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Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:03:00 - [1321]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 23/06/2011 14:03:10
Originally by: Lady Spanky
I have characters in a range of the biggest 0.0 alliances, and I can honestly say that this isn't being discussed AT ALL in our comms channels. There have been a couple of chuckles at how OTT these forums are getting, and not one single person actually being bothered in the slighted.

Looks like it's only a small minority who are getting so uppity.

So, that is why you are posting with an alt from an NPC corp, big shot? Obvious troll being obvious.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:03:00 - [1322]
 

Originally by: Miilla


So if PLEX hording is causing this, what if we simply stop our CC payments and consume PLEX as 30 days game time?

I have 4 years worth of gametime.

Would that stop the MT plans? NO, because the document states clearly the reason is to GENERATE MORE REVENUE for OTHER PRODUCTS.

The plex hording is NOT the reason for this. READ THE DOCUMENT.




I have. I can also see what's driving Aurum only being derived from PLEX.

If you aren't bright enough to spot it then that's your problem.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:04:00 - [1323]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



To maximize profit CCP would have to retain old customers while gaining new ones.

While it might not be shocking it is a violation of what was promised to the fanbase.


By making move like this CCP will NEITHER retain existing customers NOR attract any new ones. They've cost themselves 100,000 accounts AT LEAST, maybe even more.

This is similar to what happened when SOE dumped the NGE turd on Star Wars Galaxies.

The reason why they won't be able to replace those who leave is because they won't leave quietly. People who get backstabbed by a business tend to go away LOUDLY. The NGE ended up being reported in places where not even WoW got reported on: CBS, The New York Times, etc, not to mention the entire gaming news press.

Take a look at the top story on all the gaming sites right now: Yep, this little backstab.

People aren't going to go subscribe to the game that everyone says has management with the morality of Anthony Weiner.

Also, another hindrance to attracting new players for a game like this IS the skill train time sink. The only way this game brings in new players is because of OLD players, like us (I have three 50+ million SP characters myself).

EVE is more dependent on veteran players for long term survival than SWG was.

Which means, to me anyway, I think this fiasco is going to hurt them faster and harder than the NGE harmed SOE.

Worst of all, from CCP's point of view, it's harmed their reputation. Who is going to buy their other games? Take a look at how (un) successful everything SOE has launched since the NGE has been? DCUO, for example, which they spent over $50 million developing cratered within 5 months of launch, it's already being consolidated down into the bare minimum number of servers needed to keep it open with both PVP and PVE rulesets...

So not only is this going to cost CCP EVE's success, it's going to make the failure of DUST and World of Twilight foregone conclusions.

To CCP management: Is the extra nose candy money from selling $70 monocles and future planned items worth that?

leth ghost
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:05:00 - [1324]
 

Originally by: General Windypops


It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?




why dont you just say it clearly

I AM IMPORTANT I HAVE LOTS OF MONEY YOU MUST LET ME BUY MY WAY TO THE TOP OF A GAME WITH RL MONEY

o its because you will sound like a complete idiot lol

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:05:00 - [1325]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 14:02:36

I say we all let CCP do this and turn Eve into Entropia. Then we can point and laugh at them and say we told you so, while they look for new jobs.


EVE is the smallest project and the least important of their gaming projects since.. 2009 or so.

Twilight Online will outsell EVE by a giant margin when it comes.

Nirnaeth Ornoediad
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:05:00 - [1326]
 

A major problem with purchasing in-game items with real money is that it breaks a fundamental value proposition of EVE: the sandbox. One of the points of EVE is to have a player-driven economy. That means we get the raw materials, refine them, make stuff, and sell it. If players can purchase ships, modules, ammo, whatever, it effectively makes the industrial side of EVE far less valuable. Instead of industrialists competing amongst themselves, they will--quite literally--be competing against the real-world economic power of the playerbase. This is different than PLEX, which only affects the cashflow within EVE (it doesn't actually add to the cash supply, and thus doesn't even affect the value of money aside from the miniscule number of PLEX destroyed).

I understand that CCP needs to seek additional revenue streams to grow as a business, and micro-transactions are a reasonable one. Paying for convenience--more than 50 fittings, more than 3 toons on the same account, more than 500 bookmarks, etc.--makes sense, in that they affect player-game interaction, and not player-player interaction.

Theoretically, if the number of items sold for real-life money were limited, supply/demand would kick in and in-game industrialists wouldn't be impacted that badly. The problem is that once the real-world revenue stream is turned on, it's very hard not to turn it on full blast. CCP will be unwilling, I think, to impose quotas on such sales (sorry, only 100 faction battleships this month).

CCP has managed to make a game with several hundred thousand loyal accounts: a nice, consistent ~$50M USD/year revenue stream. Short of trivial games--such as Farmville--I can't think of any serious game that has survived on micro-transactions. Just as Salesforce.com, SuccessFactors, and other software companies have figured out, you need a recurring revenue stream in software (even Larry Ellison points out that Oracle gets 18-22% of its revenue from maintenance). Micro-transactions have the possibility of significantly reducing this revenue stream, especially in the mid- to long-term. CCP risks seeing a short-term spike in revenue, getting excited, moving to even more drastic effects, and then seeing the proverbial floor drop.

Just my 2 ISK. Or Aurum, or whatever.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:06:00 - [1327]
 

Originally by: Othran
Originally by: Miilla


So if PLEX hording is causing this, what if we simply stop our CC payments and consume PLEX as 30 days game time?

I have 4 years worth of gametime.

Would that stop the MT plans? NO, because the document states clearly the reason is to GENERATE MORE REVENUE for OTHER PRODUCTS.

The plex hording is NOT the reason for this. READ THE DOCUMENT.




I have. I can also see what's driving Aurum only being derived from PLEX.

If you aren't bright enough to spot it then that's your problem.


Yes I know, PLEX is just a VEHICLE to generate more REVENUE for the other products.

It solves 2 problems in one go.

Anyway, I am just going to have fun that hopefully is at CCP's expense with my remaining game time.

I am past caring about it.

Its my new mini game.

**** over as many noobs as I can, and the game in the process.


Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:06:00 - [1328]
 

Originally by: leth ghost
Originally by: General Windypops


It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?




why dont you just say it clearly

I AM IMPORTANT I HAVE LOTS OF MONEY YOU MUST LET ME BUY MY WAY TO THE TOP OF A GAME WITH RL MONEY

o its because you will sound like a complete idiot lol


hes just a rich ****ing **** with a kid in his brain

Rex Liberium
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:07:00 - [1329]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 23/06/2011 13:56:52
Originally by: General Windypops


It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?




Dumbest thing I heard. First a baseless assumption about me. Then an assumptions that you should get treated differently then me becuase "you are richer and got a more powerful job in RL and not the same time for games that I have".

As I said, get your head out of you ass :) you are clearly disconnected to what the issue is about, and you somehow think you are better then others becuse you "got a fansy job" as is entitld to different treatment. :P

Sad.


Not baseless at all. I looked at your poor spelling, combined that with the fact that you clearly don't understand corporate marketing and sales planning and made a perfectly reasonable conjecture.

It is entirely right and reasonable that people with more money can buy themselves better stuff.




Quote:

game1    
[geym]
noun, adjective, gam·er, gam·est, verb, gamed, gam·ing.
–noun
1.
an amusement or pastime: children's games.
2.
the material or equipment used in playing certain games: a store selling toys and games.
3.
a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.



Winning by taking the game out of eve.
For you its statussymbols in space or epeen in space.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:08:00 - [1330]
 

Edited by: Cyaxares II on 23/06/2011 14:10:10
Originally by: Lady Spanky

I have characters in a range of the biggest 0.0 alliances, and I can honestly say that this isn't being discussed AT ALL in our comms channels. There have been a couple of chuckles at how OTT these forums are getting, and not one single person actually being bothered in the slighted.

wouldn't say "not a single person" but here it's like 5 guys talking about it in a forum thread and practically no mention in chat or comms

Agricola Plagiarius
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:09:00 - [1331]
 

I find it ironic when you calculate the RM cost a shirt in eve costs more then what I'm willing to pay for a shirt in RL

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:09:00 - [1332]
 

Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Bendy Profane
Take this very seriously, management of CCP.

Yes, there are those who will always flame you on the forums. But the recent events also turned a lot of moderates into angry and bitter customers. Without the core community this game is nothing. Do not put it off for good.
they can not ignore this i mean, they cannot ignore the fact that alot of old players are angry.

unless of course they have really forgotten the older players (ive played scince 08)


I've paid/played since 03 on two accounts. Vanity items i'm not bothered about. Power items? Not whilst i'm still paying my subs.

I can live with the display case that CQ is (i have disabled it mind you) and i can well believe the document which i've had ~20 hours to read and digest is indeed real, and, most probably, designed to cause this very debate, however: I still don't like where EvE is going and CCP need to interact with thier customers to make thier product(s) better.

If they intereact and make thier product(s) better then more people will want to know what we are all raving about and they will make more money.

Iloni Atoriandra
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:09:00 - [1333]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 23/06/2011 13:56:52
Originally by: General Windypops


It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?




Dumbest thing I heard. First a baseless assumption about me. Then an assumptions that you should get treated differently then me becuase "you are richer and got a more powerful job in RL and not the same time for games that I have".

As I said, get your head out of you ass :) you are clearly disconnected to what the issue is about, and you somehow think you are better then others becuse you "got a fansy job" as is entitld to different treatment. :P

Sad.


Not baseless at all. I looked at your poor spelling, combined that with the fact that you clearly don't understand corporate marketing and sales planning and made a perfectly reasonable conjecture.

It is entirely right and reasonable that people with more money can buy themselves better stuff.




I also have more irl money and less irl time and would like to display my awesomeness by buying useless monocles and in the future much more badass ships devoted to someone of my financial stature.

Republica Winder
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:09:00 - [1334]
 

Originally by: Nirnaeth Ornoediad
A major problem with purchasing in-game items with real money is that it breaks a fundamental value proposition of EVE: the sandbox.


You needed go no further than that.

RMT item shops and sandbox games DO NOT MIX. They are oil and water. You can't have a sandbox with a cash shop, soon as you add one the game isn't a sandbox anymore.


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:10:00 - [1335]
 



Think of it succeeding.


People buy PLEX for ISK, get AURUM got game change items

WIN WIN FUN FUN..

PLEX dries up, people get tired of paying, or the plex input rate matches the REAL PEOPLES ECONOMY. Or they start to use a tighter budget and spend less.

Nullsecers (always the first to whine), or hardcore players with lots of isk, COMPLAIN they cannot buy PLEX with ISK, PLEX prices RISE. No stockpiles, just the new input flow mostly.

They have to buy new PLEX to WIN!..

That is when the REALITY BREAKS INTO THEIR MIND. OMG ITS A PAY TO WIN GAME.

That is when it affects them..


GAME OVER:

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:12:00 - [1336]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder

By making move like this CCP will NEITHER retain existing customers NOR attract any new ones. They've cost themselves 100,000 accounts AT LEAST, maybe even more.

...

People aren't going to go subscribe to the game that everyone says has management with the morality of Anthony Weiner.

...

EVE is more dependent on veteran players for long term survival than SWG was.

Which means, to me anyway, I think this fiasco is going to hurt them faster and harder than the NGE harmed SOE.

Worst of all, from CCP's point of view, it's harmed their reputation. Who is going to buy their other games?

...




QFT!

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:12:00 - [1337]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 23/06/2011 14:12:34
Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Nirnaeth Ornoediad
A major problem with purchasing in-game items with real money is that it breaks a fundamental value proposition of EVE: the sandbox.


You needed go no further than that.

RMT item shops and sandbox games DO NOT MIX. They are oil and water. You can't have a sandbox with a cash shop, soon as you add one the game isn't a sandbox anymore.



EVE's economy was heavily influenced by NPC buy/sell orders and the price floors/ceilings defined through these for years.

Saris Jacinta
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:13:00 - [1338]
 

CCP... Are you Seriuous ?

When i read this Bulletin i thought its only a Joke.. but it seems its true.
Well..
Money for items. In a small way its ok.
Buying Clothes, remapps, Maybe also Ships that are also found ingame would be ok.. but all this would be possible right now.
Also buying Faction standing isnt such a big deal....

But when i read about that thos Ships and Moduls in the shop will have better Bonus than ingame items.. when i read that those things will not get lost when get killed...

Theres only one choice:

If this comes online.. I cancle all my Accounts as it is FAKT that if it comes CCP dont want the Old Playerbase anymore. They want the 3 Month subscripers who bring fast Money and then leave again. Good luck with them CCP... and i hope you didnt make a Mistake and have to Close Eve after another Year ( Like 95% of all Games who tried to make the fast money.. and now are only F2P Games...

Well i wait. What comes...

Dont touch the Line Guys cause if you do you will loose a lot of Players that are payed for a long long time and they never will come back. :) This whole thoughts are Rediciuoules.
Well if some think im whining.. so think it. Yess its true i am scared of this changes. Not cause i dont want to pay cause off it will change Eve into something new i dont want to play.

Lets see where it ends. I will take my fun as long as its possible but these changes are no Patches or improvements.

CCP think about it.. what you try to do is something like Sony Online Entertainment tried with SWG...
They failed.. they lost 80% of theire Population on some servers in one week after NGE.. you wont see that, i am shure.
Everyone i know in eve.. every contact, every friend and in every Chatroom.. all i hear is.. we dont want it and we will quit.
Most wont do it thats true.. but i believe enough player will do it.

lets all stand together and kick theire Asses so they can see WE DONT WANT THIS ...

( And to all people who think this would be cool as they dont have the time.. you STILL have a big advantage over people you try to make isk in the game, as you can buy everything in eve with money ( plex ) right now. This changes will also kill the whole economy )

Just my 2 or some more cents :) I never posted here before as CCP done a great Job in the Past.. dont break the Dreams of Thousneds of people who play eve CAUSE it is different to all other MMOs..


Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 - [1339]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: General Windypops
I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.



To maximize profit CCP would have to retain old customers while gaining new ones.

While it might not be shocking it is a violation of what was promised to the fanbase.


By making move like this CCP will NEITHER retain existing customers NOR attract any new ones. They've cost themselves 100,000 accounts AT LEAST, maybe even more.

This is similar to what happened when SOE dumped the NGE turd on Star Wars Galaxies.

The reason why they won't be able to replace those who leave is because they won't leave quietly. People who get backstabbed by a business tend to go away LOUDLY. The NGE ended up being reported in places where not even WoW got reported on: CBS, The New York Times, etc, not to mention the entire gaming news press.

Take a look at the top story on all the gaming sites right now: Yep, this little backstab.

People aren't going to go subscribe to the game that everyone says has management with the morality of Anthony Weiner.

Also, another hindrance to attracting new players for a game like this IS the skill train time sink. The only way this game brings in new players is because of OLD players, like us (I have three 50+ million SP characters myself).

EVE is more dependent on veteran players for long term survival than SWG was.

Which means, to me anyway, I think this fiasco is going to hurt them faster and harder than the NGE harmed SOE.

Worst of all, from CCP's point of view, it's harmed their reputation. Who is going to buy their other games? Take a look at how (un) successful everything SOE has launched since the NGE has been? DCUO, for example, which they spent over $50 million developing cratered within 5 months of launch, it's already being consolidated down into the bare minimum number of servers needed to keep it open with both PVP and PVE rulesets...

So not only is this going to cost CCP EVE's success, it's going to make the failure of DUST and World of Twilight foregone conclusions.

To CCP management: Is the extra nose candy money from selling $70 monocles and future planned items worth that?



+1

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 - [1340]
 

Originally by: Republica Winder
By making move like this CCP will NEITHER retain existing customers NOR attract any new ones. They've cost themselves 100,000 accounts AT LEAST, maybe even more.

This is similar to what happened when SOE dumped the NGE turd on Star Wars Galaxies.

The reason why they won't be able to replace those who leave is because they won't leave quietly. People who get backstabbed by a business tend to go away LOUDLY. The NGE ended up being reported in places where not even WoW got reported on: CBS, The New York Times, etc, not to mention the entire gaming news press.

Take a look at the top story on all the gaming sites right now: Yep, this little backstab.

People aren't going to go subscribe to the game that everyone says has management with the morality of Anthony Weiner.

Also, another hindrance to attracting new players for a game like this IS the skill train time sink. The only way this game brings in new players is because of OLD players, like us (I have three 50+ million SP characters myself).

EVE is more dependent on veteran players for long term survival than SWG was.

Which means, to me anyway, I think this fiasco is going to hurt them faster and harder than the NGE harmed SOE.

Worst of all, from CCP's point of view, it's harmed their reputation. Who is going to buy their other games? Take a look at how (un) successful everything SOE has launched since the NGE has been? DCUO, for example, which they spent over $50 million developing cratered within 5 months of launch, it's already being consolidated down into the bare minimum number of servers needed to keep it open with both PVP and PVE rulesets...

So not only is this going to cost CCP EVE's success, it's going to make the failure of DUST and World of Twilight foregone conclusions.


Good post! +1

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 - [1341]
 

Originally by: Miilla
I am past caring about it.




We noticed the distinct, careless lack of posting, lately.

Cham Palaung
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 - [1342]
 

Edited by: Cham Palaung on 23/06/2011 14:18:57
A very important reason why i play mmorpgs since now 12 years is : EQUALITY.
Once we have paid our monthly bill, we all are equal. Be you rich or poor in real doesn't count anymore in game. If you work hard in the game, you get rewarded in the game, and it's a very good way to heal our wounds from the real life and make new friends, whatever our social origins and horizons.
Now, with micro transactions, the game becomes like real life : you can't escape anymore your real social condition.
I was playing lord of the rings online since the start, and saw recently arriving the "free to play" changes, and the shop. At start, they promised us that they were selling only customisation items, like clothes, horses, etc... but very fast the shop became full of SP bonus, potions, buffs, etc, be it for fighting or crafting or travelling, now every aspects of the game can be corrupted with your real life money...
I left.
I will leave EVE as soon as the first unfair product will appear in the shop.

Edit : oh, and i forgot : Dust 514 is a console game. That is not innocent, and that is a fact.

Levaria
Gallente
Incertae Sedis
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 - [1343]
 

Im gonna need a ****ing umbrella, CCP keeps ****ing all over the player base. Today's forecast, partly to mostly ****ty with a chance of Microtransactions....

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:14:00 - [1344]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

Originally by: Republica Winder

RMT item shops and sandbox games DO NOT MIX. They are oil and water. You can't have a sandbox with a cash shop, soon as you add one the game isn't a sandbox anymore.


EVE's economy was heavily influenced by NPC buy/sell orders and the price floors/ceilings defined through these for years.


While they were removed in a way which ruined eves economy for years to come.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:15:00 - [1345]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Miilla
I am past caring about it.




We noticed the distinct, careless lack of posting, lately.


Im here just for my personal pleasure now.

I want micro transactions in Eve. Everywhere.

I really do now.

I have changed sides. At least on this side, I cannot resist, and have fun at the same time, while Eve falls around CCP's ankles (and thus the funding for WoD and Dust).



Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:16:00 - [1346]
 

Originally by: Lady Spanky
Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Bendy Profane
Take this very seriously, management of CCP.

Yes, there are those who will always flame you on the forums. But the recent events also turned a lot of moderates into angry and bitter customers. Without the core community this game is nothing. Do not put it off for good.
they can not ignore this i mean, they cannot ignore the fact that alot of old players are angry.

unless of course they have really forgotten the older players (ive played scince 08)


I have characters in a range of the biggest 0.0 alliances, and I can honestly say that this isn't being discussed AT ALL in our comms channels. There have been a couple of chuckles at how OTT these forums are getting, and not one single person actually being bothered in the slighted.

Looks like it's only a small minority who are getting so uppity.




Our corp chat has been pretty quiet too with a few exceptions, until I came on here and found other corp/alliance members that are voicing their concerns that said absolutely nothing in game. Just because people are using in game channels for doing normal in game stuff, doesn't mean they aren't ****ed...

Landlady
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:19:00 - [1347]
 

No wonder CCP cracked down on bots, people who are botting wouldn't need to pay big piles of cash to get spacepants and pwnage ammo, they could just use their botting proceeds to buy plex instead.

Now that bots are getting stopped everyone will have to buy their power equally :P

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Linky instea,d forgot i cant use images

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:19:00 - [1348]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 14:20:36

Come on people!

Support CCP!

We want MT everywhere.

Just agree and nod to CCP, Let them have their way.

Then we get to laugh at them later, while they find new jobs.


JOIN THE "I SWITCH SIDES FOR LOLS" club!

If you get a survey from them asking if you want MT's etc, just checkboxx YES.

May aswell have some fun during the self destruct phase :)

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:20:00 - [1349]
 

Originally by: Ms Freak
Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Bendy Profane
Take this very seriously, management of CCP.

Yes, there are those who will always flame you on the forums. But the recent events also turned a lot of moderates into angry and bitter customers. Without the core community this game is nothing. Do not put it off for good.
they can not ignore this i mean, they cannot ignore the fact that alot of old players are angry.

unless of course they have really forgotten the older players (ive played scince 08)


I've paid/played since 03 on two accounts. Vanity items i'm not bothered about. Power items? Not whilst i'm still paying my subs.

I can live with the display case that CQ is (i have disabled it mind you) and i can well believe the document which i've had ~20 hours to read and digest is indeed real, and, most probably, designed to cause this very debate, however: I still don't like where EvE is going and CCP need to interact with thier customers to make thier product(s) better.

If they intereact and make thier product(s) better then more people will want to know what we are all raving about and they will make more money.


I realise 08 isn't that old but I do remember a better CCP/eve even before I signed up I was watching from the outside (at the time like in 07 i didn't have the awesome gaming rig I do now((its not all that awesome and near exploded with incarna)))

Goatse Girl
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:20:00 - [1350]
 

Bump, need more emo tears Twisted Evil


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