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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:56:00 - [121]
 

Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 22/06/2011 21:56:14
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 21:34:47
Originally by: leth ghost
Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

Anyone with even a 1/4 of a brain can see this is fake and not real. Look at all the grammatical and spelling errors.


i wouldnt expect people that had english as a second languages to get the grammar spot on


Tell me this... Are they using Scandinavian grammer in an English language? That is the telltale sign that their first language is Scandinavian.

I see these errors daily at work, I can even tell when somebodies 1st language is Russian; Ukranian, Romanin etc by the grammer they ues.

Everybody uses their native grammer but only translate the words, but apply the wrong grammer, or fall back to their grammer when in doubt.

Having been surrounded and had to learn a few languages myself :P


Paste a snippet here maybe I can tell you.




I don't know Icelandic, but in my experience Icelanders speak English with very few grammatical errors.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:56:00 - [122]
 

Three things:
- CCP Soundwave confirmed on twitter that he is watching the reaction. He did not deny it being real. http://twitter.com/#!/ktouborg
- CSM member Seleene, formerly CCP Abathur, confirmed seeing this on a desk in Iceland at the CSM summit. linkage
- Its close enough to the direction CCP has been going that we can't tell if its real or fake on its own.


-Liang

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:57:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Janus Talmash
Originally by: Diomedes Calypso
i can't read the downloaded file. I have a newer version of adobe but no matter how many times i download it I get some encryption message



Non-protected version, linked earlier.



ty .. don't know how i missed it...

now i gotta go back again through the newly longer thread and try to understand who this document was for.. what was the intended audience and do internal documents really look this flashy at companies these days..?

Larik Olen
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:58:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Larik Olen on 22/06/2011 21:58:26
So all that hurf-blurf about 'vanity only' turned out to be a lie after all:

"Not all virtual purchases will focus on customization, some will simply be new items, ammunition, ships, etc. that can be purchased outright."

Assuming this is legit, this is disgusting. Outright lies about the future direction of the MT model within EVE. When was the U-turn going to happen I wonder? Seriously reconsidering my sub. I also might have tried WoD, but if it's going to be an MT paradise then you can count me out.

I understand that CCP need to make money, but the implementation of the MT model in the face of so much player rage over so long a time leaves me wondering if they're even on the same planet as the rest of us. How can they get something like this so wrong, so consistently? Some of us always feared that the slippery slope hadn't really gone away with the 'vanity only' claim - now we know for sure.Evil or Very Mad

Iulia Badr Marinela
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:58:00 - [125]
 

If CCP puts in microtransactions for things that can influence the game, such as mods, weapons, skill enhancements or whatever, and not purely cosmetic, I know I and a lot of other players will bail out.

See Combat Arms, this is a game where you can do exactly that, buy better guns, body enhancements where you are super fast, etc. etc. It turns into a dominance of those who have money and that is not why I play EVE.

Xervish Krin
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:59:00 - [126]
 

The DUST bit in particular looks worrying. Essentially it proposes having the RMT weapons become outdated or obsolete, so players have to constantly use MT to keep up, creating a pseudo subscription for anyone who doesn't want to die horribly...

Domoso
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:59:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Domoso on 22/06/2011 22:10:05

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:59:00 - [128]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 22:05:30


Having more than "seen" fake PR releases my self I know what Im talking about. *g*

They would take an original one so all the fonts, layout and metadata is the same and less a red flag. Then edit the main points or article.

So, really it would be hard to tell if it is real or fake. Without it being digitally signed that is.


It smells real, given their recent actions, it smells like the beheviour of CCP, trying to be different and handle the real life money life circle so they can profit and we can accept it (read my previous points in yellow last page) that i pulled out of the document that give me the most signifigance.

They where also at this "summit" and obviously want to play a lead role here in this MT arena.



Also note, they also make reference to their other Products so this MT strategy is CORPORATE wide, not just a single product and therefore not a "test" it is their corporate GOAL.


Jo Blot
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:59:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Jo Blot on 22/06/2011 22:03:26
Some things that can be sold to players:

- Fast-track upgrades that install first time
- Downtime compensation insurance
- CCP-appoved custom bots, made to order for high net worth clients.
- Real-time market data feeds
- Energy Trading: Allow players to configure their defences to automatically purchase extra sheilds whenever they go into armoue.
- Level-Up! Skill point sales to be introduced ASAP.
- Scam protection.
- Local obfuscation: Players will be able to keep themselves from appearing in local chat.
- Idiot-free, fact-checked forums (alas, unavailable at any price)
- Alt-discovery agents. In-space agents that will divulge the identies of other player's alts in exchange for RL cash.
- And last but not least, bribeable developers who will add TII BPOs to corporate hangers for cold, hard, under the table cash (or beer).

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:01:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Xervish Krin
The DUST bit in particular looks worrying. Essentially it proposes having the RMT weapons become outdated or obsolete, so players have to constantly use MT to keep up, creating a pseudo subscription for anyone who doesn't want to die horribly...


As Dust was F2P, or close to, and free (or close to) to download based on the presentations, that was inevitable. F2P = microtransactions, and not just for pretty clothes.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:01:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: flapie 2

How ever after reading the last part i kinda calmed down and started to see that most people are indeed over reacting.



No, they are trying to turn it into Perfect World International, which is a horrendous game and EVERYTHING costs $$, someone tried to get me to play that ****, uninstalled within 20 minutes of figuring out how their whole thing worked.

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:02:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
The thing about it is that the quotes coming out of this are exactly in line with what's being said and done by CCP for the last little while... it has to be real?
Finally did it, Liang. Headed for the hills with my two accounts. Only way to make sense out of CCP's particular brand of craziness.

Dr Djago
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:03:00 - [133]
 

CCP if this is real, then throw in the PLEX fore remap, you really have nothing to loose at this point really.

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:04:00 - [134]
 

Both of my accounts got 3 days remaining... I hope that your monocles sell well and that next game I play has zero ties to CCP (no excellence, just lies).

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:04:00 - [135]
 

The biggest fear for an MMO is to be like Entropia I think.


You cannot do ANYTHING without a credit card in that game.

People go "oh ill try that" then their friends say "yeah i tried that, cant do anything without real money", then they say "sod it, I cancelled my client download"


Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:04:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Dr Djago
CCP if this is real, then throw in the PLEX fore remap, you really have nothing to loose at this point really.
LMAO! Nicely done, couldn't have said it better.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:05:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu

Hey Miilla quit all ready. Your incessant whining is like the droning of a katydid.

Anyone with even a 1/4 of a brain can see this is fake and not real. Look at all the grammatical and spelling errors.


So all the ship, ammo, drone, item descriptions in Eve, that for all these years have had spelling and grammar errors were fake? Does that mean I have to give back the ISK I got from killing a rat BS with fake ammo? Do clear that up for us, thanks!

Khysanth Onyx
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:05:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Khysanth Onyx on 22/06/2011 22:06:04
That string of quotes started to read like The Final Solution to the Jewish Question, and whoa the irony.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:06:00 - [139]
 

Isn't it fun? It's the same path that led my former employer's corporation to default and close.

The economist (akin to John Turbefield in the PDF) kept warning about the dangerous path and about the risks.

The marketeer (in this case it's worse as Kristoffer Touborg is Lead Game Designer => more powerful) laughed in his face.

Result: when marketeers trump economists things go downhill fast.

Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:07:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: Emperor Cheney on 22/06/2011 22:07:44
Originally by: Khysanth Onyx
Edited by: Khysanth Onyx on 22/06/2011 22:06:04
That string of quotes started to read like [removed]


**** you. Seriously.

RensPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:08:00 - [141]
 

cool. we are offered to download a faked pdf file linked through eve-o. not that acrobat reader is the number one security hole software of the world and eve-o consists of nasty people...

Iamien
Democracy of Klingon Brothers
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:08:00 - [142]
 

This is legitimate. If it weren't it would be closed by now as CCP would not allow disinformation to be spread and go viral.

Khysanth Onyx
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:08:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Emperor Cheney
Originally by: Khysanth Onyx
Edited by: Khysanth Onyx on 22/06/2011 22:06:04
That string of quotes started to read like The Final Solution to the Jewish Question, and whoa the irony.


**** you. Seriously.


OMG can you ever avoid crucifying yourself you bloody wailing idiot.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:09:00 - [144]
 

CCP is a business and it exists to make a profit.

With that in mind I don't see why we should be surprised that CCP have an internal discussion document in place - in fact you could argue that the presence of said document is a good thing: internally CCP are judging what is, and what is not, acceptable in terms of generating revenue from its customers (both current and future).

Quite a lot of the document makes logical sense.

We might find it distasteful too be poked and prodded by a market analysis but all business do this.

CCP Soundwaves deductions don't accord with my own, but then he seems a different style of consumer to me. On one point however I would agree - CCP are going to be burned at the stake here.

C.

Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:09:00 - [145]
 

Fake or not fake, I am concerned about how CCP is trying to squeeze us for money.

As I mentioned earlier in the monetizing apps post:

If you keep this up CCP, WoW actually starts to look appealing.



You pay your sub, can log in, and do what you want to do without having to deal with broken crap, half finished features, and some company trying to sell me my own leg for which I already payed.

I'm glad Deus Ex: HR, ME2, GW2 are all coming out in the next 18 months. After that, I can see if there is anything left of Eve.

Lord Cath
Amarr
Gung-Ho
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:09:00 - [146]
 

if this is true and it's the direction CCP wants to take EvE... I wont renew my subs. It's been a nice few years, with an incredible experience, but I do not wish to be around when one of the greater games of all time becomes a monster.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:09:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Both of my accounts got 3 days remaining... I hope that your monocles sell well and that next game I play has zero ties to CCP (no excellence, just lies).


My bet is they will never tell us how many monocles sold the first week because it will be a startling, and yet entirely predictable to anyone with common sense, total failure.

flapie 2
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:09:00 - [148]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: flapie 2

How ever after reading the last part i kinda calmed down and started to see that most people are indeed over reacting.



No, they are trying to turn it into Perfect World International, which is a horrendous game and EVERYTHING costs $$, someone tried to get me to play that ****, uninstalled within 20 minutes of figuring out how their whole thing worked.


Sure and king-kong is comming to Amsterdam tomorrow ....
My ship aint gonna cost isk, my trow away mission setup wont either, and my "i can afford to lose" PvP setups wont either. So why would i care about other people that want to trow away there money on crap ???

Rixiu
The Inuits
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:10:00 - [149]
 

This seem real enough to me. 38 days left...

Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
cool. we are offered to download a faked pdf file linked through eve-o. not that acrobat reader is the number one security hole software of the world and eve-o consists of nasty people...



Because there is no such thing as non-adobe pdf readers?

Planetary Genocide
Gallente
White Sail Anarchists
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.22 22:10:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: Planetary Genocide on 22/06/2011 22:11:44
Originally by: Miilla


Entropia...

That is a name you should fear...

It's comming.


I used to play that. If EVE turns into Planet Calypso IN SPACE! i will quit.

Quote:
No, they are trying to turn it into Perfect World International, which is a horrendous game and EVERYTHING costs $$, someone tried to get me to play that ****, uninstalled within 20 minutes of figuring out how their whole thing worked.


PWI is actually the company. I've played two of their games, Perfect World, and Jade Dynasty... I quit Perfect World because it was boring as ****, and Jade Dynasty went to hell when every update was a new cash shop item.


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