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Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:06:00 - [31]
 

CCPs internal language is English (makes sense once you have international workers)

Quetazoid
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:07:52
nice leak.

and I agree with the statement Greed is Good:

lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

Infact, the richer get poorer (PLEX prices go up), that faction POS (or sub) will cost more.
The Poorer become richer (many sell PLEX for ISK) more expensive PLEX means more money for people who do MT.

So given the above paragraph, can someone point out the evil here? All I see is more of a equalizer between the rich and the poor (both in and out of game).

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:07:00 - [33]
 

You missed a big one:

"Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency - the AUR - at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship."


Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:08:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Myra2007
Mynxee said on twitter she's glad this has gone public. Sounds to me like she believes it is real - maybe for a reason. If this is a fake it is an extremely labor intensive one. It's a real eye opener if it's real.


TeaDaze says that we haven't seen anything yet, and current CSM members are saying the CSM minutes are going to ignite another wave of rage.

Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:08:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Strecs Moliko
Why is it in English?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_language


Because CCP is a global business with tons of people who don't speak the native tongue?

Tobiaz
Spacerats
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:08:00 - [36]
 

That's truly a disheartening read. Withholding basic functionality like being able to store +50 fittings just so CCP can make money of it? It's clear how deep they have fallen.

Kristoffer Touborg is CCP Soundwave by the way. It's really troubling that one of the main devs of team BFF, tasked with hammering out fixes and rebalancing, is so in love with MT. And his attitude towards the community is disgusting. He makes himself sound like a Jehova's Witness trying to convert us to his lord and saviour: Macro-Transaction.

And the part about buying faction standing or sov... WTF?! they really don't understand their own game if they don't see why it's important for the game of this being hard to get and NOT to be simply bought for RL.

Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:08:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Strecs Moliko
Why is it in English?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_language


CCP has departments in other countries, so English is probably the corporate language i.e. all written materials must be in English. It's a common policy for businesses in small countries.

Janus Talmash
Talmash Imports and Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:08:00 - [38]
 

As stated in the other thread; CCP Soundwave can go die in a fire, and any and all other CCP jokers that think like him.

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:09:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Hra Neuvosto
>paying ISK for more saved fittings

Rolling Eyes


It's a good idea. Paying more for a virtual shirt than a real life one, is not, and generally the reason I unsubbed. This level of incompetence has me believing I can throw all the valuta (micro, macro or subscription fees) I want at this game, it's not going to get any better (in fact, lack of balancing and generally not fixing what actually needs fixing will just slowly erode this game and it's playerbase -given the fact how many bittervets and lame memes we have to endure on this forum).

SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:09:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
You missed a big one:

"Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency - the AUR - at appropriate rates. No pair of pants, no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly, it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship."




a monocle is worth more than a vindicator *gasps*

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:09:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 22/06/2011 21:09:43
@Quetazoid
please for the love of sanity, go play one of those MT games and come back, you don't seem to understand the implications and risks (CCP even talks about the risks in the document, they know, but they think they can do it better then EVERYONE ELSE...as we have seen he?).

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:10:00 - [42]
 

The second microtransactions can be used to gain real advantage (ships, ammo, etc.) rather than Ken and Barbie fashion I will let my account expire and retire from Eve.

Zachstar
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:11:00 - [43]
 

Folks please remain calm and wait for CCP to say something first.

A) We know their biz department has not exactly done good for the company's image lately. I suspect in my opinion this may be a continuation of it and possibly employment termination is on the horizon again in my opinion.

B) For those of us who keep up with tech. BS "Leaks" are as common as stars in the sky. Don't post defamation based on a document that could be suspect.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:12:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 22/06/2011 21:12:51
Originally by: Zachstar
Folks please remain calm and wait for CCP to say something first.

A) We know their biz department has not exactly done good for the company's image lately. I suspect in my opinion this may be a continuation of it and possibly employment termination is on the horizon again in my opinion.

B) For those of us who keep up with tech. BS "Leaks" are as common as stars in the sky. Don't post defamation based on a document that could be suspect.


You don't seem to understand:(IF THIS IS LEGIT) CCP Soundwave is THE EVE LEAD GAME DESIGNER appointed and appraised at fanfest by Hilmar. This is not a slip, this is where EVE will go, end of story.

Selene D'Celeste
Caldari
The D'Celeste Trading Company
ISK Six
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:12:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Selene D''Celeste on 22/06/2011 21:13:36
It's also probably good that this is public. CCP has been less than forward with letting its core playerbase know what they are planning. The sad thing is that they could probably go ahead with many of their plans if they weren't both insulting and incompetent with it all.

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Originally by: Zachstar
Folks please remain calm and wait for CCP to say something first.

A) We know their biz department has not exactly done good for the company's image lately. I suspect in my opinion this may be a continuation of it and possibly employment termination is on the horizon again in my opinion.

B) For those of us who keep up with tech. BS "Leaks" are as common as stars in the sky. Don't post defamation based on a document that could be suspect.


You don't seem to understand: CCP Soundwave is THE EVE LEAD GAME DESIGNER appointed and appraised at fanfest by Hilmar. This is not a slip, this is where EVE will go, end of story.


Yep, CCP has already committed to their path. They just weren't willing to admit what it was because, as it mentions in the newsletter, they get cruicified when they're honest. They probably should have thought about this more.

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:13:00 - [46]
 

This truly does make me sad if this is indeed real.

I have played eve for so long because its different, because its harsh because you don't have instant wins and short-cuts. I have always liked the vision and ideas and the whole complete sci-fi experience but this if real is starting to go down the wrong path IMO and if this is what is coming and going to be implemented it will be the end for me.

I'm not against change and development to add and progress but this is a fundamental change of the foundations of what EVE means to myself and I am sure a lot of players.



Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:14:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 21:14:12

Can somebody check the META DATA in the PDF?

Can somebody post the meta data here please so I can see it?


I cannot download it it keeps saying size mistmatch.


Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:15:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Quetazoid
lets explore the possibility of having to buy a item, for Example a faction POS with micro-plex.

Use ISK, convert to plex, convert to arum, buy POS.

How different is that to:

Use ISK, buy POS?

In the first example the POS is magicked into existence through the MT. In the second example the POS BPC would have to be found by a player, then built with minerals mined or refined by players and put on the market for sale.

Alexas Kateiwa
Caldari
Aikoku Inc.
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:16:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Arrs Grazznic
The second microtransactions can be used to gain real advantage (ships, ammo, etc.) rather than Ken and Barbie fashion I will let my account expire and retire from Eve.


Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:16:00 - [50]
 

HTTP Error 503: The requested service is unavailable

The service you requested is temporarily unavailable
The service may be unavailable because the server has reached the limit of the number of requests it is willing to serve in parallel. This number depends on the type of request you were submitting. If the document you requested was a dynamic document it may be that the application generating these documents is currently not running.



Alley Specter
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:16:00 - [51]
 

Judging from the less than flattering descriptions of the authors in the pdf, I'm inclined to believe this is fake.

Quote: "Kristoffer is a driving force in CCP's Game Design Department. The vast majority of his free time is spent buying dresses for his characters (using microtransactions) in League of Legends and reading authentic Japanese Manga comic books."

And you guys are falling for this? Really?

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:16:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku


"One other service we're looking at is selling faction standings. We want to offer convenience"...(hahaha)



Hope not, this would put me out of business.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:17:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 22/06/2011 21:22:47
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 21:14:12

Can somebody check the META DATA in the PDF?

Can somebody post the meta data here please so I can see it?


I cannot download it it keeps saying size mistmatch.



only info is that it has been created with InDesign CS5 - no author/title/... fields

edit: I tend to believe that this "leak" is real - the "hobby" comparison has appeared in CCP communications only very recently (afaik) and was never properly explained by CCP (so it is assumed that other CCP employees are familiar with it).
The leaked document is supposedly about a month old and gives a plausible explanation for the "hobbies" CCP is comparing MMOs to (average golfer spending 3,000$/year).

Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:17:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Alley Specter

And you guys are falling for this? Really?


Never underestimate you fellow eve players.

Alexas Kateiwa
Caldari
Aikoku Inc.
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:18:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 21:14:12

Can somebody check the META DATA in the PDF?

Can somebody post the meta data here please so I can see it?


I cannot download it it keeps saying size mistmatch.




The PDF was created 5/20/2011 3:47:40 PM and modified 6/22/2011 12:22:57

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:18:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 21:18:49
Originally by: Florestan Bronstein
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 22/06/2011 21:14:12

Can somebody check the META DATA in the PDF?

Can somebody post the meta data here please so I can see it?


I cannot download it it keeps saying size mistmatch.



only info is that it has been created with InDesign CS5 - no authero/title/... fields



Load it up into Notepad and browse / search there.

You could also grep out PDF markup keywords to make it easier. (search online for a markup keyword spec and dangly bits so you can use that as a removal list).


Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:19:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Alley Specter
Judging from the less than flattering descriptions of the authors in the pdf, I'm inclined to believe this is fake.

Quote: "Kristoffer is a driving force in CCP's Game Design Department. The vast majority of his free time is spent buying dresses for his characters (using microtransactions) in League of Legends and reading authentic Japanese Manga comic books."

And you guys are falling for this? Really?


First, its nothing new that internal documents contain jokes about ppl that everyone knows (no need to describe who he is, its an internal document, we do this alot where i work too).

And if its fake, so what, it was a good read.

Ira Theos
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:19:00 - [58]
 

Well I guess Eve really IS dieing now...

I guess it really is time time to pull the plug on the account.

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:19:00 - [59]
 

I really like the swimming pool analogy:
Quote:
Summer is coming and people are flocking to swimming pool. You usually have to pay an entrance fee, but at least in Reykjavik you get free towels now, I hear.
Next summer people will be flocking to play DUST 514. There will be an entrance fee, but we will make sure to also provide some proverbial free towels. We will be charging for the swimming goggles, though.


When I go to the swimming pool I take my own goggles. I take it that means I will be allowed to import my own "vanity" and my own "win game" items into the game.

Quetazoid
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:20:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Quetazoid on 22/06/2011 21:22:38
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 22/06/2011 21:09:43
@Quetazoid
please for the love of sanity, go play one of those MT games and come back, you don't seem to understand the implications and risks (CCP even talks about the risks in the document, they know, but they think they can do it better then EVERYONE ELSE...as we have seen he?).


Hi,
I understand things like buying more ship load-out saves and features that add functionality will kill the game (even for me), as I see that as withholding features from the players. 'buying' faction is also game breaking for me, I swear I'll quit should that happen, as these are CCP endorsed 'hacks' to gameplay (that includes magic'ing ships out of the air).
But please explain to me the evil in inflation of PLEX prices (which is really the end result here).
x isk = x aurm
IF I buy items for Aurm then PLEX prices go up.
If Plex prices go up then people who choose to buy plex (ALOT of which do already) get a better deal.

The bottom line here is, those who buy PLEX with ISK to sub to their account will find it harder to afford, and the rich don't want to share thier ISK with poor people who sell plex for ISK; so I ask you also who is greedy?

If you argue that buying a T-shirt or eyeglass is pointless waste of ISK, well, I could sell a PLEX, buy a faction ship and get it blobbed in one night; read ' I'll get the same amount of enjoyment out of a T-shirt or Ship'


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