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Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:31:00 - [991]
 

Originally by: MrSteack
Originally by: Shoot2kilI


FFS steak go to sleep man.


NO I MUST WATCH THIS
It's like a train wreck... can't look away

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:34:00 - [992]
 


Diotima Saraki
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:34:00 - [993]
 

Originally by: Urgg Boolean
The overwhelming reality for us as players who do not want game-changing MT, is that CCP counts it's subscriber base in 10K's while many other games count in the millions. Don't get defensive, but by sheer numbers comparison, EvE is not that popular (a fact that most of us like). CCP can make a lot more money by doing all the marketable things that other games do. They can lose all current players, and still make increasing profits by attracting fans from LOTRO, WoW, Guild Wars, KotOR, StarTrek Online, and whatever else. Bottom line: their game design so far has attracted players in the 10Ks; to take a bigger market share, they need to change their model to accommodate the market research. It's business, pure and simple. <visions of Ebenezer Scrooge>

your post reminds me of something I read a long time ago...
Quote:
So we were given the directive to make Galaxies better.

Not just make Galaxies better, but make it succesful. Not the 200k
subs it had, but really succesful. The idea was that we had the most
valuable IP in the entire world, and we ****ed it up to the point of
having 200k subs.

And yes, all 200k of you were important, but 200k means nothing in the
scheme of things.
I worked on Galaxies for around 5 and a half years. That’s a long time.

[...]

So, when the NGE push came along, we were asked to reimagine the game.

Not just small changes, but rebuild it.

And it was needed. When we were asked, we were bleeding subscribers.

If I remember correctly, somewhere around 10k a month. LOSING 10,000
subs a month.
Note – I think our subs were closer to 160-180 than 200k. It was a bad financial situation no matter how you look at it.

[...]

We were told to imagine something new and unique. To push it to the
next level.

Originally, it was specced as a tutorial. A tutorial
paired with a new marketing push, new and grandiose relaunch that
would recapture the magic that we missed when we first released.

Linkage

Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:34:00 - [994]
 

Originally by: Hyperforce99
Originally by: Nikki West
Originally by: Tla Atij
Edited by: Tla Atij on 23/06/2011 00:20:34
Anyone got matches?
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Isn't that CCP Soundwave?


It would appear so ...

An uphill battle hmm? Laughing


This is part of the newsletter for CCP-ers I'm searching for the whole thing so you can download it your selve and just see how much of it is true for your selve and teh path come of the CCP-employees want to take.

I never throught that guy would be responsible for this RMT mess

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:34:00 - [995]
 

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 23/06/2011 09:35:24
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Miilla



So, who's in the mood to play Eve?




Nah, neither am I, and havn't been since yesterday.


112days remaining then bye bye


Miilla needs a helmet for her avatar, if she were to stick around. You know, the kind of helmet the kids on the shortbus wear. So they don't cause further brain damage when they drool, bang their head against the rusty duct tayped bulkhead, and punch the copy/paste button into the forum ONE....MORE....TIME.


112 days.....*sigh*


And you reply every time. You know..your char would look really good with one of those monocles..have you thought about getting one?Laughing

RensPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:37:00 - [996]
 

this thread underperforms to my expectations. i was estimating we'd be at page ~50 today when i went to sleep yesterday.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:39:00 - [997]
 


Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:39:00 - [998]
 

High subscription cost+mandatory macro/microstransactions. F U CCP. Take your greed up where the sun doesnt shine.

Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:39:00 - [999]
 

here's the link to the complete Document.
http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v

There's some more links in the early 10 pages of this post as well that you can (and in my oppinion should) check out as well to get a grasp of what's going on. Some people argue that the post that has set this rampage off is an aprisl fool joke, but in fact i highly doubt it,.. and if it should be an aprils fool troll than it's one that quite curatley describes the path CCP is walking with EVE.


HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:40:00 - [1000]
 

Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
this thread underperforms to my expectations. i was estimating we'd be at page ~50 today when i went to sleep yesterday.


We need to spread the news..I think I will spend the rest of my days spamming this in jita and other high populated systems. If we are the "vocal minority" let's see what the silent majority thinks. Spam until your fingers bleed!!Twisted Evil

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:41:00 - [1001]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Am I the only person here who works for a company?...

Accidently I just read CCPs newsletter after having read the ones in my company e-mail and will conclude that it is genuine enough. In fact, the ones from my company executives contain a lot fancy marketing talk and short sighted predictions. That is just the way those are written and should always be taken with a grain of salt.

For one, I give CCP props for both showing the thoughts of developers both for (Kristoffer) and against (John) virtual sales. I think John echoes a lot of the concerns people present here. Secondly, I like how CCP tries to break the normal virtual goods sales philosophy by demanding that all virtual goods should be re-sellable within the game allowing people access to them with virtual money too.

I do not entirely agree on the first section of the news letter and I would be very careful to put equation between people who enjoy spending money on improving their personal golf performance (by buying better clubs) and people who spend their free time on computer games. It is far from all people who do sports who spend enormous amounts of money to improve their performance, especially in more group conducted sports such as football which I think EVE is much more comparable to than golf. Besides the major danger for CCP is not whether people will spend time playing EVE or golf but if they will chose other computer games than EVE. As example, CCP should be much more concerned about products like Impulse and Steam which allows me to easily buy and install a whole game at prices that right now equals CCP price on a pair of virtual boots. Sure those games are not always (rarely) superior but they will certainly provide me with some hours/days of entertainment which CCPs virtual boots will be hard pressed to compete with.

Still, the world of MMOs are moving towards more virtual goods sales as can be seen by the increased number of games going “free to play” every week. This is certainly not the fault of CCP and it is quite understandable and even reasonable that they are trying to make a business strategy for this.


prettty reasonable post...

there is a lot i really don't like about the ideas of monetizing social relationships between people but thats about the reality of many fashion items and the article had a sort of intellectual truth to it... although its response was hardly a noble focus on making money providing a better product but finding a way to sell the most by not doing too much harm to a product.


The one important compliment that your brought up and I also want to keep in my mind is that they are taking and maintaing an almost unprecedented stance in letting all items be trasferreable and available with game effort using game currency.

Thats very very important to me and enough to cheer me up when i get glum about it

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:42:00 - [1002]
 

Now that Miila is here to help reignite the FIRE OF A THOUSAND NERDS, I'm sure this thread will hit 50 pages in no time!

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:44:00 - [1003]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: RensPriceChecker2
this thread underperforms to my expectations. i was estimating we'd be at page ~50 today when i went to sleep yesterday.


We need to spread the news..I think I will spend the rest of my days spamming this in jita and other high populated systems. If we are the "vocal minority" let's see what the silent majority thinks. Spam until your fingers bleed!!Twisted Evil


COMMENCE THE SPAM WAR!!

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:45:00 - [1004]
 

This will be an interesting day, lets see what will get locked, who will get banned, and who at CCP will get sacrificed to clean this mess up (its always the little guys that pay the price).


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:46:00 - [1005]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 09:47:40
CCP need to realise that it is better to have a profitable business and not a greedy business than none at all.

I would have to worry now If I was an employee there as too much hinges on 300k customers they are ****ing off.

That would affect the company employee's salary, something will have to be cut, that would affact WoD development, Dust would have to pay for itself, so would Eve. WoD would need investors or sold or shut down.

If Eve could not pay for itself after this, bye bye CCP.

Keep an eye on their financials now, and their recruitment / head counts.

That will be the tell tale sign of the impact.


Icelandic economy must be booming if they can take this risk.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:47:00 - [1006]
 

Originally by: Mikaaro


Am I missing something here?


Yes.

The hypothetical MTing 'Total Hell Death' Apoc would be superior in many, if not all, respects to a full on officer fit Apoc. Hypothetically, for the sake of argument, 9 low slots, 4 rig slot and enough points to fill each with T2 damage rigs when mated to 'Total Hell Death' Tachyon Beam Lasers. Throw on T2+DC2 resists as base for added giggles.

True that is an extreme example, possibly unlikley, but the $$ Apoc will be the better item to have in the game, even when compared to current officer mods.

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:47:00 - [1007]
 

http://eve-offline.net/

surely there are usually about 40,000 on at this time.

this is very telling.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:48:00 - [1008]
 

Originally by: Miilla
If Eve could not pay for itself after this, bye bye CCP.



Most of the players of this game have seen a fail-cascade close up.
Now the people who never left high-sec get to see one.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:49:00 - [1009]
 

Originally by: Carmine Lady
http://eve-offline.net/

surely there are usually about 40,000 on at this time.

this is very telling.


Usually at this time there is 26k ish players, EU timezone.



Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:52:00 - [1010]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 23/06/2011 09:53:44



Eve is turning into the most expensive DLC milking game ever in the history of gaming.



A single item can cost more then 30 days game time.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:54:00 - [1011]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Carmine Lady
http://eve-offline.net/

surely there are usually about 40,000 on at this time.

this is very telling.


Usually at this time there is 26k ish players, EU timezone.



When I logged on to see if I was banned last night, I'd say that we were down maybe 1000 people total from what I normally see. Well within statistical norms. HTH. Razz

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:54:00 - [1012]
 

yup, but today is a holiday in a few EU countries, and right after an expansion....it didn't make an impact, thats for sure.

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:55:00 - [1013]
 

Welp time for me to hit the sack, look forward to seeing what kind of BS justification comes. (if it does) Good luck to people posting links to the pdf, hope no one else gets banned.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:56:00 - [1014]
 

Everyone who stated they are going to quit and burn PLEXes or want to donate them in a next Emergency Relief campaign please notice how there's this Charity of mine that has even been showcased on Fanfest 2011.

You may donate any amount of PLEX or ISK to Chribba or to the linked thread corp and they will be held until the next CCP PLEX for <Subject> emergency campaign happens.

If you send to Chribba you MUST indicate the clause: "VAERT DONATION" and please also forward an eve-mail to me so I can include the donation in the accounting ledgers. If you send to the thread linked corp it'll all be done in automatic and your name shown in the Hall Of Fame.

I will keep one subscription up just to hold the stuff till CCP starts the next campaign.

Youtube proof of donation video.

Thanks in advance to those who will do the only positive thing possible out of this fugly CCP mess.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:56:00 - [1015]
 

Originally by: MrSteack
Originally by: Shoot2kilI


FFS steak go to sleep man.


NO I MUST WATCH THIS

Glad I'm not the only one F5'ing this thread till the blue bars show up. Come on CCP, help me get to bed. Say something, anything.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:56:00 - [1016]
 



CCP are going to make Entropia look good.



Fi1ippo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:57:00 - [1017]
 

the worst fake ive seen in a long long time.

Ranita Drell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:57:00 - [1018]
 

Edited by: Ranita Drell on 23/06/2011 09:57:40
Just an amusing note that I haven't seen mentioned here yet:

According to one of the guys writing an article on MT in that newsletter, he thinks it would be silly if sunglasses for his avatar cost more than a faction battleship.

Apparently the vision has changed since that article was written. Or sunglasses are totally different from monocles.

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:59:00 - [1019]
 

Edited by: Wacktopia on 23/06/2011 09:59:55
I've said it before and I'm saying it again.

Star Wars Galaxies 2.0

Goatse Girl
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:59:00 - [1020]
 

More tears in this thread please!Razz

None of you drama queens have unsubscribed,ugh


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