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Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:29:00 - [931]
 

Originally by: Mikaaro
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: Mikaaro

And if the ships are as crazily overpriced as the monocle they will end up being in effect vanity items as they will have no meaningfull use in the game (Good luck undocking that guardian-vexor without being ganked)


But as they want to sell it, they will make it so you can't get ganked, at least in highsec, anymore. See, once the priority is set (MT), the path is layed out, and they would be fools not to do it (business is business)


This pretty much proves you're a troll.


Keep telling you that, it may help. After a while, when you get this nagging feeling, you may have a look around on how we do this stuff in the industry.

Token Afrodude
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:30:00 - [932]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren


Ain't skeert: Full unedited version from CCP


thanks for that. saved for future reference.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:30:00 - [933]
 

Originally by: Jonny Utrigas

Whether or not it's a hoax, I pity the person selected to deal with this PR disaster. This has gone well beyond the EVE forums now. I don't the DC2 is going to save them at this point, nor will having 80 guardians and 120 basilisks to repair this mess.


As do I. Regardless of whether the memo was real, or a fake, someone will undoubtedly come forth and become a sacrifical lamb at the altar of the eve forum community, which is out for blood.

CCP just needs time to draw the straws, or calculate which employee can either a)safely field the response, cause they are respected and thus chosen to buffer fears, or more likely b) someone who can take the blame, and either be demoted, or placed in another capacity, or let go in an attempt to pacify the community who will clearly not stop until someone "pays" for this.

But again, i dont see much point in speculation. They'll respond to this, sooner or later, they can't afford not to. It just won't be in this thread, which is filled with too much trolling for endorse with a response.

Candi Storm
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:31:00 - [934]
 

CCP = completely concieved for profit

Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:32:00 - [935]
 

Going off the metadata, this document dates back to April. The 14th, to be specific. That's when it was first created, at least.

http://pastie.org/2110039 is the metadata I pulled out of the full version.

http://assets.talkunafraid.co.uk/gig_images.tar contains all the images found in the file.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:32:00 - [936]
 

Originally by: Tippia
In the spirit of remaining hopeful:

Maybe they have actually learned something…

No, I have gone beyond believing that myself, but like I said: "hopeful"… Neutral


Well done, you've made progress escaping their bull****.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:33:00 - [937]
 

Edited by: Jonny Utrigas on 23/06/2011 08:43:54
Originally by: Elzon1
Wow, look at all the drama llamas.

Alright, now its the time for a voice of reason.

Most of you are complaining about how this has a possibility of making EVE Online a rich kids playground full of golden overpowered ships and instant gratification. But, have you given any thought to how such a thing would be implemented into the existing market?

Do you really think its going to be the case that you turn a plex into aurum and then buy a overpowered battleship with it and it just poofs it into existence. Everyone knows that is far too simple for the market in EVE.

Instead of poofing a ship, module, or ammo into existence... don't you think it would simply give you a bpc instead, just like everything else? So in order to build the ship you still need the minerals for it don't you? What about the skill requirements to build it? The skill requirements to fly it?

Sure, as long as CCP doesn't allow the purchasing of SP they could just buy a character with isk and PLEX from the character bizzare right? So that costs them more PLEX. Then they would probably have to buy minerals off the market from other players, am I right? And after getting all of that together one still has to take the materials to the right place so as to wait for it's contruction to complete.

After all of that they probably end up with a shiny ship with only a little more firepower/capabilities than its counterparts for possibly two or three times the cost! What if the bpc wasn't in the new shop, but was in the respective loyalty point store? Then that person would have take the time to grind up enough loyalty points and isk in order to make the purchase of the bpc.

I really don't think some rich snob will be able to come up in here and hit an "I win button" its not going to be that simple. I'm sure if a snob came into EVE and thought he was going to win because he was rich would learn a few lessons about EVE fairly quickly. If he decides to undock in one of the new ships with a full fitting of the new shinies he will be ganked pretty quickly.

EVE Online is a very harsh game and is not the easiest to "win" and I'm sure most of us would like to give a warm 1400mm welcome to those bold enough to show off their wealth. This is EVE not some garden variety MMO. Even with aurum we will still have the player driven market and all the lovely pirates.

Most of this stuff will be vanity only, so it really doesn't matter that much. And for the devs to come up with new ships, modules, and ammunition it will take some time to tie them into the existing base of items as well as properly balancing them to thier counterparts. It's not like there will be a huge selection of new stuff immediately it will take lots of time for each non-vanity item to come out and we will have time to flame the devs on their decisions if we think they are doing something wrong.

Of course, the only way they could screw this up is if they made aurum into its own seperate market and that would be hard since it's based on PLEX. Nonetheless, non-vanity items should be subject to the existing game and market mechanics, NO EXCEPTIONS.

So have no fear my fellow capsuleers EVE will still be here.


If I remember correctly, it was stated in another post Linkage, earlier before Incarna was released, by a CCP rep, that things like the new battleships (Ishokune Scorpion for example) would be bought as a whole item, and would not consume a conventional Scorpion. This constitutes "poofing" from thin air.

Edit to add linkage

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:33:00 - [938]
 

This PDF has disturbed me greatly :/

RJBlues
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:34:00 - [939]
 

I do hope that this is not real. I really dont want to stop playing :( But if this is the direction the game is going in, then **** it. I pay to play a subscription game because I cant stand the microtransaction model.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:34:00 - [940]
 

So many things just dropped into place for me.

I could never understand how CCP managed to do any effective financial planning with the number of PLEX there must be in the system. When they made PLEX destroyable last year I wondered if the number of PLEX in the system was becoming unmanageable. This document confirms it has become an issue - an urgent one at that.

Ah well Eve had to fall apart at some point. Looks like now might be the time to get out completely.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:35:00 - [941]
 

Originally by: Elzon1
Do you really think its going to be the case that you turn a plex into aurum and then buy a overpowered battleship with it and it just poofs it into existence. Everyone knows that is far too simple for the market in EVE.
Yes. Everyone knows that. Everyone except CCP. That's why one of the first trial items in the NeX was going to do almost exactly that: poof a ship into existence.
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Ok, ok...so a little clarification please. (and no, I'm not being sarcastic this time) If this is an exact copy, what do you mean by "full version with company metrics" ? Is this an abbreviated version, or an exact copy? […] If there is more to this than what is shown on EveNews24's Chribba files link pdf, please get me that info.
It's linked on the first page, a few posts down. The EN24 version cuts out some preamble and a few pages dealing with non-MT related, general company news. This is the version people have seen at the CCP offices.

Personally, I find the company survey at the end rather interesting, containing things like the following "lowest score" list:
  • Professional development is well organized within CCP. 2.9
  • I am satisfied with the air-conditioning at my office. 3.0
  • I feel that my pay is in line with the position that I occupy 3.1
  • Communication with other offices is good. 3.1
  • CCP ́s salary policy is fair. 3.2
Communication a low-scorer? Who'd'a thunk it? Neutral

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:37:00 - [942]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren


Ain't skeert: Full unedited version from CCP


Thanks. That is certainly a more substantial document (in terms of info) than the one posted on Evenews24, and real or fake I appreciate the heads up.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:38:00 - [943]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 23/06/2011 08:40:21
Why do people have questions about the authenticity of this document?

It simply states the sames things we've been hearing from CCP via official channels for some time now.

i.e. PLEX for remap. PLEX for ships etc.

There is no question of authenticity. It matches their stated position.
It perfectly matches the strategy they have been implementing for near 2 years now.

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:38:00 - [944]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Communication a low-scorer? Who'd'a thunk it? Neutral
Laughing :CCP:

Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:39:00 - [945]
 

It's true business is business, but in this trent it's also common to be aware of what your customers want. Hell,.. how long has the talk and wish for "stationwalk" been out there,... 5 years, 6 years? I call anyone's bluff that has the guts to say they would not have been willing to wait a little bit longer still.

That said,.. it's obviouse CCP had utterly lost track of the interest of the community. It's also said that customer is king. WEll,.. not time ans passed by at two of CCP's offices and still not a single reply? It's clear to see how much CCP values their customers.

It's a simple demand and supply issue,... and what CCP is forcing us to supply is clearly not what is in demand. If anyhting, this much is clear as crystal.

Stegas Tyrano
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:39:00 - [946]
 

"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

Obi-Wan Kenobi, on current issue's

Dante024781
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:39:00 - [947]
 

For some reason I get the impression this is how CCP feels about me.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVZaZ8yO6o

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:41:00 - [948]
 

Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Originally by: Tippia
Communication a low-scorer? Who'd'a thunk it? Neutral
Laughing :CCP:


Collapsing Communications Post = CCP


Dratic
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:42:00 - [949]
 

I really want to see what CCP says about this. Another NGE on the way, i just can't see their pride being swayed on this, no U-turn, no saving this trainwreck.

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:47:00 - [950]
 

Fully expect thread to be locked without a word.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:48:00 - [951]
 

Originally by: Dratic
I really want to see what CCP says about this. Another NGE on the way, i just can't see their pride being swayed on this, no U-turn, no saving this trainwreck.


If it's an issue of pride, then they have truly lost touch with their customers.

Grifthin
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:48:00 - [952]
 

If this comes to pass - both my accounts get cancelled.

Sad panda.

Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:49:00 - [953]
 

There has been not a single response from CCP about this mess...

You know CCP, you can't stick your head into the sand and simply wish it away.

Ranita Drell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:51:00 - [954]
 

Edited by: Ranita Drell on 23/06/2011 08:51:50
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Why do people have questions about the authenticity of this document?

It simply states the sames things we've been hearing from CCP via official channels for some time now.

i.e. PLEX for remap. PLEX for ships etc.

There is no question of authenticity. It matches their stated position.

They recanted on the PLEX for remap before this document was published, and claimed that they'd be pursuing vanity items only.

They were going to go ahead with PLEX for ships, but only with a single ship, for limited span of time, until they got the NEX functionality working, after getting the CSM's OK. They bowed to the ensuing player backlash on that one too, I believe.

CCP has been inconsistent on the issue (even if it's arguably clear where their "heart" lies), but it's understandable that people would want to give CCP the benefit of the doubt and not call them bald-faced liars.

Carmine Lady
Amarr
Sinners.
Yarr Collective
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:53:00 - [955]
 

Originally by: Hyperforce99
There has been not a single response from CCP about this mess...

You know CCP, you can't stick your head into the sand and simply wish it away.


QFT

infact by not responding you are only making it worse for yourselves.

so please respond.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:56:00 - [956]
 

Am I the only person here who works for a company?...

Accidently I just read CCPs newsletter after having read the ones in my company e-mail and will conclude that it is genuine enough. In fact, the ones from my company executives contain a lot fancy marketing talk and short sighted predictions. That is just the way those are written and should always be taken with a grain of salt.

For one, I give CCP props for both showing the thoughts of developers both for (Kristoffer) and against (John) virtual sales. I think John echoes a lot of the concerns people present here. Secondly, I like how CCP tries to break the normal virtual goods sales philosophy by demanding that all virtual goods should be re-sellable within the game allowing people access to them with virtual money too.

I do not entirely agree on the first section of the news letter and I would be very careful to put equation between people who enjoy spending money on improving their personal golf performance (by buying better clubs) and people who spend their free time on computer games. It is far from all people who do sports who spend enormous amounts of money to improve their performance, especially in more group conducted sports such as football which I think EVE is much more comparable to than golf. Besides the major danger for CCP is not whether people will spend time playing EVE or golf but if they will chose other computer games than EVE. As example, CCP should be much more concerned about products like Impulse and Steam which allows me to easily buy and install a whole game at prices that right now equals CCP price on a pair of virtual boots. Sure those games are not always (rarely) superior but they will certainly provide me with some hours/days of entertainment which CCPs virtual boots will be hard pressed to compete with.

Still, the world of MMOs are moving towards more virtual goods sales as can be seen by the increased number of games going “free to play” every week. This is certainly not the fault of CCP and it is quite understandable and even reasonable that they are trying to make a business strategy for this.

Adrie Atticus
Mining and Industrial Services
The Irukandji
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:57:00 - [957]
 

Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Originally by: Tippia
Communication a low-scorer? Who'd'a thunk it? Neutral
Laughing :CCP:


Collapsing Communications Post = CCP




From the previous threadnaught:

Cannot
Communicate
Properly

Slaqer
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:57:00 - [958]
 

Wow, more people have viewed this thread than there were people on Tranquility today. If that doesn't convince CCP that this is a bad idea, then they have lost all respect from me as a gamer in general. As I hate any gaming company that sells out its player-base for more money, and I wish you a slow painful death.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:58:00 - [959]
 

Originally by: Carmine Lady
Originally by: Hyperforce99
There has been not a single response from CCP about this mess...

You know CCP, you can't stick your head into the sand and simply wish it away.


QFT

infact by not responding you are only making it worse for yourselves.

so please respond.


Chances are, they are hoping for the FIRE OF A THOUSAND NERDS to die down. Now, even if it is only 1000 individuals, that's gotta be at least 10% of the accounts for EVE. (Assuming an average of 4, since many have stated they have 6, 3, 4, 5, 2 etc. and the CCP claims to have 400,000 subscribers.)

Angst IronShard
Minmatar
Sense of Serendipity
Echoes of Nowhere
Posted - 2011.06.23 09:01:00 - [960]
 

Subscription Cancelation Completed.
No you'll not avec my stuff. I'll burn it as an offrand to the great Matari God expecting CCP's fall !
And may yours skins be burnt by Quafe T-shirt, CCP !


o7 goodby capsuleers, it was a real pleasure to play with you all those past times.


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