shows how much they really give a damn about Incarna.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:10:00 - [2215]
 

Originally by: Hra Neuvosto
Originally by: Illwill Bill
That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.Sad

Incarna didn't even have a trailer :(


Found it. Here

Erichan
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:10:00 - [2216]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 23:09:25

Everytime I open my character WALLET in Eve now, I just get confirmation of the stupid decisions CCP makes.

FFS what idiot thinks putting the balance on the RIGHT side is a good idea?

My market window covers the damn balance now. (PS: you can keep the "highlighted" AUR balance on the right though because it always says ZERO)




I think there is a proposal to put Aurum on the opposite of the wallet from isk.

Eladaris
Amarr
Excessum Industries
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:11:00 - [2217]
 

Originally by: Hyperforce99
I'm honestly still wondering why there has been no proper response from CCP about this.
They must be either scrambling to meet up and decide which direction to go from here. Or they are simply ignoring it (which would be the worst thing they could do).

I guess i'll see in the morning.


What response could there be? It's already been fairly solidly confirmed that it's not a fake. And since the lowest of low CCP peon's could have popped in at page 7 and said "Hey, I've got that issue of Fearless right in front of me, that's a total scam". and stopped this 70+ pages and a thousand cancelled accounts early.

This is the future vision CCP hasn't been willing to show the player base. Last I checked companies don't produce insider newspapers that AREN'T 100% in line with the company future vision.

Personally having SEEN this issue, I'd really love to know what some of the earlier ones looked like. Wonder how many times the former CSM members had to put the NDA blindfolds on when discussing the 'future' of Eve.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:13:00 - [2218]
 

Originally by: Hra Neuvosto
Originally by: Illwill Bill
That Trinity trailer sure brought back memories.Sad

Incarna didn't even have a trailer :(


What about this?

These are the things that made me join EvE.
That intangible feeling of being one in a million, yet fundamental.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:13:00 - [2219]
 

Originally by: Eladaris
Originally by: Hyperforce99
I'm honestly still wondering why there has been no proper response from CCP about this.
They must be either scrambling to meet up and decide which direction to go from here. Or they are simply ignoring it (which would be the worst thing they could do).

I guess i'll see in the morning.


What response could there be? It's already been fairly solidly confirmed that it's not a fake. And since the lowest of low CCP peon's could have popped in at page 7 and said "Hey, I've got that issue of Fearless right in front of me, that's a total scam". and stopped this 70+ pages and a thousand cancelled accounts early.

This is the future vision CCP hasn't been willing to show the player base. Last I checked companies don't produce insider newspapers that AREN'T 100% in line with the company future vision.

Personally having SEEN this issue, I'd really love to know what some of the earlier ones looked like. Wonder how many times the former CSM members had to put the NDA blindfolds on when discussing the 'future' of Eve.




We should get some CSM members that can read braille for all these blindfolds they wear while reading those newsletters in their meetings.


Maximus Trollus
Amarr
The Village Idiots
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:13:00 - [2220]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 23:10:37


Everytime I open my character WALLET in Eve now, I just get confirmation of the stupid decisions CCP makes.

FFS what idiot thinks putting the balance on the RIGHT side is a good idea?

My market window covers the damn balance now. (PS: you can keep the "highlighted" AUR balance on the right though because it always says ZERO)



And yeah No NEW VIDEO for Incarna in the logon. That shows how much they really give a damn about Incarna.


every time I refresh this thread there are three new posts made by you, in which you say absolutely nothing at all...


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