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Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:28:00 - [181]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 22:29:47


Let's not forget this point..

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534552&page=4#101

If you happen to be economically challenged or just donít trust the PlayStation Network with your credit card details, you can trade ISK with other players for some real money currency, just like you can with PLEX today. You can also do the opposite and exchange purchased realmoney currency for ISK, too.

Both work for us as long as money is being spent.


In reading that they want to complete the money life cycle and allow us to take currency OUT of the game?

That is their way to gain acceptance..

However the gameplay impacting purchases are a sickening.


Basically, ENTROPIA but allowing money to flow out?



Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:28:00 - [182]
 

Dear CCP:

My five accounts, and a relatively popular blog at http://mylootyourtears.com are in jeopardy because of this issue and the $99 developer licenses. Tread carefully.

-Paul Clavet

Lord Cath
Amarr
Gung-Ho
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:30:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Cyber Duck


what have you done to our game ccp? OUR GAME! WE PAY YOUR ****ING WAGES!!!



Well basically it's still their game, but the part of them being nowhere without our money is indeed very true. We paid for everything they have... but ignoring their playerbase is a growing trend with CCP it seems. Man, feels like I'm full of rage right now

I started playing this game and kept playing it because it was different, not because it was a clone of everything else!!!

As has been said before, sad is the day when concidering a WoW account isn't even half bad

Max Cooper
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:30:00 - [184]
 

I do hope this is a troll. I really really do.

Caladan Broood
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 - [185]
 

I wanted to post this as someone asked. Meta data from the document shows some hard work went into its creation.

It was initially created 4/14/11 at 12:56 in Adobe InDesign 7.0. It had 414 revision saves. The last main save was 5/20/11 at 15:47 using Adobe InDesign 7.0. No Author information.

Aina O'Sinnor
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:31:00 - [186]
 

This saddens the **** out of me. I was looking forward, now I am stuck. I won't quit yet. If there is money to make, they'll go for it.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:32:00 - [187]
 

subscription cancelled.

Don't worry about my stuff, I'm sure CCP will sell it to you for AUR.

I am really depressed about this now.

AG

TedStriker
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:32:00 - [188]
 

Money and power corrupts, always. Thx for proving that point again, CCP.

And no, greed lead to the many financial crashes, the exploitation and alot of other nasty stuff on this planet, GREED IS NOT GOOD, except for the few on the winning side. And they have to hire bodyguards and lock themselves in, usually.

Maximus Trollus
Amarr
The Village Idiots
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:33:00 - [189]
 

Originally by: Medidranda Livoga
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 22:20:57
Originally by: Medidranda Livoga
I`d be ok with microtransaction model if no subscription was required for basic game access. You could sell "premium" account with double training speed or something too... Twisted Evil


No thanks.

I would rather subscribe, I can budget for a subscription, with MT's you cannot budget this as easily as it is "impulse" driven or driven by the "desire to keep up or win".

I know what I spend with a subscription. MT is too big a risk financially as a customer.



That`s your own personal problem. I have no complaints if you want to give even more money to CCP that you already do.


doesn't matter much buddy, you're outnumbered anyway...

ExcalibursTemplar
Caldari
Citadel Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:33:00 - [190]
 

Well im glad i canceled my subscription this morning as this has really been the worst expansion ever.

F#ck you CCP i hope someone strings you up by the balls with piano wire you c#nts

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:34:00 - [191]
 

Edited by: leth ghost on 22/06/2011 22:35:57
Originally by: Caladan Broood
I wanted to post this as someone asked. Meta data from the document shows some hard work went into its creation.

It was initially created 4/14/11 at 12:56 in Adobe InDesign 7.0. It had 414 revision saves. The last main save was 5/20/11 at 15:47 using Adobe InDesign 7.0. No Author information.


well if this is true i dont think its a hoax then

and the files getting around now being shared on twitter ccp must be holding there head in there hands

Makko Gray
Pheno-Tech Industries
Crimson Wings.
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:35:00 - [192]
 

Edited by: Makko Gray on 22/06/2011 22:40:46
ShockedNeutralSad

Think I prefered EVE when it was just LulzSec trying to **** it.

Personally I find the best way to manage my spending is a simple monthly subscription - not some rediculous Easyjet style pricing:

'Oh hello sir I see you've bought our game. You want to log in, oh well that'll be an extra $5.'
'Ah I see now you'd like to undock, that'd be an extra $10...

Howdy Kitty
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:35:00 - [193]
 

Originally by: Caladan Broood
I wanted to post this as someone asked. Meta data from the document shows some hard work went into its creation.

It was initially created 4/14/11 at 12:56 in Adobe InDesign 7.0. It had 414 revision saves. The last main save was 5/20/11 at 15:47 using Adobe InDesign 7.0. No Author information.


interesting, gotta love the PDF/A standard and metadata.
*conspiracy theory - the author, when faking this, changed her system date

Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:35:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Borun Tal on 22/06/2011 22:35:46
Originally by: Jo Blot
Edited by: Jo Blot on 22/06/2011 22:03:26
Some things that can be sold to players:

- Fast-track upgrades that install first time


A good QA department can ensure that the software installs on least-common denominator systems. To ask for "install first time" is just silly, unless every subscriber uses the same computer on the same OS with the same configuration.

Originally by: Jo Blot
- Downtime compensation insurance
- CCP-appoved custom bots, made to order for high net worth clients.
- Level-Up! Skill point sales to be introduced ASAP.
- Scam protection.




That's just silly.

Originally by: Jo Blot
- Real-time market data feeds


That would be good for developers, but then you get into the Twitter problem: database queries, speed of updating disconnected recordsets, BANDWIDTH OPTIMIZATION. Real-time feeds are awesome in theory; unfortunately in most consumer situations it's completely unrealistic.

Originally by: Jo Blot
- Energy Trading: Allow players to configure their defences to automatically purchase extra sheilds whenever they go into armoue.


What? So, basically, everyone can buy whatever armor/shield/ammo they need AS THEY NEED it, in any situation. You didn't really think this one out, didja?

Originally by: Jo Blot
- Idiot-free, fact-checked forums (alas, unavailable at any price)


Welcome to teh Intarwebz... Laughing

Originally by: Jo Blot
- Alt-discovery agents. In-space agents that will divulge the identies of other player's alts in exchange for RL cash.


What, exactly, is an "alt" to my toon Borun Tal? Alt?? Alt what? What are you talking about? Ah, I see, you want to enable griefing on a personal level, not on a game level. Yeah, that's awesome. Maybe indemnify all subscribers from local, state, and national stalking laws, too?

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:35:00 - [195]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 22:29:47


Let's not forget this point..

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534552&page=4#101

If you happen to be economically challenged or just donít trust the PlayStation Network with your credit card details, you can trade ISK with other players for some real money currency, just like you can with PLEX today. You can also do the opposite and exchange purchased realmoney currency for ISK, too.

Both work for us as long as money is being spent.


In reading that they want to complete the money life cycle and allow us to take currency OUT of the game?

That is their way to gain acceptance..

However the gameplay impacting purchases are a sickening.


Basically, ENTROPIA but allowing money to flow out?





Allowing money to flow out would put them under various nations banking and gambling laws. Not going to happen. It's just a lazily worded paragraph. I think they mean buying PLEX or equivalent with real money in DUST.

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:35:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Mahnmut Orphu

Before I get off my soapbox I'd like to add that I am a new EVE player, and I think this game is F***kin' awesome. It is the negative point of view that so many players are taking that disturbs me. I do not know the game's history as well as most players, but all I can say is that I severely hope that the reaction this forum has had to Incarna is an overreaction, and not an indication that CCP is jumping on the bandwagon with certain other game developers that produce sensationalist BS. Also...Captain's Quarters are sweet but leave much more to be desired obviously. Noble Exchange wouldn't suck if there were missions that offered AURUM as a reward instead of ISK. That way I could earn the shnazzy vanity items through some aspect of the game that involves content. (Admittedly, I could grind until I saved enough ISK to buy a PLEX to split. But yeah...those prices.)

TL;DR - Reading is for suckers and microtransactions are awesome!





CCP have a long history of not delivering on promises and this expansion which has been hyped for 6 years at this point is just the straw that broke the camels back. Adding in a cash shop with what amounts to nothing more than a poorly coded tech demo has rightly ****ed a lot of us off. MT are against the spirit of the game to many veteran players and this leak goes to show just how right we were to be ****ed about the introduction of them at all. CCP will be more than happy to push non-vanity items through their cash shop for a buck and have lied to our faces about it. How was it worded in the pdf? Items of Power or some ****? Pathetic

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:36:00 - [197]
 

I take everything back that HYDRA did to embarass CCP.

Good job. CCP deserved to be embarassed for the joke that event was.


So, the whole "we'll give server side fittings" was just a ploy to provide an inconvenience under the guise of convenience to provide it as an RMT item?

Disgusting. I expect CCP will burn for this.






Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:36:00 - [198]
 

Originally by: Lord Cath
Originally by: Cyber Duck


what have you done to our game ccp? OUR GAME! WE PAY YOUR ****ING WAGES!!!



Well basically it's still their game, but the part of them being nowhere without our money is indeed very true. We paid for everything they have... but ignoring their playerbase is a growing trend with CCP it seems. Man, feels like I'm full of rage right now

I started playing this game and kept playing it because it was different, not because it was a clone of everything else!!!

As has been said before, sad is the day when concidering a WoW account isn't even half bad


Your sig, hurts my feelings and crashes my hopes ... Oh WOE IS ME!!! WHY CCP??? WHY????????

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:36:00 - [199]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 22:42:13

Originally by: Caladan Broood
I wanted to post this as someone asked. Meta data from the document shows some hard work went into its creation.

It was initially created 4/14/11 at 12:56 in Adobe InDesign 7.0. It had 414 revision saves. The last main save was 5/20/11 at 15:47 using Adobe InDesign 7.0. No Author information.


That is the US date format.

Just to note.


Is there any tracking / change behaviour that would verify 414 change saves?


stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:37:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 22/06/2011 22:38:29
Originally by: Mahnmut Orphu

Why not make an epic mission arc that offers these sorts of perks as rewards? I feel that as a customer, my "emotional attachment" would be impacted in a much more positive way if earning the extended storage involved more than opening up my wallet.


Some counter-arguments:
* Creating an epic arc just for more fitting space requires dev/art/writing resources.

* It's also a very specific quest which has the risk of being of limited appeal.

* It's a grind. Do you really want to have to run the same content on multiple characters to get the additional fitting space?


An alternative would be to let you buy the extra space with ISK (i.e. the ISK-Plex-Aurum cycle.) The advantages are:

* the market can place a better value on the extra space. (CCP doesn't have to worry about balancing the effort of the Epic Arc to match the rewards.)

* you can do things you like or that are more convenient for you to earn the ISK to buy the Plex to buy the Aurum to buy the space.

* no Dev/Art/Writing resources are required,

* those Dev/Art/Writing resources can instead create a more generic Epic Arc that appeals to a wider audience and not just the few people who need more than 50 fitting slots. Meaning, the players can use the isk from the generic Epic Arc to buy the MT items that they're interested in instead of a static reward of extra fitting slots.



Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:38:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

for heavens sake can somebody at ccp tell us this is a load of trolling nonsense please.



They could tell you that, but it wouldn't be true.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:40:00 - [202]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 22:41:14
Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 22:29:47


Let's not forget this point..

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1534552&page=4#101

If you happen to be economically challenged or just donít trust the PlayStation Network with your credit card details, you can trade ISK with other players for some real money currency, just like you can with PLEX today. You can also do the opposite and exchange purchased realmoney currency for ISK, too.

Both work for us as long as money is being spent.


In reading that they want to complete the money life cycle and allow us to take currency OUT of the game?

That is their way to gain acceptance..

However the gameplay impacting purchases are a sickening.


Basically, ENTROPIA but allowing money to flow out?





Allowing money to flow out would put them under various nations banking and gambling laws. Not going to happen. It's just a lazily worded paragraph. I think they mean buying PLEX or equivalent with real money in DUST.



Unless CCP are gona apply for Icelandic Bank status :)

PayPal became a bank in Luxembourg so the standard isnt high these days.


Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:41:00 - [203]
 

Its obviously fake.

the guy that runs that site is a Pink eye'd, neckbeard, journalism school dropout, that never leaves his basement.

Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:42:00 - [204]
 

Originally by: Bloodpetal

So, the whole "we'll give server side fittings" was just a ploy to provide an inconvenience under the guise of convenience to provide it as an RMT item?

Disgusting. I expect CCP will burn for this.



Nah, enough users will play this new stations and spaceships game. Probably more, in fact. Hardcore doesn't pay.

Caladan Broood
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:43:00 - [205]
 

Edited by: Caladan Broood on 22/06/2011 22:44:55
Anyone who wants the entire meta dump to see if you can see other goodies here is the xmp file: http://www.2shared.com/file/mcUilKUc/ccp_bulletin.html

You can verify all the saves, that is all it tracks. I'm thinking someone kept pressing ctrl-s while working out of habit. But you can see the timeline for the creation process, the password was added 2 days ago, I'm assuming by the blog.

Cosmoes
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:43:00 - [206]
 

So anyone know a good MMO out there?

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:44:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Its obviously fake.

the guy that runs that site is a Pink eye'd, neckbeard, journalism school dropout, that never leaves his basement.
Brown-nose some more, haven't seen you defend CCP's incompetence enough yet today.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:44:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Pat Morrison
Originally by: Bloodpetal

So, the whole "we'll give server side fittings" was just a ploy to provide an inconvenience under the guise of convenience to provide it as an RMT item?

Disgusting. I expect CCP will burn for this.



Nah, enough users will play this new stations and spaceships game. Probably more, in fact. Hardcore doesn't pay.


Space / scifi genre is still very niche market, it is no where near as big a market as WoW is.

Never will be.

So CCP are banking on farming loyal emotional customers. Plain and simple.


Picard Facepalm
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:44:00 - [209]
 

For the second time in 24 hours, this is directed at CCP.

/facepalm

Lord Cath
Amarr
Gung-Ho
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:46:00 - [210]
 

Originally by: Brujo Loco
Originally by: Lord Cath
Originally by: Cyber Duck


what have you done to our game ccp? OUR GAME! WE PAY YOUR ****ING WAGES!!!



Well basically it's still their game, but the part of them being nowhere without our money is indeed very true. We paid for everything they have... but ignoring their playerbase is a growing trend with CCP it seems. Man, feels like I'm full of rage right now

I started playing this game and kept playing it because it was different, not because it was a clone of everything else!!!

As has been said before, sad is the day when concidering a WoW account isn't even half bad


Your sig, hurts my feelings and crashes my hopes ... Oh WOE IS ME!!! WHY CCP??? WHY????????


wow, I had show sigs turned off for quite some time didn't even know I still had that one in there. Pretty ironic in these times now that I come to think of it :s


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