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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:48:00 - [1531]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Miilla


Meh, I still don't want to log in.





I have had that feeling for like 2 years lol. I've been paying to skill. This patch changes nothing.


Meh, Until all this is sorted out one way or another, I am doing what a company should never want.

Browsing COMPETITOR products.




We should fire up a freelancer server.

Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:48:00 - [1532]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Zedah Zoid
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.


Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 – 2008 (14 years)



This should not be overlooked.

It is, however, something I'd rather not have known if true. Thanks a lot CCP you've shown me that ignorance really can be bliss Crying or Very sad


It's true.

Hiring a City Group moron, that's a great way of losing your business.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:49:00 - [1533]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 16:51:29

Originally by: Janus Talmash
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Zedah Zoid
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.


Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 – 2008 (14 years)



This should not be overlooked.

It is, however, something I'd rather not have known if true. Thanks a lot CCP you've shown me that ignorance really can be bliss Crying or Very sad


It's true.

Hiring a City Group moron, that's a great way of losing your business.



I have one saying that has ringed true and never failed...




BEWARE THE BANKERS!




If only we all had enough stock to NOT vote him on the board.

EMPLOYEE's of CCP, you have this power in your yearly vote, USE IT, don't be ignorant of the proxy vote.

I always loved NOT voting Steve Balmer onto the MSFT board :) But every employee at MSFT has that power, I kept shouting that them why they wernt voting, they didn't give a rats, but went on complaining.


If any CCP employee wants to sell their shares privately, I am sure some people on here would buy them just for this reason :)


Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:50:00 - [1534]
 

Originally by: Landlady
Originally by: leth ghost
not far off hitting the 24 hour mark now and still no response, nice way to show you care about your player base !!!!!

a hang on they dont they make us try and think they do to milk us lol


That's because they are in meetings trying to figure out how to make a buck off of the outrage surrounding this leak :P




Yup. Someone (or a bunch of someones) in there is saying "No publicity is bad publicity."

Deimos Wolf
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:53:00 - [1535]
 

Originally by: Miilla



And the Blueprints in the NEX store will be 1 RUN REMAINING COPIES, like the LP store and cost you 200 bucks.


You just want to rage don't you. You did not even try to comprehend what I wrote. This might be why ccp does not respond. Anything they say will beturned against them.
Anyhow. There will be way lower rates on consumables. There is no need for artificial rarity here. I could imagine 1000 run per 10 aur. It is just a way to decrease plexes that's all. They are now stockpiled and need to go. And you won't feel a thing. Because they will be traded for isk as ever before. Just consumed more regularly

akitespero
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:54:00 - [1536]
 

Game advantages should be an integral part of EvE, of gameplay, not something that magically appears whenever you plonk real life euros or dollars.

Until now EvE was a game where game advantages were obtained through gameplay. Faction increases required time and commitment, ships had to be built through a long and complex operation requiring many steps and time, ammo had to be savaged or built.

CCP had a vision, their aim was to craft a unique space sandbox, a gem of a game, something special, something I was proud to play. Now it seems that EvE is becoming a means to generate more profits, the uniqueness of Eve be damned. CCP's biz dep is betting that the lost subscriptions from disgruntled veterans will be offset by the arrival of masses of new players lured to the new eve.

Unless CCP can dispel my fears I'll be joining the ranks of disgruntled veterans. I'll be selling my characters and stuff as my subscription ends, then will donate the resulting isk to whatever relief action CCP promotes next, and then I'll look for something different, unique, to invest my time and cash.

I still hope the leaked doc is a fake ...

Marielle Ley
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:54:00 - [1537]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


Not something I'm going to make a habit as far as agreeing with Jade Constantine goes, but signed.

Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion
Redrum Fleet
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:56:00 - [1538]
 

Edited by: Jehvan Sunburnadire on 23/06/2011 16:56:41
Originally by: Dirk Magnum
Originally by: Zedah Zoid
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
CCP corporate culture is no longer griefer icelander, its big corporate america, accept it, you have become a revenue input to maximise at every opportunity.


Who is the financial man, Joe Gallo, where did he come from: MD at Citigroup 1994 – 2008 (14 years)



This should not be overlooked.

It is, however, something I'd rather not have known if true. Thanks a lot CCP you've shown me that ignorance really can be bliss Crying or Very sad


Here's his LinkedIn Profile. God knows why anyone at CCP thought it would be a good idea to let someone like this be their CFO. To me... knowing this now just sort of explains everything. I doubt i'll be renewing given the direction they're taking.

Lol. Late to the party there... many many responses in the time it took me to verify you could actually click that link >_>

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:56:00 - [1539]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 16:57:00
Originally by: Deimos Wolf
Originally by: Miilla



And the Blueprints in the NEX store will be 1 RUN REMAINING COPIES, like the LP store and cost you 200 bucks.


You just want to rage don't you. You did not even try to comprehend what I wrote. This might be why ccp does not respond. Anything they say will beturned against them.
Anyhow. There will be way lower rates on consumables. There is no need for artificial rarity here. I could imagine 1000 run per 10 aur. It is just a way to decrease plexes that's all. They are now stockpiled and need to go. And you won't feel a thing. Because they will be traded for isk as ever before. Just consumed more regularly


Until the PLEX start to run dry as people keep breaking them up and use their PLEX for 30 days game time (their true purpose), what if that happens? Your ISK wouldnt buy any AUR, as PLEX is the source.

It may not happen for a while until everybody mass dump's their PLEXs and either it is wasted on AUR OR used as game time OR some EXTERNAL item / event.

Once the SINK for PLEX starts to drain them, and the FAUCET starts to fill SLOWER than the SINK drains, there is a problem, and Eve will start to BLEED dry.

Let's use an a ss anology here, if your a sshole is larger than your food hole, then you got a problem.


Ni'arks Slave
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:57:00 - [1540]
 

Originally by: Marielle Ley
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.


/signed

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:57:00 - [1541]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?

Curious is all.


Drop DUST and tell WoD to get ****ed.
Refocus on Eve and get back the churned subscribers who return whenever they fix things via word-of-mouth.
Fixed.

Too late now.

Pat Morrison
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:59:00 - [1542]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 16:51:29

Originally by: Janus Talmash

It's true.

Hiring a City Group moron, that's a great way of losing your business.



I have one saying that has ringed true and never failed...




BEWARE THE BANKERS!




If only we all had enough stock to NOT vote him on the board.

EMPLOYEE's of CCP, you have this power in your yearly vote, USE IT, don't be ignorant of the proxy vote.

I always loved NOT voting Steve Balmer onto the MSFT board :) But every employee at MSFT has that power, I kept shouting that them why they wernt voting, they didn't give a rats, but went on complaining.


If any CCP employee wants to sell their shares privately, I am sure some people on here would buy them just for this reason :)




Thank you, Mojo Nixon <3.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 16:59:00 - [1543]
 

Perhaps this is an omen

Thanks to CCP now we can get lives.. :) *chokes on the fresh air*

Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:00:00 - [1544]
 

I may think EVE24 is ****e, but CCP really NEEDS to explain this, if real or not..and if so...

God help their souls....

Guttripper
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:00:00 - [1545]
 

Perhaps a "dumb" question -

If CCP shut down the Eve server and you had a plex to cash in for a thirty day subscription time, since there would be no game, would CCP be obligated to refund your real life money?

I ask because I remember long ago before this current crop of marketing devs took over the game the (original?) devs saw Eve with a ten year life cycle. With the game eight plus years old now, voiding out all the potential ideas for 2012, 2013, 2014 that occasionally get dropped onto the players in blogs and that ilk, could CCP be worried about the sheer number of plexes sold and held in private hands? If CCP has intentions of phasing Eve out in a few years in hopes of replacing that game with that past fad of vampires of Twilight movie fame game in the works, what better way to scuttle the plex market that to offer trinkets for ridiculously expensive prices? The bean counters may be in panic mode and pray to whatever god they pray to that the player base is dumb enough to cash in plex so if push came to shove, CCP would not be stuck having to refund a mountain of plexes.

Just a thought on why the game is going as it has gone now.

Deimos Wolf
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:00:00 - [1546]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 16:57:00
Originally by: Deimos Wolf
Originally by: Miilla



And the Blueprints in the NEX store will be 1 RUN REMAINING COPIES, like the LP store and cost you 200 bucks.


You just want to rage don't you. You did not even try to comprehend what I wrote. This might be why ccp does not respond. Anything they say will beturned against them.
Anyhow. There will be way lower rates on consumables. There is no need for artificial rarity here. I could imagine 1000 run per 10 aur. It is just a way to decrease plexes that's all. They are now stockpiled and need to go. And you won't feel a thing. Because they will be traded for isk as ever before. Just consumed more regularly


Until the PLEX start to run dry as people keep breaking them up and use their PLEX for 30 days game time (their true purpose), what if that happens? Your ISK wouldnt buy any AUR, as PLEX is the source.

It may not happen for a while until everybody mass dump's their PLEXs and either it is wasted on AUR OR used as game time OR some EXTERNAL item / event.

Once the SINK for PLEX starts to drain them, and the FAUCET starts to fill SLOWER than the SINK drains, there is a problem, and Eve will start to BLEED dry.

Let's use an a ss anology here, if your a sshole is larger than your food hole, then you got a problem.




And thar is the point where ccp can stabilize on their whim by adjustment of the plex to aur exchange rate. So steady cash flow and plex drain. plus new items. this could be the most painless implementation of an ingane store

Saving Face
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:01:00 - [1547]
 

Originally by: Guttripper

If CCP shut down the Eve server and you had a plex to cash in for a thirty day subscription time, since there would be no game, would CCP be obligated to refund your real life money?



No. PLEX are ingame items that are owned by CCP, as all other ingame items.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:03:00 - [1548]
 

Originally by: Guttripper
Perhaps a "dumb" question -

If CCP shut down the Eve server and you had a plex to cash in for a thirty day subscription time, since there would be no game, would CCP be obligated to refund your real life money?

I ask because I remember long ago before this current crop of marketing devs took over the game the (original?) devs saw Eve with a ten year life cycle. With the game eight plus years old now, voiding out all the potential ideas for 2012, 2013, 2014 that occasionally get dropped onto the players in blogs and that ilk, could CCP be worried about the sheer number of plexes sold and held in private hands? If CCP has intentions of phasing Eve out in a few years in hopes of replacing that game with that past fad of vampires of Twilight movie fame game in the works, what better way to scuttle the plex market that to offer trinkets for ridiculously expensive prices? The bean counters may be in panic mode and pray to whatever god they pray to that the player base is dumb enough to cash in plex so if push came to shove, CCP would not be stuck having to refund a mountain of plexes.

Just a thought on why the game is going as it has gone now.



Get somebody versed in Icelandic law..

Perhaps somebody can know somebody and tell us...

CCP have an EULA limitation on liability clause in thre but that is WORTHLESS because it is effectively signing away your rights. Thus that clause is unenforceable. The law states what liability they have.

Is CCP registered as a "limited liability" company? If so, then you cannot go after the director's assets, if not, go for it :) PS: I want their Lambo's.


Jiseinoku
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:04:00 - [1549]
 

Nice. A banker from Citigroup. Just what we need in addition to game devs that spout microtransactions for in-game advantages as the Awesome™ future.

Hooray.

Judicator Saturnius
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:04:00 - [1550]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?

Curious is all.


Drop DUST and tell WoD to get ****ed.
Refocus on Eve and get back the churned subscribers who return whenever they fix things via word-of-mouth.
Fixed.

Too late now.



Would you be so kind as to link me your gaming suggestions Dr. B?

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:04:00 - [1551]
 

Originally by: Miagi Sans
I may think EVE24 is ****e, but CCP really NEEDS to explain this, if real or not..and if so...

God help their souls....


It's not fake.

This would have been the fist thread closed had it not been true.
Although the moderators are busy closing down about every other thread on the forums.

Traitors. You know, that's the best word I have for CCP after reading that newsletter.



Technovar
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:05:00 - [1552]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Let us say, just hypothetically, that CCP are in a bit of financial trouble. EVE is the current cash producing product, Dust's dev costs went mental & WoD is taking longer than anticipated. Hypothetically you understand would you of prefered them to up the subs cost for a dollar or so a month or a $60 monacle?

Curious is all.


Drop DUST and tell WoD to get ****ed.
Refocus on Eve and get back the churned subscribers who return whenever they fix things via word-of-mouth.
Fixed.

Too late now.



They bought White Wolf in order to develop WoD. It's them now. DUST is part of the company as well. It's not "they" to them. Eve's not a focus, it's a source of revenue while they develop their core products.

Jehvan Sunburnadire
The Forgotten Legion
Redrum Fleet
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:05:00 - [1553]
 

Originally by: Saving Face

No. PLEX are ingame items that are owned by CCP, as all other ingame items.


No. Plex are best thought of as equivalent to promisorry notes or bearer-bonds. They are a loan to CCP in return for something that entitles the bearer to 30 days of game time. As has already been stated in this thread, it would be interesting to see a test case regarding the 'limited liabilities' that companies like to put in their EULAs though.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:06:00 - [1554]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Here is the problem Verone. Sure when you have been playing Eve as long as we have you learn to take the rough with the smooth but you do so with the general feeling that CCP developers understand and “get” what makes Eve great – and that’s the problem now. This internal newsletter (if real) shows that one of the leading developers does not “get eve” does not care about eve, and simply sees eve as a cash cow to be milked ferociously to fund other projects. This is about keeping the golden goose of eve subscriptions (on a drip feed if necessary) while chasing and grubbing every little loose cent he can from the player base.

Let me give you a couple of examples of how this can and does (and has already) impacted our enjoyment of this game:

1. The Captains Quarters – it’s not gameplay its a display cabinet for vanity items. And the price of this display cabinet for you and I is that multi-client performance in stations is now terrible – if you have a bad graphic card it’s a jerk fest – if you have a decent graphics card it’s heat-fest. I can run 3-4 clients with CQ’s turned on – I can run it smoothly – but do I want to? Hell no because my Gtx 580 sounds like its melting my motherboard now! So I need to turn off the CQ’s on multiple accounts and as a result have more limited functionality on those accounts and an ugly wallpaper. No more station environment, no more clicking on my ship to open cargo hold, no more dragging ship to the hanger to board it. The delivery of the CQ vanity item display case has impacted my gameplay.

CCP could have made it optional and given us the option of keeping the old hanger view and added a “disembark ship” option to the UI but “oh no” to do that would have meant we weren’t being forced to look the vanity display case that marketing insisted must be front and centre if we’re to even think about buying these ridiculously overpriced items from the Noble store.

2. If you read the newsletter you’ll see reference to saved fitting slots – and I don’t know about you Verone but in JF we’ve run out of saved corp ship fittings. We want CCP to up the limit but is that really going to happen while the “biz-devs” talk honeyed words about how to squeeze extra income from players for such “minor upgrades.”?

3. Who develops these vanity items? Yes thats right its Eve artists and developers whose salary we pay with our subscriptions. Given the choice wouldn’t you rather than engine trials and flashy cyno effect rather than a bunch of overpriced tat in the Aur store? Because that is precisely the compromise being made here -> CCP using our subs money to pay for vanity item production they want to sell back to us for greedy prices and it is something you SHOULD get mad about.

Here’s the thing. The time to fight for the game we love is not in six months time when these concepts have bedded down and CCP is feeling bold enough to start selling Noble Faction ammo and +9 implants. The time to fight is now. Because this newsletter embodies everything that many of us feared but didn’t want to believe CCP were becoming capable of. It is a massive betrayal of the compact we shared as players and developers of this game and indicates that CCP is preparing to leap down a very dark and deep path of self-immolation in the months to come.

I don’t want to see Eve Online die Verone. That sounds dramatic I know, but gameworlds die when the dreams and visions are extinguished and that can happen through a succession of bad ideas foisted on a community by people who really don’t have much of a clue in business.

PLUS
FCKING
ONE

+1

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:06:00 - [1555]
 

Originally by: Deimos Wolf
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 16:57:00
Originally by: Deimos Wolf
Originally by: Miilla



And the Blueprints in the NEX store will be 1 RUN REMAINING COPIES, like the LP store and cost you 200 bucks.


You just want to rage don't you. You did not even try to comprehend what I wrote. This might be why ccp does not respond. Anything they say will beturned against them.
Anyhow. There will be way lower rates on consumables. There is no need for artificial rarity here. I could imagine 1000 run per 10 aur. It is just a way to decrease plexes that's all. They are now stockpiled and need to go. And you won't feel a thing. Because they will be traded for isk as ever before. Just consumed more regularly


Until the PLEX start to run dry as people keep breaking them up and use their PLEX for 30 days game time (their true purpose), what if that happens? Your ISK wouldnt buy any AUR, as PLEX is the source.

It may not happen for a while until everybody mass dump's their PLEXs and either it is wasted on AUR OR used as game time OR some EXTERNAL item / event.

Once the SINK for PLEX starts to drain them, and the FAUCET starts to fill SLOWER than the SINK drains, there is a problem, and Eve will start to BLEED dry.

Let's use an a ss anology here, if your a sshole is larger than your food hole, then you got a problem.




And thar is the point where ccp can stabilize on their whim by adjustment of the plex to aur exchange rate. So steady cash flow and plex drain. plus new items. this could be the most painless implementation of an ingane store


Yes but not with the item's and NEX features suggest in that document, sure put panties and bra's on there, I dont care, I find it funny.

But put that other stuff on there, its too big a poision a pill to take.

Also, their current prices and exchange rate, is a joke.

It is obviously not working.


Jonathan Malcom
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:06:00 - [1556]
 

Edited by: Jonathan Malcom on 23/06/2011 17:15:19
Edited by: Jonathan Malcom on 23/06/2011 17:10:14
Edited by: Jonathan Malcom on 23/06/2011 17:06:13
Sig test. Please ignore.

Edit: Failure. :-(

How the **** do you use image tags? It's not HTML.

Victory!

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:08:00 - [1557]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Edited by: Jonathan Malcom on 23/06/2011 17:06:13
Sig test. Please ignore.

Edit: Failure. :-(


Learn to use the PREVIEW checkbox?

I know CCP removed LEARNING SKILLS, but comon?

Ronaldo Carrare
RR Financial Services
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:09:00 - [1558]
 

Posting because this thread has to stay up, I am mad and angry and butthurt and I think CCP are morans.

The Blind One
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:09:00 - [1559]
 

Edited by: The Blind One on 23/06/2011 17:09:06

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 17:09:00 - [1560]
 

Edited by: Othran on 23/06/2011 17:10:27
Originally by: Jehvan Sunburnadire

No. Plex are best thought of as equivalent to promisorry notes or bearer-bonds. They are a loan to CCP in return for something that entitles the bearer to 30 days of game time. As has already been stated in this thread, it would be interesting to see a test case regarding the 'limited liabilities' that companies like to put in their EULAs though.


I'm afraid you are seriously out of date. While PLEX started with the status you seem to think it still has, CCP changed it to a full in-game item last summer. As an in-game item CCP own it, not you. Edit - if you have it reverse redeemed then that might be a legal argument that would work, but PLEX is nailed down, CCP just want to get rid of the stockpile.


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