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Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:22:00 - [1351]
 

Best quotation from the PDF: "After a certain point of power, though, the enjoyment goes down (after all, how fun is it to have a "win button" that allows you to kill everything in sight with just one click?)"

You mean, like supercaps?

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:23:00 - [1352]
 

I honestly don't see what everyone is so upset about with regards to this document. I read the entire thing and while I might disagree with some of the opinions within, I realize they're just that, opinions. I actually rather enjoyed reading it and getting some inside info (if it's real) on some CCP employees thoughts about MT.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:23:00 - [1353]
 

If you don't see me... all my accounts with remaining subscription time are likely banned for challenging CCP to maintain the game I pay them for...

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:24:00 - [1354]
 

Originally by: General Windypops


It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?




Here's how it is: you are not allowed to break my EVE just because you suck at it. Hopefully this was clear enough.

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:24:00 - [1355]
 

Originally by: Miilla


Come on people!

Support CCP!

We want MT everywhere.

Just agree and nod to CCP, Let them have their way.

Then we get to laugh at them later, while they find new jobs.




The problem with that statement is that this sort of MT sale is probably good for the game overall. Every game that goes MT ends up doing much better than subscription, look at what it did for LOTRO and DDO; those games are steaming piles and people dump embarising amounts of cash out at their stores.

If you want to object to MT, don't do it by trying to convince people that MT is bad from a business sense, because it inst. Convince them that it is bad from some sort of moral/ethical sense.

CCP devs wont be looking for new jobs, they will be trying to avoid paper cuts while they roll around in their giant piles of money because neckbeards think that a $70 monocle is the space-equivalent of louis vuitton.

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:24:00 - [1356]
 

Originally by: J Kunjeh
I honestly don't see what everyone is so upset about with regards to this document. I read the entire thing and while I might disagree with some of the opinions within, I realize they're just that, opinions. I actually rather enjoyed reading it and getting some inside info (if it's real) on some CCP employees thoughts about MT.


become a bit more human

Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:25:00 - [1357]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?



This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have read ever on Eve-O forums so good on you sir! You are not penalized in game because someone else has a less successful career. You are penalized in game because you PLAY THE GAME LESS than someone else. You have a choice just like the other guy. Cut your hours back, tell your customers or your boss that you value your time more than you value their money and play Eve Online if you want to be the big cheese here.

Otherwise, quit whining about how you can't extend your income influence further into the game than you already can with PLEX. Sheesh... morons....

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:25:00 - [1358]
 

Originally by: Goatse Girl
Bump, need more emo tears Twisted Evil


Then go cut yourself you little emo *****.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:25:00 - [1359]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 14:28:46

Originally by: J Kunjeh
I honestly don't see what everyone is so upset about with regards to this document. I read the entire thing and while I might disagree with some of the opinions within, I realize they're just that, opinions. I actually rather enjoyed reading it and getting some inside info (if it's real) on some CCP employees thoughts about MT.


Given the recent AUR prices, it is MORE than "opinion".




For all those Comparing Goblins/Dwarfs/Orcs/Mage games with Eve/scifi/spaceships/rayguns.

Two VERY DIFFERENT GENRES of game and audience.

SCIFI is niche, always has been, always will be.

Vampires/Orcs/Dwarfs Always POPULAR.

SCI FI = LOW AUDIENCE
FANTASY = HUGE MASS APPEAL

You are trying to compare the business of two dissimilar games.


Darveses
Fantastulousification Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:26:00 - [1360]
 

Did someone just take Windypops seriously Shocked

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:27:00 - [1361]
 

Originally by: Darveses
Did someone just take Windypops seriously Shocked


If I'd known it was so much fun over here I'd have moved out from CAOD years ago...

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:27:00 - [1362]
 

Originally by: Zedah Zoid
Originally by: General Windypops
It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?



This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have read ever on Eve-O forums so good on you sir!

Otherwise, quit whining about how you can't extend your income influence further into the game than you already can with PLEX. Sheesh... morons....


How can I put this? Windypops (And all of his corp) are inveterate trolls. That's what they do. That's ALL they do.

Stop replying to the muppet.

Goatse Girl
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:28:00 - [1363]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: Goatse Girl
Bump, need more emo tears Twisted Evil


Then go cut yourself you little emo *****.


ujelly?

Zedah Zoid
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:30:00 - [1364]
 

Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Zedah Zoid
Originally by: General Windypops
It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?



This is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I have read ever on Eve-O forums so good on you sir!

Otherwise, quit whining about how you can't extend your income influence further into the game than you already can with PLEX. Sheesh... morons....


How can I put this? Windypops (And all of his corp) are inveterate trolls. That's what they do. That's ALL they do.

Stop replying to the muppet.


In that case, I stand trolled. So again, good on you!Embarassed This is probably why I don't post over here very often.

Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:30:00 - [1365]
 

Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
I TOO CAN SPEAK IN CAPS.

WHEN WILL WE GET TOPHATS CCP????


lol ... obviously you missed this Post from Pandemic Legion Recruiter

Kali Doom
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:30:00 - [1366]
 

All Internet Posts from the Past 24hrs on the search term "Eve Online" Monocle.

Some funny stuff.

Cedar Locus
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:31:00 - [1367]
 

icelandic morans, eve is already a **** game if you compare it to what it could of been

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:31:00 - [1368]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 14:32:59
Originally by: Landlady
CCP devs [...] roll[ing] around in their giant piles of money

you haven't read the bulletin, have you?

take a look at page 10 of the PDF before coming back

shamelessly quoting myself:

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 12:46:12

The average CCP employee has moved to a small, rocky island to work for below-average wages.

What does he think about these changes and why does CCP have to convince him with this bulletin?

some selected metrics from the employee satisfaction survey:

topic: 2009, 2010, 2011 (perfect score is 5)
Employee Satisfaction: 4.2, 4.2, 4.1
Employee Loyalty: 4.7, 4.5, 4.4
Morale and Cooperation: 4.1, 4.1, 3.9
Management - CEO: 4.6, 4.4, 4.4
Management - Executive Board: 4.0, 3.7, 3.7
Company Vision and Business Goals: 4.1, 4.1, 3.9

question: 2010, 2011
"Professional development is well organized within CCP.": 3.1, 2.9
"I feel that my pay is in line with the position that I occupy.": 3.2, 3.1
"Communication with other offices is good.": 3.3, 3.1
"CCP's salary policy is fair.": 3.3, 3.2

I call bull**** on everyone claiming that CCP's employees in general are "out of touch" - they see very clearly what's going on and could be our best allies. If you don't care what game you are working on you would be stupid to hire with CCP.

The problem is that it is very easy for management to say "we just cannot pay you a competitive wage unless we increase revenue with MTs".


this picture matches very well with the information on glassdoor.

People like Soundwave are no "devs" - they're management.

Ni'ark
Parnassius Corporation
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:32:00 - [1369]
 

Originally by: Nirnaeth Ornoediad
A major problem with purchasing in-game items with real money is that it breaks a fundamental value proposition of EVE: the sandbox. One of the points of EVE is to have a player-driven economy. That means we get the raw materials, refine them, make stuff, and sell it. If players can purchase ships, modules, ammo, whatever, it effectively makes the industrial side of EVE far less valuable. Instead of industrialists competing amongst themselves, they will--quite literally--be competing against the real-world economic power of the playerbase. This is different than PLEX, which only affects the cashflow within EVE (it doesn't actually add to the cash supply, and thus doesn't even affect the value of money aside from the miniscule number of PLEX destroyed).

I understand that CCP needs to seek additional revenue streams to grow as a business, and micro-transactions are a reasonable one. Paying for convenience--more than 50 fittings, more than 3 toons on the same account, more than 500 bookmarks, etc.--makes sense, in that they affect player-game interaction, and not player-player interaction.

Theoretically, if the number of items sold for real-life money were limited, supply/demand would kick in and in-game industrialists wouldn't be impacted that badly. The problem is that once the real-world revenue stream is turned on, it's very hard not to turn it on full blast. CCP will be unwilling, I think, to impose quotas on such sales (sorry, only 100 faction battleships this month).

CCP has managed to make a game with several hundred thousand loyal accounts: a nice, consistent ~$50M USD/year revenue stream. Short of trivial games--such as Farmville--I can't think of any serious game that has survived on micro-transactions. Just as Salesforce.com, SuccessFactors, and other software companies have figured out, you need a recurring revenue stream in software (even Larry Ellison points out that Oracle gets 18-22% of its revenue from maintenance). Micro-transactions have the possibility of significantly reducing this revenue stream, especially in the mid- to long-term. CCP risks seeing a short-term spike in revenue, getting excited, moving to even more drastic effects, and then seeing the proverbial floor drop.

Just my 2 ISK. Or Aurum, or whatever.


You forgot that we are ALREADY paying CCP to PLAY this game, wich makes us all equal regarding stuff we can get.

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:32:00 - [1370]
 


Monstress
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:33:00 - [1371]
 

Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos
Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
I TOO CAN SPEAK IN CAPS.

WHEN WILL WE GET TOPHATS CCP????


lol ... obviously you missed this Post from Pandemic Legion Recruiter


Lol'd. So I take it Iloni Atoriandra will shortly be kicked from PL? :p

Iloni Atoriandra
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:33:00 - [1372]
 

This is actually a buff to all old players who have tons of ISK laying around after years and years of accumulating wealth since now theres new stuff to waste it on so I celebrate it and await my tophat.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:35:00 - [1373]
 

Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
This is actually a buff to all old players who have tons of ISK laying around after years and years of accumulating wealth since now theres new stuff to waste it on so I celebrate it and await my tophat.


Yes for a while, UNTIL PLEX dry up. then their ISK BUYS NOTHING.

Think of it succeeding.


People buy PLEX for ISK, get AURUM got game change items

WIN WIN FUN FUN..

PLEX dries up, people get tired of paying, or the plex input rate matches the REAL PEOPLES ECONOMY. Or they start to use a tighter budget and spend less.

Nullsecers (always the first to whine), or hardcore players with lots of isk, COMPLAIN they cannot buy PLEX with ISK, PLEX prices RISE. No stockpiles, just the new input flow mostly.

They have to buy new PLEX to WIN!..

That is when the REALITY BREAKS INTO THEIR MIND. OMG ITS A PAY TO WIN GAME.

That is when it affects them..


GAME OVER:


Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:35:00 - [1374]
 

I WONDER IF LULZSEC COULD HELP???


Pure Tabasco
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:36:00 - [1375]
 

Here got a little laugh for you

Survival Rule 514:
When a angry mob its outside your house, come with your hands up, cleary and slowly; before someone with little fire burns down your house.

Iloni Atoriandra
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:36:00 - [1376]
 

PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:37:00 - [1377]
 

All kidding aside, I'd pay $30 for enough faction standing with Cathum Conglomerate to access level 4's, I hate grinding 2's and 3's.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:37:00 - [1378]
 

Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra
PLEX wont dry up as people will still buy GTCs to convert and sell. Ive done 8 already since this came out.


Then you are their prize idiotcustomer with money to burn.

Fool and their money is easy parted.

Have fun funding my game, until the GAME OVER signs appear on the walls.


Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:38:00 - [1379]
 

Originally by: Verone
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.




TB is tht you? *squint* :D

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:39:00 - [1380]
 

Edited by: leth ghost on 23/06/2011 14:39:59
not far off hitting the 24 hour mark now and still no response, nice way to show you care about your player base !!!!!

o hang on they dont, they make us try and think they do, to milk us lol


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