open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked EVE24news bulletin real [confirmed]
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: first : previous : ... 25 26 27 28 [29] 30 31 32 33 ... : last (89)

Author Topic

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 06:52:00 - [841]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
Winning becomes a function of who has the most RL money, not who has the better tactics/stratergy/spies/whatever.

This right here is what the apologists will never understand, to them it's too hard to develop gameplay skills (real ones) and it's instant gratification or nothing. It's really sad/pathetic to think about.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 06:54:00 - [842]
 

Its the ppl who put a cheatcode in a game to master it because they feel entitled to after buying it.

And thats why every game today seems to play itself, you don't have to do alot anymore, just lean back.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2011.06.23 06:57:00 - [843]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Edited by: Black Dranzer on 23/06/2011 06:16:45
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oClM8tja5-o

Sad nostalgic music, anyone?

An Ibis in Todaki, all those years ago...

I guess all good things have to end, though.

Edit: Updated to the newer version of the song.


You're killing me Sad

Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 06:59:00 - [844]
 

Originally by: Xa Fel
Edited by: Xa Fel on 23/06/2011 04:56:27
It's from EVE News 24... How the **** are you people eating this bull**** up? Have any of you even read half the **** these guys write? It's downright Grade A FUD. Near every bit. Look at the way they word their articles and how you can highlight all the text in this amateur looking document.

This is Rivertini driving up his ad revenue on his laggy ****ing blog. For serious.

I'm pretty sure there are way more reputable places to leak this than his site, by the way. Why him? Bull****. That's why.


How much you like to belee it's fake,... This here is copy pasted straight from the Devblog,... Deffinatly no fake,.. Read it through and call it a bluff. This crap clearly shows the catatonic state of mind CCP resides in.

"subscription 2.0
reported by CCP Hammer | 2008.04.01 00:38:57 | Comments
Here at CCP we care very strongly about our product, and we're constantly evaluating new paradigms and thoughtspaces in order to better realize our Total Market Potential. Our goal is to enhance the customer experience by offering new product channels and opportunities, allowing our customers to participate through selective transactional channels and fully realize their potential as Valued Income Partners VIPs!

Today we're announcing an exciting new service family, which we're calling "Subscription 2.0". In the spirit of Web 2.0, this new Integrated Business Bundle will allow VIPs that's you! to participate in the global product community, creating your own Tailored Product Packages in a way which best matches your Ideal Product Experience.

Just as Web 2.0 is built on top of Web 1.0, Subscription 2.0 will be built on top of Subscription 1.0. We're not changing the underlying Service Provision Model you'll still be paying a monthly fee as part of your Community Participation Agreement although certain product areas will be migrated across to Subscription 2.0 in order to enhance user choice through Selective Resourcing. Subscription 2.0 will allow you to invest in optional product areas on an ad-hoc basis, so you only pay for what you actually want!

Our launch product for Subscription 2.0 will be AmmoAnywhere!, which will be fully integrated into the client next week. It does exactly what it says on the tin simply click the new "AmmoAnywhere!" button in the UI, and a new stack of ammunition will appear in your cargo hold. We've done everything we can to streamline this process, so there's no fiddling about with details and authorization: once you've set up your account to enable Subscription 2.0, clicking "AmmoAnywhere!" will automatically bill your credit card for the transaction as part of the Customer Experience Process. No hassle, no fuss, instant ammunition!

Of course, we've had to make a few changes in order to fully realize the Product Delivery Potential of this new service. First up, all weapons will now use "NanoAmmo", which automatically morphs into the desired ammunition type at the point of firing. This ensures that there's no confusion over what ammo types you need to buy, streamlining the customer experience.

Secondly, as we're projecting universal uptake for this service, we're removing the ability to manufacture ammunition in order to prevent people from erroneously utilizing manufacturing lines to build ammunition. This means more manufacturing capacity for everyone!

Contingent upon a fully realized Product Delivery Potential, we have an additional range of Subscription 2.0 services in the pipeline which will further enhance the Customer Experience Process. These include InstaClone, Dock-O-Matic, T1 and T2 releases of BlueprintNow!, and many more.

Subscription 2.0 the future is TODAY!"


Adacia Calla
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:00:00 - [845]
 

I've given CCP enough money, later.

Rex Liberium
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:01:00 - [846]
 


Alley Specter
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:01:00 - [847]
 

Originally by: Wanda Wong
Originally by: Xa Fel
Edited by: Xa Fel on 23/06/2011 04:56:27
It's from EVE News 24... How the **** are you people eating this bull**** up? Have any of you even read half the **** these guys write? It's downright Grade A FUD. Near every bit. Look at the way they word their articles and how you can highlight all the text in this amateur looking document.

This is Rivertini driving up his ad revenue on his laggy ****ing blog. For serious.

I'm pretty sure there are way more reputable places to leak this than his site, by the way. Why him? Bull****. That's why.


How much you like to belee it's fake,... This here is copy pasted straight from the Devblog,... Deffinatly no fake,.. Read it through and call it a bluff. This crap clearly shows the catatonic state of mind CCP resides in.

"subscription 2.0
reported by CCP Hammer | 2008.04.01 00:38:57 | Comments
Here at CCP we care very strongly about our product, and we're constantly evaluating new paradigms and thoughtspaces in order to better realize our Total Market Potential. Our goal is to enhance the customer experience by offering new product channels and opportunities, allowing our customers to participate through selective transactional channels and fully realize their potential as Valued Income Partners VIPs!

Today we're announcing an exciting new service family, which we're calling "Subscription 2.0". In the spirit of Web 2.0, this new Integrated Business Bundle will allow VIPs that's you! to participate in the global product community, creating your own Tailored Product Packages in a way which best matches your Ideal Product Experience.

Just as Web 2.0 is built on top of Web 1.0, Subscription 2.0 will be built on top of Subscription 1.0. We're not changing the underlying Service Provision Model you'll still be paying a monthly fee as part of your Community Participation Agreement although certain product areas will be migrated across to Subscription 2.0 in order to enhance user choice through Selective Resourcing. Subscription 2.0 will allow you to invest in optional product areas on an ad-hoc basis, so you only pay for what you actually want!

Our launch product for Subscription 2.0 will be AmmoAnywhere!, which will be fully integrated into the client next week. It does exactly what it says on the tin simply click the new "AmmoAnywhere!" button in the UI, and a new stack of ammunition will appear in your cargo hold. We've done everything we can to streamline this process, so there's no fiddling about with details and authorization: once you've set up your account to enable Subscription 2.0, clicking "AmmoAnywhere!" will automatically bill your credit card for the transaction as part of the Customer Experience Process. No hassle, no fuss, instant ammunition!

Of course, we've had to make a few changes in order to fully realize the Product Delivery Potential of this new service. First up, all weapons will now use "NanoAmmo", which automatically morphs into the desired ammunition type at the point of firing. This ensures that there's no confusion over what ammo types you need to buy, streamlining the customer experience.

Secondly, as we're projecting universal uptake for this service, we're removing the ability to manufacture ammunition in order to prevent people from erroneously utilizing manufacturing lines to build ammunition. This means more manufacturing capacity for everyone!

Contingent upon a fully realized Product Delivery Potential, we have an additional range of Subscription 2.0 services in the pipeline which will further enhance the Customer Experience Process. These include InstaClone, Dock-O-Matic, T1 and T2 releases of BlueprintNow!, and many more.

Subscription 2.0 the future is TODAY!"




That was an April Fool's Joke.

The only reason I'm not calling you an idiot is because it WAS.

Now...it's no longer a joke.

Rob Stark
Minmatar Nemzeti Front
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:04:00 - [848]
 

Way to go...

More and more outrageous f*ckup (new forum, anomaly nerf, 99 dollar, etc)
Less and less feature (Minmatar Captain's Cell as expansion)
More and more greed.

That's how you lose your "greatest asset"

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:05:00 - [849]
 

Originally by: Tobiaz
That's truly a disheartening read. Withholding basic functionality like being able to store +50 fittings just so CCP can make money of it? It's clear how deep they have fallen.

Kristoffer Touborg is CCP Soundwave by the way. It's really troubling that one of the main devs of team BFF, tasked with hammering out fixes and rebalancing, is so in love with MT. And his attitude towards the community is disgusting. He makes himself sound like a Jehova's Witness trying to convert us to his lord and saviour: Macro-Transaction.

And the part about buying faction standing or sov... WTF?! they really don't understand their own game if they don't see why it's important for the game of this being hard to get and NOT to be simply bought for RL.


The attitude and viewpoints expressed in it does match well CCP Soundwaves public comments. If it is fake its a very good likeness of him. However I lean that this is probably real.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:08:00 - [850]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
There's no such thing as bad publicity.

Given the drama surrounding the Incarna launch, you have to wonder if CCP didn't decide to go ahead and "leak" the document on the grounds that the emo-rage-butthurt can't get any worse.

All things said, it is a pretty slick and well presented document. It makes it sound as if CCP has a plan, a plan that they've put serious thought into it.




Yeah all that bad publicity in Nov/Dec 2005 didn't hurt SWG or SOE, oh wait.....

Mikaaro
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:12:00 - [851]
 

Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
A lot of what's said I don't have a major problem with. It's the items of power bit... the ammunition, ships and one assumes modules appearing in this store.

A Hello Kitty Apoc is still just a reskinned Apoc, it looks different but has the exact same stats as any other non-T2, non-Navy Apoc. The 'Total Hell Death' Apoc and it's associated guns & crystals in that store won't. It will be superior to the standard versions a player can get in game, a fair assumption to make where MTing for "items of power" is concerned.

That means I'm at a disadvantage because my, theoretical max SP for flying an Apoc can't push the tank or damage as hard as someone who has both the same amount of SP AND disposable income to burn on such.

Winning becomes a function of who has the most RL money, not who has the better tactics/stratergy/spies/whatever.

And that I can not abide. Whatever appears in that store I should have the ability, even with silly amounts of grind & random drops, to get without using my CC.


You can already buy a 'Total Hell Death' apoc with real money. Just buy timecodes, convert them to isk and get all officer fitted apoc. While you're at it you can buy a dozen titans and a hundred or so supercarriers for your alliance. Don't forget to buy a supercap capable char for every member also. Or you could just do it with silly amounts of grind & random drops.

Am I missing something here?

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:13:00 - [852]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 23/06/2011 07:14:33
Yes, alot. How about you start reading...or better, understanding.

ATM you can't buy anything thats not involved in the EVE economy (mining, production, market). If these plans are real, you will directly purchase stuff for aurum = no mining, no production, no market. Its out of the loop of the EVE econonmy.

If this still doesn't worry you, don't bother. Be happy with what is there to come.

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:14:00 - [853]
 

Originally by: Mikaaro
Originally by: Jefferson H Clay
A lot of what's said I don't have a major problem with. It's the items of power bit... the ammunition, ships and one assumes modules appearing in this store.

A Hello Kitty Apoc is still just a reskinned Apoc, it looks different but has the exact same stats as any other non-T2, non-Navy Apoc. The 'Total Hell Death' Apoc and it's associated guns & crystals in that store won't. It will be superior to the standard versions a player can get in game, a fair assumption to make where MTing for "items of power" is concerned.

That means I'm at a disadvantage because my, theoretical max SP for flying an Apoc can't push the tank or damage as hard as someone who has both the same amount of SP AND disposable income to burn on such.

Winning becomes a function of who has the most RL money, not who has the better tactics/stratergy/spies/whatever.

And that I can not abide. Whatever appears in that store I should have the ability, even with silly amounts of grind & random drops, to get without using my CC.


You can already buy a 'Total Hell Death' apoc with real money. Just buy timecodes, convert them to isk and get all officer fitted apoc. While you're at it you can buy a dozen titans and a hundred or so supercarriers for your alliance. Don't forget to buy a supercap capable char for every member also. Or you could just do it with silly amounts of grind & random drops.

Am I missing something here?
Yea you are, someone was out there possibly getting ships blown up or atleast putting in gameplay to get the mods/minerals/everything for all those ships/mods/and isk. Big difference.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:17:00 - [854]
 

Well this is disappointing. Just as I was starting to really enjoy EVE again, this happens.

I can't be bothered raging again, I don't have the energy or :care: left after last time. If that prize idiot Soundwaves ideas get implemented, it's the end.

Pity, really. EVE could have been good.

Wanda Wong
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:19:00 - [855]
 

Originally by: Alley Specter
That was an April Fool's Joke.

The only reason I'm not calling you an idiot is because it WAS.

Now...it's no longer a joke.


No, indeed you are right becouse by the looks of things this is exactly what CCP is heading moving to. Be it a joke or not i suggest you read the whole document that started this ****storm, how much of a difference is buying standing opposed to buyin ammo on a whim? You answer me this.

Flamewave
Crimson Moon Society
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:20:00 - [856]
 

Originally by: Words Words Words
ccp? no, its just me, gabe newell

Items in TF2 can be found or crafted through normal gameplay without spending one cent. Items in the NeX shop can only be created by spending real money.

It's kinda sad, really. Sad

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:20:00 - [857]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Well this is disappointing. Just as I was starting to really enjoy EVE again, this happens.

I can't be bothered raging again, I don't have the energy or :care: left after last time. If that prize idiot Soundwaves ideas get implemented, it's the end.

Pity, really. EVE could have been good.
I know how you feel, just kick back an enjoy the ride down. Should at least be good for some laughs right? right...?

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:20:00 - [858]
 

Now I know for sure what made Teadaze quit. I think I'll probably do the same, need a think about it first.

Oh and its the same document that was on a table during one of the last CSM meetings. Its very real.

Mikaaro
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:22:00 - [859]
 

Now that we're getting something other than emorage, we can actually start to discuss.

So this would basically crash EVEs economy model. Now think about that for a second. You guys actually think CCP would do this? Really? You think they're that stupid?

For me this just proves that this is a very epic troll.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:23:00 - [860]
 

Originally by: Kristal Meth
That PDF contains what may be the most obnoxious font I've ever encountered, anywhere.

That said, it is probably the all new CCP font that they'll use everywhere in game.


I really didn't think there could be a font worse then Eve in-game.

Just wow. Nearly unreadable.

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:23:00 - [861]
 

Edited by: Norian Lonark on 23/06/2011 07:24:09
Originally by: Mikaaro


You can already buy a 'Total Hell Death' apoc with real money. Just buy timecodes, convert them to isk and get all officer fitted apoc. While you're at it you can buy a dozen titans and a hundred or so supercarriers for your alliance. Don't forget to buy a supercap capable char for every member also. Or you could just do it with silly amounts of grind & random drops.

Am I missing something here?


Yes you are missing something so many people expressing their views here (me included this is the first point that has really got me on the forums with anger) arnt doing it because they hate EVE they are doing it because they love EVE. Read the document even CCP employees are questioning the MT route with the same fears that people expressing themselves on the forum have.

Shoot2kilI
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:23:00 - [862]
 

Another six accounts reporting in for bio-mass / unsubbing when/if this get's implemented.

At least they'll kill the game before Vuk can buy an RMT'd house, right?

Oh wait.

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:25:00 - [863]
 

Originally by: Mikaaro
Now that we're getting something other than emorage, we can actually start to discuss.

So this would basically crash EVEs economy model. Now think about that for a second. You guys actually think CCP would do this? Really? You think they're that stupid?

For me this just proves that this is a very epic troll.
Umm, have you seen any of the other stupid **** they've done to the economy or the game period?

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:25:00 - [864]
 

Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Another six accounts reporting in for bio-mass / unsubbing when/if this get's implemented.



Forget this "when/if" stuff.

It's done. CCP *ARE* completely, 100%, ****ed. It's over.

Jonny Utrigas
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:28:00 - [865]
 

Ok, some people apparently seem to believe that all items on the market appear out of thin air.
1) all ships are built by industrial characters
2) all mods that you cannot get a blueprint for come from fighting NPCs
3) all faction/deadspace/officer gear comes from mission/exploration/complex runners
4) while AURUM comes from PLEXes, the AURUM does not have to directly involve the market in any way, and the items that come from the NEX DO in fact, come from thin air.

Even though a PLEX can be sold for ISK, the original ISK, and all items subsequently bought with that ISK came from players actively playing. THIS is why it has always been said that PLEX is different than MT.

Mikaaro
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:31:00 - [866]
 

Originally by: Isil Rahsen
Originally by: Mikaaro
Now that we're getting something other than emorage, we can actually start to discuss.

So this would basically crash EVEs economy model. Now think about that for a second. You guys actually think CCP would do this? Really? You think they're that stupid?

For me this just proves that this is a very epic troll.
Umm, have you seen any of the other stupid **** they've done to the economy or the game period?


The economy still works way better than any other MMO and in the years I've played the game has improved a lot. Granted incarna as it is is just stupid, but I'll at least stick around to see where it actually goes before I condemn it.

Isil Rahsen
Gallente
Ferrum Superum
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:31:00 - [867]
 

Originally by: Jonny Utrigas
Ok, some people apparently seem to believe that all items on the market appear out of thin air.
1) all ships are built by industrial characters
2) all mods that you cannot get a blueprint for come from fighting NPCs
3) all faction/deadspace/officer gear comes from mission/exploration/complex runners
4) while AURUM comes from PLEXes, the AURUM does not have to directly involve the market in any way, and the items that come from the NEX DO in fact, come from thin air.

Even though a PLEX can be sold for ISK, the original ISK, and all items subsequently bought with that ISK came from players actively playing. THIS is why it has always been said that PLEX is different than MT.
THIS THIS THIS Holy tap dancing christ THIS a million times. FFS How do you people play a game like this and not know how things are made?!

Patches Donnarblizen
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:32:00 - [868]
 

this is really sad...

just to make an example:
if I play chess and I lose my Queen I would not want to buy her back with real money, even if the game would allow it. It destroys the immersion a game should reflect and the illusion of somehow equal playing grounds for everyone participating in a game.

This will result definitely in an account unsub from my side...

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:32:00 - [869]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 23/06/2011 07:33:54
Originally by: Mikaaro
Now that we're getting something other than emorage, we can actually start to discuss.

So this would basically crash EVEs economy model. Now think about that for a second. You guys actually think CCP would do this? Really? You think they're that stupid?

For me this just proves that this is a very epic troll.


i know i sound like an arrogant prick, but damn, just put 10min into google and search for MT-games and how they work.

They will add items ON TOP of the current ones, so ppl buy them. Its the usual 2 way street in MT games, some stuff for the plebs who don't pay (or try to) and are the sheep/victims for the other ones, who pay, and get better items.

Its like all T3 stuff would be AURUM only (incl frigs, BS, caps). Without production and WH, the items spawn once you buy them.

Now tell me that would be a great sandbox to play in?

EDIT: btw, CCP knows this is risky, they talk about this in the PDF. They just think they can do it better then all the other companies that tried. Laughing

Shoot2kilI
Caldari
Unchained Potential
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:33:00 - [870]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: Shoot2kilI
Another six accounts reporting in for bio-mass / unsubbing when/if this get's implemented.



Forget this "when/if" stuff.

It's done. CCP *ARE* completely, 100%, ****ed. It's over.


What are you, some apostle of ***gotry? It's not a done thing until it's confirmed, all you buttmad kids hanging out in the same thread crying about some potentially-self-invented-internet-spaceships-apocalypse need to get a bit of a grip on this thing you are so vehemently angry against, real money, and go spend it out there on something aside from the super-serious space ships that have at least 50% of the people in this thread e-raging like I'm playing counter-strike again. Seriously. The last thing CCP wants to do is kill their game. They enjoy the VERY LARGE amounts of money that drivel into it by means of subscription, PLEX, events, merchandise, etc. If you guys honestly think that they will look at this thread and/or take a massive hit to their subscription base and be OK with it, just to please a small, totally unrepresented, FIGURATIVE minority, you have your head shoved so far up the Doomsayer's ass to be much use to anyone.


Pages: first : previous : ... 25 26 27 28 [29] 30 31 32 33 ... : last (89)

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only