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Pandadora
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:45:00 - [1621]
 

Originally by: Eliniale
(ow snap, i'm female as well. (is it possible for two females in eve to have children)



Sure, 3,99$

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:46:00 - [1622]
 

Originally by: Digital Messiah
This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it.


No they don't.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:48:00 - [1623]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Digital Messiah
This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it.


No they don't.


Oh wow, someone is still clinging to the white-knight "fake," story.

I'll never know how some people can be that gullable.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:49:00 - [1624]
 

Originally by: Sakura Zendragon

If this is as big of a cluster**** as it seems to be, I wouldn't be surprised they're still in the same all day long emergency-all-hands-on-deck management meeting trying to find a way to spin, mitigate, damage control, sweep under the rug, backpedal, fix or somehow get a grip...


It's worse then that. They haven't got past denial phase in their own heads.

Probably a phone call or two with "just *****in again, whatever"

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:50:00 - [1625]
 

Respect guys, page 55 already, and no answer yet, must be quite a fun ride at CCP offices atm.


Iulia Badr Marinela
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:50:00 - [1626]
 

Originally by: Audelyn Xiao
Originally by: Digital Messiah
This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it. No amount of creeping it in has worked either.


While it will have an effect on the supplier side of the market--depending on what CCP sells--six months ago I could spend my local currency and buy both an Thanatos and a pilot to sit in it, if I had so chosen. Clearly, money for non-vanity items has not killed every game that has ever tried it: this one.


You forgot that you can buy Aurum ships Soon (TM)!! Enjoy it!

Junkie Babe
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:51:00 - [1627]
 

I dont mind pay for extras or pay per month, EVE has a server and they need money for maintaince/development however I wont pay both and please bear in mind CCP that SWTOR is out in a few months.

EVE is a amazing game and is built not around pvp like many think but around it's market, pvp is the main mechanic for removing items from the game aka removing isk and at the same time increasing demand as the dead guys needs new ship etc.

The market is a huge part of EVE and having MT to buy in-game items would have a disastrous effect on the market, it would reduce demand for market goods which means ships/mods will be worth less and right down the line everyone makes less credits, as the minerals/ores they are made from will be worth less.

If they plan on selling elite items that cant be made in game T4 that would be terrible as it would make 2 tiers of players those with more cash and those with less, which is ok in something in Dark orbit but in that game you aren't paying subs, expecting us to pay both subs and MT to remain competitive is a step too far.

Is this report fake or real?

If its real was it released to test the waters with the playerbase?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:52:00 - [1628]
 

Originally by: Iulia Badr Marinela
Originally by: Audelyn Xiao
Originally by: Digital Messiah
This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it. No amount of creeping it in has worked either.


While it will have an effect on the supplier side of the market--depending on what CCP sells--six months ago I could spend my local currency and buy both an Thanatos and a pilot to sit in it, if I had so chosen. Clearly, money for non-vanity items has not killed every game that has ever tried it: this one.


You forgot that you can buy Aurum ships Soon (TM)!! Enjoy it!


Acutally you just submit your current ship and BUY THE PAINTWORK.

TrueCoat™ (google it :) )

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:52:00 - [1629]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Good, so if we cancel they get insta deleted?



Not insta-delete but they have vocalised that they may one day have to delete old ones.
Can't remember where, fanfest video or something about databases.

Either way there is zero "digital legacy" policy or any kind of commitment to maintain the character data.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:52:00 - [1630]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Digital Messiah
This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it.


No they don't.

Oh wow, someone is still clinging to the white-knight "fake," story.

I'll never know how some people can be that gullable.


No, he's saying they don't (know money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it.). In other words, he's essentially saying greed has blinded them.

Heck, I even upgraded my sig to the effect. :)

MrSteack
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:53:00 - [1631]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


+1

Jennifer Nardieu
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:53:00 - [1632]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Nardieu on 23/06/2011 17:53:43
I would love for this to be the meta-game to end all metagaming.

Goons / Test releasing realistic propaganda and information to the press, causing the max exodus of subscribed accounts.

It'd be a beautiful thing and they really will have "won" EVE.

However what I fear is that it's all too true.

Do not go gently into that good night... for CCP will bend you over and have their way with you.

HoboWithAShip
They That Are
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:53:00 - [1633]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Respect guys, page 55 already, and no answer yet, must be quite a fun ride at CCP offices atm.




You've gotta be sh**ting me, right?

I went to sleep, knowing that CCP would have at least released something by the time I got up. You're telling me that they haven't said ANYTHING?!

What the ****.

Sakura Zendragon
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:54:00 - [1634]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Sakura Zendragon

If this is as big of a cluster**** as it seems to be, I wouldn't be surprised they're still in the same all day long emergency-all-hands-on-deck management meeting trying to find a way to spin, mitigate, damage control, sweep under the rug, backpedal, fix or somehow get a grip...


It's worse then that. They haven't got past denial phase in their own heads.

Probably a phone call or two with "just *****in again, whatever"


IMHO, if they were in denial, we'd probably have gotten some lame devblog already about how they are just "throwing ideas around", "having a rich internal exchange of ideas", "nothing is set in stone" or something to that effect, thinking that would pacify things.

But then again, maybe I'm just hoping they actually have **** themselves over this and might actually come to their senses...

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:54:00 - [1635]
 

Originally by: Junkie Babe
I dont mind pay for extras or pay per month, EVE has a server and they need money for maintaince/development however I wont pay both and please bear in mind CCP that SWTOR is out in a few months.

EVE is a amazing game and is built not around pvp like many think but around it's market, pvp is the main mechanic for removing items from the game aka removing isk and at the same time increasing demand as the dead guys needs new ship etc.

The market is a huge part of EVE and having MT to buy in-game items would have a disastrous effect on the market, it would reduce demand for market goods which means ships/mods will be worth less and right down the line everyone makes less credits, as the minerals/ores they are made from will be worth less.

If they plan on selling elite items that cant be made in game T4 that would be terrible as it would make 2 tiers of players those with more cash and those with less, which is ok in something in Dark orbit but in that game you aren't paying subs, expecting us to pay both subs and MT to remain competitive is a step too far.

Is this report fake or real?

If its real was it released to test the waters with the playerbase?


You don't understand, the MT stuff is NOT to fund the EVE CLUSTER.

It is to FUND their WoD and DUST products and every other product , THAT IS NOT EVE.


Face it, we have all just been Monacled™ by CCP.



Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:56:00 - [1636]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 17:57:41
meh I still don't want to log on

Sanya Lyss
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:56:00 - [1637]
 

Still no answer from CCP ?

Oh they wont bother probably, we customers are cattle for them that should be milked after all Razz

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:57:00 - [1638]
 

it would be great if ccp just came out with


U MAD

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:57:00 - [1639]
 

Originally by: Miilla



Face it, we have all just been Monacled™ by CCP.





Always fun to witness the day a new meme is born.

Captain Alcatraz
Heretic Academy
B A N E
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:57:00 - [1640]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
Originally by: Digital Messiah
This is fake, CCP knows as well as we do money for non vanity items has killed every game that has ever tried it.


No they don't.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:58:00 - [1641]
 

Originally by: Sanya Lyss
Oh they wont bother probably, we customers are cattle for them that should be milked after all Razz


Mooooooooooooo

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:58:00 - [1642]
 

Originally by: Sanya Lyss
Still no answer from CCP ?

Oh they wont bother probably, we customers are cattle for them that should be milked after all Razz

Even a cow has to be fed every once in a while. Best not forget that, CCP.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:58:00 - [1643]
 

Most likely they're still hoping that this fire will die out, and if they respond it'll be like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
What has me wondering is, why haven't they responded to any of the articles written on the what? 10 different gaming websites?
On a side note I think this is the single largest threadnaught on the EVE forums.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:59:00 - [1644]
 

Edited by: Tea Ester Elliot on 23/06/2011 17:59:37
The door, it has a purpose!

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:59:00 - [1645]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 23/06/2011 18:01:12
Originally by: Sakura Zendragon

IMHO, if they were in denial, we'd probably have gotten some lame devblog already about how they are just "throwing ideas around"


No no.... I mean in denial like a mother who just lost her child. Silent. Shocked. Unable to process thoughts.

Complete and total breakdown.

edit: JADE! give me a word for it :-)

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:59:00 - [1646]
 

Originally by: Jonny Utrigas
Most likely they're still hoping that this fire will die out, and if they respond it'll be like trying to put out a fire with gasoline.
What has me wondering is, why haven't they responded to any of the articles written on the what? 10 different gaming websites?
On a side note I think this is the single largest threadnaught on the EVE forums.


Wait until the article on the Slashdot firehose goes front page :)

CCP will be begging for Lulzsec to comeback.


MrSteack
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:00:00 - [1647]
 

Edited by: MrSteack on 23/06/2011 18:00:34
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Edited by: Tea Ester Elliot on 23/06/2011 17:59:37
The door, it has a purpose!



Bwahahahaha, you are my hero!

Cyber Duck
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:02:00 - [1648]
 

Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Edited by: Tea Ester Elliot on 23/06/2011 17:59:37
The door, it has a purpose!



well... the mods are watching... that link was an image two seconds ago

Jamie Banks
Quantum Horizons
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:02:00 - [1649]
 

It was good while it lasted.

Unsubscribed x3.

Tea Ester Elliot
Posted - 2011.06.23 18:03:00 - [1650]
 

Edited by: Tea Ester Elliot on 23/06/2011 18:03:25
Originally by: Cyber Duck
Originally by: Tea Ester Elliot
Edited by: Tea Ester Elliot on 23/06/2011 17:59:37
The door, it has a purpose!



well... the mods are watching... that link was an image two seconds ago


I edited it myself, was too wide and I hate distastefully warping forums.

Feel free to link it in image format yourself to see how long it takes them to nerf it.


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