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Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:35:00 - [871]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Well this is disappointing. Just as I was starting to really enjoy EVE again, this happens.

I can't be bothered raging again, I don't have the energy or :care: left after last time. If that prize idiot Soundwaves ideas get implemented, it's the end.

Pity, really. EVE could have been good.


Yea, and with you a ton of people. I'm a miner and have trained vor god knows how long and still am training up all the required crap after nearly 1 1/2 years of maxing out the relavant skills. and what will it all bould down to? Mining and everything associated with it becomes a dead art.

Looks like a lot of this stink going round will end up just as obsolete as the deletion of the learning skills. their taking away part by part what made EVE unique and are implementing bit by bit more ways to slap money out of the pocket of their fanbase.

Seriousely, they've eaten to much Hakarl becouse this update and the perspactives of eve start to stink as bad as their national delecacy.
If you don't know what i'm saying,... just wach the clip here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwJYWEEL6wc

Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:36:00 - [872]
 

One thing to note regarding the validity of the document in question is after having worked at a corporate level before I can guarantee you that a statement would have been made long ago if it was a complete fabrication. What will probably occur is CCP will turn around and say that the views expressed in the document were those of the individual and not those of the company. We'll wait and see.

BeanBagKing
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:37:00 - [873]
 

Edited by: BeanBagKing on 23/06/2011 07:37:42
Regarding the PLEX is MT argument, I'll self quote from here

Quote:
Yes I know there's a lot of gray area, people have been talking about PLEX -> ISK -> Ships for a while now. Vanity items are another gray area. At some point a dark enough shade of grey turns to black for me, that's where this is headed.


It's not about some clear definition (not for me), of where this item comes from and where it goes for me, it's... a feeling. This is MT, this is not. This is a vanity item, this one creates an advantage. Perhaps for you this line hasn't been reached yet, good, keep playing. Evaluate whether you care about this, what it will do for the game, and where that line is for you. -IF- CCP goes ahead with something like faction standings for cash, I'll be evaluating that myself. I'm not saying I will quit, but I will be looking very closely at what actions like that do to a game that I love. I suspect not-good-things, but that's me. I also suspect that if they ever do offer cash for clear advantages as an option, even for something minor, that more and more will shortly follow.

Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:38:00 - [874]
 

Originally by: Mikaaro
Now that we're getting something other than emorage, we can actually start to discuss.

So this would basically crash EVEs economy model. Now think about that for a second. You guys actually think CCP would do this? Really? You think they're that stupid?

For me this just proves that this is a very epic troll.


Yes, i do,.. i've seen them do more stupid stuff,... i honestly would not be surprised.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:38:00 - [875]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 23/06/2011 07:38:50
Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos
One thing to note regarding the validity of the document in question is after having worked at a corporate level before I can guarantee you that a statement would have been made long ago if it was a complete fabrication. What will probably occur is CCP will turn around and say that the views expressed in the document were those of the individual and not those of the company. We'll wait and see.


hehe, they are faster then you, its in the disclaimer of the document Embarassed

problem is, the view is of EVE's lead game designer, so...

Typhado3
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:38:00 - [876]
 

3 accounts oldest of which is from 2005 all cancelled.

Honestly Eve is still OK for the MMO industry, a lot of MMOs are doing this sort of thing. However just cause all your friends are rolling in **** doesn't mean you should jump in and roll around with them.

I think it's time I give up on the MMO industry all together for a while.

Malias Yakusto
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:39:00 - [877]
 

Edited by: Malias Yakusto on 23/06/2011 07:49:21

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:39:00 - [878]
 

Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 23/06/2011 07:40:30
Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Another six accounts reporting in for bio-mass / unsubbing when/if this get's implemented.



Forget this "when/if" stuff.

It's done. CCP *ARE* completely, 100%, ****ed. It's over.


What are you, some apostle of ***gotry? It's not a done thing until it's confirmed, all you buttmad kids hanging out in the same thread crying about some potentially-self-invented-internet-spaceships-apocalypse need to get a bit of a grip on this thing you are so vehemently angry against, real money, and go spend it out there on something aside from the super-serious space ships that have at least 50% of the people in this thread e-raging like I'm playing counter-strike again. Seriously. The last thing CCP wants to do is kill their game. They enjoy the VERY LARGE amounts of money that drivel into it by means of subscription, PLEX, events, merchandise, etc. If you guys honestly think that they will look at this thread and/or take a massive hit to their subscription base and be OK with it, just to please a small, totally unrepresented, FIGURATIVE minority, you have your head shoved so far up the Doomsayer's ass to be much use to anyone.
HEH, like them enjoying the money they get now precludes them from making a cash grab due to investor pressure or any other reason? I think you're the one with your head shoved up your ass. Is it confirmed? No. Is it likely? Possibly. I do know it's better to vehemently express just how much we don't want it in the game rather than just saying "**** it, who knows if it'll happen" like you.

Either way I'm not resubbing for any reason (even if the cash for items of power is bull****) until the space game gets fixed/balanced.

Mikaaro
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:40:00 - [879]
 

Originally by: Jonny Utrigas
Ok, some people apparently seem to believe that all items on the market appear out of thin air.
1) all ships are built by industrial characters
2) all mods that you cannot get a blueprint for come from fighting NPCs
3) all faction/deadspace/officer gear comes from mission/exploration/complex runners
4) while AURUM comes from PLEXes, the AURUM does not have to directly involve the market in any way, and the items that come from the NEX DO in fact, come from thin air.

Even though a PLEX can be sold for ISK, the original ISK, and all items subsequently bought with that ISK came from players actively playing. THIS is why it has always been said that PLEX is different than MT.


And all the stuff bought with AURUM will be put on market for isk. This really is a problem only if stuff that is already in the market can be bought for AURUM as that would make producing that stuff by traditional means pointless (unless it would cost more than when bought with isk, but why wouldn't you just convert straight to isk) and break the economy for that item basically putting a fixed price on it (don't think they'd do that).

New items that affect gameplay could be put on sale for AURUM, but they would also be then put to market for isk. The price would have to be comparable to the power of the item or traditional items would be obsolete. Most likely the stuff would be more like the limited issue ships (like the ones won from AT or gold magnate or such) with insane prices and no real value in gameplay.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:40:00 - [880]
 

Originally by: Malias Yakusto



Yo dawg, like, that's pretty counter productive to a serious conversation about srs bizness internet spaceships.

Shoot2kilI
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:41:00 - [881]
 

Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Another six accounts reporting in for bio-mass / unsubbing when/if this get's implemented.



Forget this "when/if" stuff.

It's done. CCP *ARE* completely, 100%, ****ed. It's over.


What are you, some apostle of ***gotry? It's not a done thing until it's confirmed, all you buttmad kids hanging out in the same thread crying about some potentially-self-invented-internet-spaceships-apocalypse need to get a bit of a grip on this thing you are so vehemently angry against, real money, and go spend it out there on something aside from the super-serious space ships that have at least 50% of the people in this thread e-raging like I'm playing counter-strike again. Seriously. The last thing CCP wants to do is kill their game. They enjoy the VERY LARGE amounts of money that drivel into it by means of subscription, PLEX, events, merchandise, etc. If you guys honestly think that they will look at this thread and/or take a massive hit to their subscription base and be OK with it, just to please a small, totally unrepresented, FIGURATIVE minority, you have your head shoved so far up the Doomsayer's ass to be much use to anyone.
HEH, like them enjoying the money they get now precludes them from making a cash grab due to investor pressure or any other reason? I think you're the one with your head shoved up your ass. Is it confirmed? No. Is it likely? Possibly. I do know it's better to vehemently express just how much we don't want it in the game rather than just saying "**** it, who knows if it'll happen" like you?

Either way I'm not resubbing for any reason (even if the cash for items of power is bull****) until the space game gets fixed/balanced.

Cool story bro. While you're unsubbed and :mad: you can enjoy copious amounts of not posting on this forum to tell us just how mad you are.

I also said "If this happens (RM) I will biomass/unsub all 6 of my accounts". So yeah, I'm pretty much the definition of apathy.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:42:00 - [882]
 

@Malias
common man, there are limits of what i want to see early in the morning.

Caldreean
Dawnwalkers
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:44:00 - [883]
 

Ah well, this was as good a reason as any to finally stop playing. My account expires within the next 10 hours or so, and I'm not renewing. And no, my stuff is not leaving my hangar/wallet you greedy bastards (no, not you CCP).

The thing is, I actually liked the whole idea of the plex/timecode. Of the 55 months I've subscribed to this game, only 3 were paid for by me. The rest were from plex/timecodes my isk brought from others. It was a great idea you guys had that I spent a few years defending in the Help channel. You could have stopped there, but you didn't. Now I feel foolish. Suppose we all should have seen this coming.

So long, and thanks for all the Quafe.

Tehlana Riolis
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:45:00 - [884]
 

This is just the beginning :

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-now-sells-70-monocles/

http://www.kotaku.com.au/2011/06/eve-online-is-selling-horse-armour-in-space/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/21/controversy-brewing-over-eve-online-microtransactions/

http://www.tentonhammer.com/eve/news/eve-incarna-cosmetic-item-prices-spark-controversy

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/22/eek-eves-clothing-and-cash-crisis/

http://games.on.net/article/12949/CCP_Under_Fire_Over_Microtransactions_Licensing_Fees

http://www.evenews24.com/2011/06/22/greed-is-good-purportedly-leaked-internal-bulletin-shows-ccps-refreshing-new-direction/

http://www.vg247.com/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/

http://blog.mmoga.com/2011/06/eve-online-charging-68-real-dollars-for-space-monocles/

http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/22/rumour-leaked-document-shows-ccps-microtransaction-plans/

http://www.gbgamer.net/2011/06/22/eve-online-economy-upset-by-avatar-items/

There are many more but you get the idea...

Flex Carter
Caldari Independant Mining Association
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:45:00 - [885]
 

Ok,ok... Where the hell are the Moderators?Shocked

Malias Yakusto
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:46:00 - [886]
 


Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:47:00 - [887]
 

Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 23/06/2011 07:47:41
Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Originally by: Shoot2kilI

What are you, some apostle of ***gotry? It's not a done thing until it's confirmed, all you buttmad kids hanging out in the same thread crying about some potentially-self-invented-internet-spaceships-apocalypse need to get a bit of a grip on this thing you are so vehemently angry against, real money, and go spend it out there on something aside from the super-serious space ships that have at least 50% of the people in this thread e-raging like I'm playing counter-strike again. Seriously. The last thing CCP wants to do is kill their game. They enjoy the VERY LARGE amounts of money that drivel into it by means of subscription, PLEX, events, merchandise, etc. If you guys honestly think that they will look at this thread and/or take a massive hit to their subscription base and be OK with it, just to please a small, totally unrepresented, FIGURATIVE minority, you have your head shoved so far up the Doomsayer's ass to be much use to anyone.
HEH, like them enjoying the money they get now precludes them from making a cash grab due to investor pressure or any other reason? I think you're the one with your head shoved up your ass. Is it confirmed? No. Is it likely? Possibly. I do know it's better to vehemently express just how much we don't want it in the game rather than just saying "**** it, who knows if it'll happen" like you?

Either way I'm not resubbing for any reason (even if the cash for items of power is bull****) until the space game gets fixed/balanced.

Cool story bro. While you're unsubbed and :mad: you can enjoy copious amounts of not posting on this forum to tell us just how mad you are.

I also said "If this happens (RM) I will biomass/unsub all 6 of my accounts". So yeah, I'm pretty much the definition of apathy.
:mad:? LOL sure. I'm already well outside my paid gametime (expired 26/04) and still postin. (4 hour reactivation to check just how bad the CQ was checkin in)

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:49:00 - [888]
 

30 Pages in a thread that according to the EULA should be locked by page one along with some very disturbing posting - what has happened at ccp?

Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:49:00 - [889]
 

Hah,.. what will happen if you can buy faction standing? people would not ahve to worry anymore about fighting for one faction and ****ing of an other. It will completely kill the entire idea behing the ˇou tick them off, you deal with the consequences" idea behind running missions. You get the Žnemies abound"arc,.. sure, go ahead and kill off a ton of calentean navies. you got bad rep becouse you chose to **** them off, don't worry, just buy some rep and all is good again. Right now you actualy have to turn around and manage your standing with Gallente when you do this arc and tick them off if you ever want to pass through their space again. and do missions for them.

I'm seriouse,.. that rotten shark went to their brains,.. they lost it. Someone in here a bunch of pages back said, CCP should sell EVE... you know what,.. that would not even be such a half bad idea. for the last year and a half or two, all i've been seeing is more and more stink hitting the game.

Give it a little time and i'm sure their gona come out with a patch where they will manage to mess up even more aspects of the game that are already starting to ride on loose screws. I'm already hating the stink of this Incarna patch,... but i tell you,.. if this does not end here and people let them selves be forcefed the dong CCP is pushing down our necks, this game is gona sting worse than analkissing a skunk

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:50:00 - [890]
 

sitting it out, looking away, pretending it doesn't happen.

the usual stuff

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:51:00 - [891]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
sitting it out, looking away, pretending it doesn't happen.

the usual stuff
lol if I ignore it, it will go away!

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:54:00 - [892]
 

Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
sitting it out, looking away, pretending it doesn't happen.

the usual stuff
lol if I ignore it, it will go away!


yea well, its the credo of alot of gamers in here too, so...not much different Twisted Evil

Evanga
Amarr
Trust Doesn't Rust
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:55:00 - [893]
 

desubbed two accounts, giving away everything to a 1 day old toon soon in Jita. Keep eyes on local!
[secure]
Cause i will triple the amount of isk you sent to me as im leaving!

[/secure]

Al Gabraith
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:55:00 - [894]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
I was never so close to cancelling my 3 accounts.

Also inb4l.


I second this .. me also .. 3 accounts..

Mikaaro
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:58:00 - [895]
 

I agree that bying faction standings would be bad. Propably this too would be implemented so that you could also put it in market. Then people who don't like to use real money can gather the isk and buy a "get out of gallente jail" -card. I wouldn't like it but I could live with it.

What really would bother me is getting UI improvements like the +50 saved fittings. This would undoubtedly lead to things like "Special offer: a readable font for EVE now only 29,99"

i hatechosingnames
Gallente
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:58:00 - [896]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
sitting it out, looking away, pretending it doesn't happen.

the usual stuff


counting their $$$ and thinking up a way they can accidentally on purpose wipe the database and make us pay to get our individual characters "salvaged"

Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:59:00 - [897]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 23/06/2011 07:38:50
Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos
One thing to note regarding the validity of the document in question is after having worked at a corporate level before I can guarantee you that a statement would have been made long ago if it was a complete fabrication. What will probably occur is CCP will turn around and say that the views expressed in the document were those of the individual and not those of the company. We'll wait and see.


hehe, they are faster then you, its in the disclaimer of the document Embarassed

problem is, the view is of EVE's lead game designer, so...


Didn't see the disclaimer Smile

And yes if this guy has complete autonomy over the games direction, then it's going to be a pretty scary future for EvE.

Donatella D'Tren
Eve Defence Force
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:00:00 - [898]
 

Greed is good.

Blind, stupid greed at this level is just meh. wtb new CCP ceo, offering 50 PLEX.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:02:00 - [899]
 

So, it should be about 8AM now, anyone care to start making bets on whether this threadnaught will get a response, lock, or both?

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:02:00 - [900]
 

Edited by: Isil Rahsen on 23/06/2011 08:02:35
Originally by: Jonny Utrigas
So, it should be about 8AM now, anyone care to start making bets on whether this threadnaught will get a response, lock, or both?
Betting just a lock. and some Bans


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