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Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:22:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
Forgive me but they seem like some pretty minor sacrifices for where CCP want to take Incarna... remeber this is nowhere near the finished product for walking in stations etc... do you not think that in 3-5 years this feature might have the ability to be awesome? Walk in a box now, walk on planets/in ships interacting with all sorts of people/items/buildings in the future.... seems to make sense to me...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ROFLMMFAO!
Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Low-Sec is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Cosmos missions are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Faction Warfare is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Sov Upgrades are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Pattern much?

Galandole Tsuramananda
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:25:00 - [122]
 

I hate Incarna because my bros saved me a nice seat in that bandwagon over there.

Hesperius
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:26:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Wait...what? From what I can tell it is players like you that discourage new players from even trying EVE because of your whiney p.i.s.s-poor, holier-than-thou, I'm a vet and new players have to kiss my ass because I have spent time in this game longer than you. Well guess what "little miss peaches and cream, and I'm a vet, and I earned my right to diss new players", you do not have the right to do squat - especially slam a new player that is for the first time coming to play this great MMORPG.

If you have an issue, take it up with CCP, but do not slam a new player for expressing their opinion of the game even if it is not one you agree with. You are not EVE...we are a community made up of many players and it takes more than you, or just me, to make the game what it is. This new player is just one of many that I am sure will find EVE more to their liking now that there appears to be a glimmer of hope that this game will actually be more than a game of spreadsheets.

So go crawl back into whatever basement you crawled out of shut your proverbial pie-hole, because it is players like you that give this game a bad reputation.


Um no. I'm a new player who knows Eve pretty well. That was all in regards to WoW players in general who come to Eve, not new players. I know there are always exceptions but in general WoW players come here and expect WoW in space and make a big stink when it isn't.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 09:44:07
Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 09:31:15
Originally by: Hesperius
Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Wait...what? From what I can tell it is players like you that discourage new players from even trying EVE because of your whiney p.i.s.s-poor, holier-than-thou, I'm a vet and new players have to kiss my ass because I have spent time in this game longer than you. Well guess what "little miss peaches and cream, and I'm a vet, and I earned my right to diss new players", you do not have the right to do squat - especially slam a new player that is for the first time coming to play this great MMORPG.

If you have an issue, take it up with CCP, but do not slam a new player for expressing their opinion of the game even if it is not one you agree with. You are not EVE...we are a community made up of many players and it takes more than you, or just me, to make the game what it is. This new player is just one of many that I am sure will find EVE more to their liking now that there appears to be a glimmer of hope that this game will actually be more than a game of spreadsheets.

So go crawl back into whatever basement you crawled out of shut your proverbial pie-hole, because it is players like you that give this game a bad reputation.


Um no. I'm a new player who knows Eve pretty well. That was all in regards to WoW players in general who come to Eve, not new players. I know there are always exceptions but in general WoW players come here and expect WoW in space and make a big stink when it isn't.


Generalize much. I am a player of WoW as well as EVE. I have been playing EVE on and off since its inception so I must ask, what gives you the right to speak on behalf of the rest of us players and condemn a player merely because they play or once played WoW.

I have news for you, EVE, like WOW has it's share of ass-hats and clowns, and right now you fit easily into that catagory.

Ozymondias Harshe
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:42:00 - [125]
 

I love CCP and EVE. Have since I started playing almost two years ago. I have followed the new expansions with great enthusiasm and joy in that time. I have also spent plenty of time reading the rage on forums every time something new was released. I always laughed it off as 'people hating change' and 'elitists demanding entitlements'. This is the first expansions that has gotten me to chime in.
I can appreciate what ccp is trying to do and where they are taking the game. I love the fact that they want to add to the realistic nature of the game with in station walk around and social interaction. I applaud their efforts. For the most part no one is being forced to do much in station if they don't want to. But that's the problem that they are being forced to do anything in station they don't want to. Especially when there are so many issues being reported.
That's the next problem I have being going over forums for a few hours now since I originally came on to post a minor bug. Tons of reports of real problems ontop of the usual amount of hate AND NO RESPONSE. No 'hey we'll look into this' no 'we hear you and this is our plan to fix it' not even a 'sorry lads that's the way it is and if you don't like it there is the airlock'. NOTHING AT ALL. This is not what I have come to expect from a company that does a great deal to care for their consumers.
As if to show they really don't care about us there it is in great big letters the ultimate proof that someone has lost all touch with the customer base. 3600 AU for a single pair of pants. Oh sure it's a mere 500,000,000 isk. Some can crank that out int less than a day. But its the fact that someone was forced to pay 30+ US for a pair of pants that the graphic rendering in the current CQ system will turn to mush anyway. CCP is telling us that that pair of pants is more important that a month of playing the game we all love so much. More than our ships and modules. I can honestly say I have never paid more for a outfit that my car. and my car doesn't help me further the cause of my empire. How is that not trashing eve lore.


So in conclusion you asked why the anger of Incarna? Why the rage and frustration? As far as I can tell it was because EVE was a game beloved by many not just because of it's thrilling content but also because UNTIL INCARNA CCP has been there for us the subscriber. Treating us with respect and not as cash cows. Feeling out the community, taking care of our needs and even sometimes our wants. Following there dreams to make a truly wonderful game be all that they wanted it to be but taking us along with them for the ride not just tying us to the back of the car like so many MMOs. Perhaps some have just gotten to used to the good life and that makes this apparent abandonment so much harder to swallow. Some of these problems are an easy fix some are more complicated I withhold final judgment until I see some response, any response from CCP.

I hope that provides you with an unbiased look at the logic behind the rage and I hope that I haven't offended anyone by including them in a generalized statement they see as false.
(posted here in hope it gets seen by some one at CCP)

Wacktopia
Sicarius.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:45:00 - [126]
 

Because of the total abomination that is MT and the NeX store that they have piggy-backed onto it.

The CQ is pretty cool imo - appart from the fact that you have to leave your pod even to re-ship (geez Mad)


strive nails
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 - [127]
 

it's next to worthless. you'll know when you turn off station environment and suddenly realize you're not missing anything.

what ****es me off? is that some idiot over there decided it would be a good idea to invest THOUSANDS of developer hours into such useless stuff, imagine if all that time could have been spent working on actual spaceships, which is what 90%+ of the playerbase are paying for.

oh yes, the 'paying for' argument. the players pay ccp money, ccp delivers a game and future improvements upon that game (and please don't get into -other games expansions cost money- because the ccp 'expansions' have FAR LESS content than any of the free content patches WoW and Rift have, so let's be realistic on this mkay?). now they are obviously using that money to develop a freaking single player CQ which doesnt really do ANYTHING for the game now, does it? and put a 'microtransactions' store right next to it, which is also ridiculously EMPTY and excessively OVERPRICED.

i don't hate incarna, i just think it is utterly bad and therefore, for manymany people out there, completely worthless. i don't hate it, i hate the guy who thought it would be a good idea to spend such an amount of resources into worthless features instead of working on either new fun stuff for SPACE or FIX some of the issues out there. he should actually get fired over this, because the lack of judgement is just astounding.

Hesperius
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:57:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
Generalize much.

Yes. I said it was and that there are exceptions.

Originally by: Khira Kitamatsu
what gives you the right

This

Righteous Deeds
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:57:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: Righteous Deeds on 22/06/2011 10:01:50
Originally by: Fredfredbug4

Could someone please explain the logic in the most unbiased way possible. All the people against Incarna look like to me are just grizzled vets who don't want the game to change in any way.


Not very perceptive.

The issue is CPU/GPU cycles wasted on pointless eye candy that sacrifices game content in favor of a poor attempt at revenue generation. All that is required to make people happy is the ability to opt out to the old hangar screen and skip the resource hogging graphics that serve no useful purpose.

This is not likely to happen, as the intent will be to force people into the CQ and require them to deal with their avatars. This will be done to advertise to the captive audience, in the hope that it will drive a handful more players to purchase these silly clothing items and generate more revenue.

I can't imagine there's not some programmers at CCP thinking "I told them so" today.

Maeve Kelly
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:18:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Hesperius
Originally by: MaEVE Kelly
Incarna is what BROUGHT me to EVE and if CCP continues to do what they say they will do, EVE may just replace World of Warcraft for me.

The thing that really bothers people is that EVE is a huge project. It takes a lot of time and money to create it. A lot of people have been helping the construction of EVE as we play it as its built. CCP appears to be envious of the money Blizzard makes and they are willing to destroy what they have created and throw the people who helped them get this far under a bus to attract players like you, who have raged and made articles trying to make people who play EVE look like we need to be locked up because they (you?) didn't understand the nature of EVE and would never have helped CCP make it this far.

That what I think at least.


Well, you really didn't think then. You know NOTHING about me as a gamer and yet you personally attack me and state that I and people like me are the ones responsible for ruining EVE. Let me tell you something, CCP is doing what it needs to do to be competitive by expanding their game to attract additional types of gamers. Yes, you are right it takes a lot of time and money to create a game. And it isn't a matter of envy but a matter of economics. If you were the owner of CCP, wouldn't you like the kind of resources Blizzard or EA Games has in order to put back into the game?

Look, whether you like it or not, there is a HUGE market for people who want to play "space Barbies" and engage in personal interactions with their characters. How much time did you spend on your avatar? Looks like some people take a LOT of creating their avatars and commenting on others. There are even whole threads on it here. So they must care on SOME level about their "space Barbie". There are some that just take it a little further. So what....let them hang out in the space station and those that want to blow stuff up can get in their little ships and fly out into space and blow stuff up.

What some of you are missing is; those new peeps that want to hang out in the station and dress up in the new gear need to make in game money SOME way. They are going to bring in opportunity for those wanting to "blow stuff up". They will be ignorant and inexperienced. And as the saying goes, “a fool and his money are soon parted”. They WILL be part of what the game is about.

And if CCP continues to take it further to add run-and-gun FPS combat, here come another group of gamers and another aspect of the game generating even more opportunity: welcome Dust 514.

Now, if you don't like these additional aspects, you don't have to partake in them. Continue farming ore, pirating or salvaging, warring on other factions or corporations. If that is ALL you want to do, Incarna is not stopping that.

Maeve Kelly
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:21:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Maeve Kelly on 22/06/2011 10:21:11
Originally by: Hesperius
Um no. I'm a new player who knows EVE pretty well. That was all in regards to WoW players in general who come to EVE, not new players. I know there are always exceptions but in general WoW players come here and expect WoW in space and make a big stink when it isn't.


This WoW player did NOT expect WoW in space. I knew what EVE was and it just didn't have an aspect of games that I like. I like role playing and it is hard to role play a ship. Having a character that walks around and interacts with their environment and other players is why I play other games. I love the SIMS because of what that game offers. I also like WoW for what it offers. And while there is some attraction for me to "blow stuff up", it just wasn't enough. I need my character. And a majority of the gaming public thinks that way. It is why Blizzard and EA Games hold the top spots in sales, fan base and subscriptions. And now that CCP is offering this in EVE, well, here I am. I have everything I want in one game.

So you might want to think a little more before you over generalize and jump on a new person and point the finger at them. All it will do is run off someone else that was willing to put money in CCP's hands that in turn will provide them the assets to invest in their product.

And it comes off as even more smug because you are not even a vet and yet you are speaking like YOU are one of the "people who helped them [CCP] get this far” and are being thrown under the bus. I didn’t know your investment in PLAYING a game, that you might even be playing for FREE if you are making enough ISK to buy Plex, entitled you to dictate what a company does with that game.

Good job.... Rolling Eyes

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:37:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Maeve Kelly
stuff

Your whole assesment breaks down in the face of reality.

Because in reality, when you branch out to open up new alleys you really need to step your game up and do it right. You can'T go "Hey we're now going to build the Batmobile!!" and then forget to bring the damn wheels.

Doing it right involves:
- not alienating your core playerbase
- not implementing stuff that's not finished
- not taking away stuff that has proven to be useful, stable and appreciated
- implementing gameplay, not placeholders
- realising that in games having choice is always better, especially when you need to cater to an MMO audience which has proven to be not very enthusiastic when it comes to hardware requirements.

What brings more people to this game, or any game for that matter is decent gameplay. Incarna is lacking decent gameplay.

I could care less about what the future might bring, because if there's one thing the eight+ years I've been around here have teached me... then that would be the fact that CCP totally suck when it comes to following up on, improving and iterating on what they've implemented. Prime example: Sound engine. It sucks ass ever since it was "updated". Nothing has been done to fix it, ever.

Ssakaa
Minmatar
Metropolis Moods
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:44:00 - [133]
 

Edited by: Ssakaa on 22/06/2011 10:46:35
Was going to make a new thread, but I'll simply add in some additional views in this one. Role-players needn't read, because most of the following may not float their kissed-out red floatboats.

Character immersion/emotive connection with avatar.

Love it. For the first time since 2008, I can identify with my EVE avatar, rather than the backside of a spaceship. Any 'emotional attachment' I had previously built up for her magnified almost immediately to surprising levels. I spent a lot of time on her 'story' over the years -yesterday she embodied the work put in.

Despite the poor frame rate, with all settings at low (mea culpa for using a Radeon card, no less), when my main character starts examining her fingernails when she's not taking a walking tour of the CQ -an astoundingly co-incidental personal touch across all my characters in all the RP MMOs that I still enjoy - I was sold. Naturally, this is a subjective thing, but somehow, I really want this to be the start of a new EVE -where character involvement/interaction must come first -as in all good storytelling, Sci-Fi or otherwise. I'd like to hear the views of other IGS readers/contributors on this subj.

Anyway, I applaud CCP for this move towards a more fleshed-out universe. Bravo.

Nexus

Prices are silly if not outright absurd, clearly.

Edit:

CCP -- If customers are actually losing hardware and a host of less serious issues, as is reported, then this is disquieting if not outright worrying from your corporate perspective, no?

In short, love the direction this is taking us, but there seems to be more than a few angry paying customers who you'll need to answer, ASAP.


Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:51:00 - [134]
 

Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 10:52:26
Edited by: Khira Kitamatsu on 22/06/2011 10:51:41
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Originally by: Maeve Kelly
stuff

Your whole assesment breaks down in the face of reality.

Because in reality, when you branch out to open up new alleys you really need to step your game up and do it right. You can'T go "Hey we're now going to build the Batmobile!!" and then forget to bring the damn wheels.

Doing it right involves:
- not alienating your core playerbase
- not implementing stuff that's not finished
- not taking away stuff that has proven to be useful, stable and appreciated
- implementing gameplay, not placeholders
- realising that in games having choice is always better, especially when you need to cater to an MMO audience which has proven to be not very enthusiastic when it comes to hardware requirements.

What brings more people to this game, or any game for that matter is decent gameplay. Incarna is lacking decent gameplay.

I could care less about what the future might bring, because if there's one thing the eight+ years I've been around here have teached me... then that would be the fact that CCP totally suck when it comes to following up on, improving and iterating on what they've implemented. Prime example: Sound engine. It sucks ass ever since it was "updated". Nothing has been done to fix it, ever.



First - CCP is, you know, rolling out more to Incarna over the next few months. They stated this was merely the first of many parts of this expansion. So you, nor I, or anyone can claim to be in the know as to what CCP has in store for EVE. As for your "alienating your core player base", what aspects of the current game play did they change? Right now they have change very little as to how the game plays. In fact they stated that they will be changing things in the future(as soon as this December - they stated they all ready have people looking at Bounty system, Sov system, and many other O.O aspects of EVE) - so your argument falls on its face right there.

In fact your whole spiel is bad - you still play EVE despite all that you claim is wrong with it. If you really felt the way you do, you'd have quit long ago. If CCP is such a bad game company - put your money where your mouth is and unsubscribe - today. Simple as that.

Hartzenen
Amarr
Excellence.
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:53:00 - [135]
 

What i hate about Incarna:
1) Useless station enviroment
2) That new station enviroment is not needed at all - they could just limit it to the balcony, if they wanted this **** so much.
2) CCP have proven to be moneyhungry developers which chose money over playr community (in case of creating an eyecandy to bring new players to the game)
3) New icons of turrets are just UGLY, give us our old icons please.
4) New gate sentry laser effect is ugly and too thin.

What eveonline devs have been doing all this time? This worthless CQ? This idiotic item-mall?
I turned of CQ just after 5 mins of playing - i usually play in 2 or more windows, like most part of eve players and don't want that useless and laggish thing. And now i have to stare at some ugly wallpaper? Give us our old hangar please and make presentations to new players using your CQ - it is all it's capable for.

Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:59:00 - [136]
 

O let me see...

ITS FRACKING MANDATORY !!!!

It breaks immersion being forced out of my pod every time I dock.

Its extremely heavy on my PC, I have to lower my games settings for it to run smoothly but by doing so the rest of the game which still runs fine looks like crap. My framerate go's from 60+ (outside station) to -15 (in the CQ) on my normal settings on a very powerfull 2000 dollar gaming laptop.

I can no longer easily right click my ship to get the drop down menu. Instead I have to use go to my hangar window. Dragging items into my ships or opening its cargo hold by clicking it was also removed.

O right I forgot something... 80 DOLLAR MONOCLES!!!!!!!

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:01:00 - [137]
 

I hate incarna because it fried my cpu and motherboard


http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1533223

Le Meistars
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:06:00 - [138]
 

When some of the CCP devs mentioned League of Legends as an example on eve tv (i gues it was AT finals day) suddenly it became clear what CCP wnat to achieve YARRRR!! Well... i cant blame them.. if i wanted to earn money for the same product I would do the same Twisted Evil
The difference is .. You dont need to subscribe for LoL
Eve... now u will need sub. and make some extra microtransaction Twisted Evil


Kasriel
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:08:00 - [139]
 

Edited by: Kasriel on 22/06/2011 11:18:03
let's see

captains quarters with clunky movement controls but ok you can turn that off and look at a door instead.. great
and what can you do in there? sit down and admire the horrible lighting, awesome i like the holograms, but that's about it

no more double click to open cargo.. well that's annoying

stupidly overpriced "micro"transactions (i mean come on)

implants disappearing

having to talk to an agent to get station info off them because it's magically vanished

changing icons for (so far i've noticed) strip miners, salvagers and tractors (looks like CCP are doing the whole "realism = brown" thing)

no more ship spinning

standing info STILL missing

Quote:
Does it ruin EVE lore? Nope

actually yes it does, let's see you magically INSTANTLY appear from your pod - which you're wired into - fully clothed, your apparently now clothed in your pod - with indestructable clothes and eye implant no less, oh and let's see EVERY station in game is now magically minmatar


honestly i try not to complain about patches but i just fail to see any up side from this at all, we've got captains quarters which every single person i've spoken to has turned off after a quick walk around, we've got CCP basically delivering a big **** you to people with the 'micro'transactions oh and new turrets which after a few hours (at most) you'll go back to not paying any attention to

point out the actual content again please? sure they fixed a few bugs but honestly the only thing from this entire "expansion" that i was interested in was putting the standings back in the game which says something really doesn't it, that the thing i'm looking forward to most is something they removed after completely ignoring their players all screaming saying it was bloody stupid to remove it in the first place

*edit*

also just me or has the quality of the expansions/patches for eve gone downhill in the last 6-12months? used to be very rare that we had a small bug fixing patch after a content patch now it seems like they're commonplace, and for the people saying "well you try updating a game like eve with no bugs" i'm not saying i don't expect bugs but i do expect MAJOR bugs to be caught in testing be it in QA or SISI. Hell i know incarna is a big patch, lots can go wrong but look at the amount of known issues with this patch compared to say the entire graphics engine being overhauled

Kazundo Gouda
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:11:00 - [140]
 

'Hate' is abit much of a reaction to Incarna, best reserved for the emo.

I dont like incarna as i think the 'freedom' this feature offers will mostly only be abused as soon as people can interact with each other in character view. I predict that due to the average ultra-nerd playing Eve, walking around in stations will probabily end up with people just doing stuff like trying to make their characters look like drag queens and look like they're humping stuff and other people.

One day soon, getting into Goonswarm will prob require you to stand your character in a station environment and endure a 'gang-bang' of dry-humping from a bunch of geeks bashing a 'hop' key.

As long as CCP make it so players can always opt out of this character view rubbish, all will be fine.

Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:34:00 - [141]
 

Edited by: Herring on 22/06/2011 11:44:25
For me it's pretty simple. Bought this computer in 2008 new and it won't run the client. Still looking for ways to fix that, but money is extremely tight since I lost my job. For other people though, some summaries:

1. New shiny clothing in the game that is far too expensive. More expensive than 90% or more people IRL would be willing to pay for the same items irl, ever. They think ccp are being greedy bastards. I think the fictionalized animation someone made about the intent there might be right on the money. When they drop the prices by 70% and people start buying them in hordes, it's still going to be far more expensive than a traditional MICROtransaction game.
In this regard I think they might be greedy bastards (and also not very smart), but I also agree with people that say you can avoid this part of the game by just not participating in it. If they set the precedent for offering ships in the NEX store I'd have to believe people would suicide gank them on principle.

2. Game focus. A large percentage of the coding seems to have gone into the incarna release without very much content introduction. Some people think that being able to walk around in stations should not trump say, classic gameplay in space (content, bugfixes or improvements) or other problems that seem to have existed for years without being addressed or even looked at. I can understand this point of view and I agree with it.

3. Hardware favoring. Many people seem a bit put off about the Nvidia/ATI thing. I don't know enough about it, but there seems to be angry people there (I personally have an ATI card but I already knew it wasn't going to work and was looking for overtime so I could replace it - failed).

4. Not happy about arum or whatever the hell they're called in general and with respect to what they'll do to plex prices. I don't think this will be true at all unless the store prices come down, because you'd have to be downright crazy to buy that **** at those prices.


5. Heat issues with the CQ enabled/loaded. Even high end machines are experiencing some problems, apparently. [end edit]

I think that about sums it up, but I might have missed a couple of points.

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:40:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
$50 for a monocle, mkay.

Sure, 90% of us weren't originally interested in vanity items, but it's the principle of charging that much in the first place.


Cant afford it dont buy it. Is the way of Eve. Cant afford to fly it....well you should know.Rolling Eyes

Ssakaa
Minmatar
Metropolis Moods
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:42:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Kasriel


standing info STILL missing




Yes, that's infuriating.

O/T but could anyone provide a link as to what the thinking behind the removal was? Ta.

Kasriel
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:47:00 - [144]
 

Originally by: Ssakaa
Originally by: Kasriel


standing info STILL missing




Yes, that's infuriating.

O/T but could anyone provide a link as to what the thinking behind the removal was? Ta.


don't have a link but i seem to recall reading that it was to reduce server load due to it pulling that info up on every person you looked at the info for (why not just add a button instead i don't know) and i believe that the people defending it were screaming it was a GOOD thing because it meant you couldn't look at a persons standings to see who they ran missions for etc while the people attacking the change were pointing out that it would cause huge problems for corps, faction warefare and so on

Nukleanis
Falcon Advanced Industries
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:53:00 - [145]
 

Edited by: Nukleanis on 22/06/2011 11:57:54
I think Incarna does some stuff pretty well (new turrets, for instance) and the main screen in CQ is something I could stare at for hours, but let's take a quick reality check.


1) Walking in stations was supposed to be optional. CCP have gone back on their word. As a rule I don't tend to buy products or services from companies that go back on their word. However, I will make an exception for EVE.

2) Prices of items: 1 PLEX costs €19.95, which is £17.78 (I'm all English and stuff). That £17.78 is worth 3,500 aurum. A monocle costs 12,000 aurum, or 3.42 PLEX. £17.78 x 3.42 = £60.80. To make it a little easier for folks to understand, I visited nammi.is to see what the equivalent of £60.80 will buy us in real-life Icelandic Krona (11,269.32 ISK):


1x 5-pack SS Hot dogs (500 gr.)
Isk.1.673

1x Dry Fried Onions (100 gr.)
Isk.271

1x 15 Hot Dog Buns
Isk.645

4x Appelsín (500 ml)
Isk.936

5x Skyr.is Blueberry (500 gr.)
Isk.3.225

5x Nizza - Súkkulaðiperlum (55 gr)
Isk.1.030

1x Angora Socks
* Color - Black
* Size - 36-39
Isk.3.500

Subtotal: 11.280 ISK.


Lunch / dinner for five days and some socks. Do try the blueberry skyr if you can. It's really quite nice. As are Nizza bars. :)

3) It makes my cooling fans go haywire very quickly. I've not checked the temperatures yet, but it's a pretty well-ventilated quad-core system with a 460GTX card. Hopefully not too ancient.

4) The dev blogs weren't all that great and, to be frank, were very glib. "You can spend Aurum! We will have a store! Wheee!" That's all well and good, but there wasn't much information on how to access the store and precisely what vanity items were making it to release. I only figured it out after finding the NEX button (which I didn't see documented in dev blogs or the wiki) in CQ. Or maybe I'm just dumb.

5) CQ lighting. When Nukleanis goes for a stroll from his pod to the sofa to take in the news, a hot dog and a cool Appelsin, he looks a little... morose. He doesn't look like a smug Amarrian anymore. He looks depressed.

Cross Valteri
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:57:00 - [146]
 

Posting for more Incarna SUPPORT.

I did not come here for the spaceships. I came here for the sci-fi. Walking in high tech space stations adds more sci-fi to EVE so I approve.

Nasopraso
Caldari
BRUTAL GENESIS
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:59:00 - [147]
 

I want to spin my ship again!!!!

Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:00:00 - [148]
 

Taking time to quote one of the best posts ever. I almost pity all the kiddies talking about "things will be great in the future!". Ummm, about that ... yeah, not so much.

I guess it's just hard making some people understand the reality of Eve and CCP.

Originally by: Asuri Kinnes
Originally by: Milkmy Sausage
Forgive me but they seem like some pretty minor sacrifices for where CCP want to take Incarna... remeber this is nowhere near the finished product for walking in stations etc... do you not think that in 3-5 years this feature might have the ability to be awesome? Walk in a box now, walk on planets/in ships interacting with all sorts of people/items/buildings in the future.... seems to make sense to me...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

ROFLMMFAO!
Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Low-Sec is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Cosmos missions are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Faction Warfare is the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Originally by: Mystic5hadow
Sov Upgrades are the future, it will bring in so many new players and it WILL be great once almost fully implemented. If what CCP is doing doesn't match your expectations, then go away. It's that simple. But you'll most definitely be missing out on one of the greatest games ever.

Pattern much?

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:01:00 - [149]
 

Originally by: Nukleanis
Edited by: Nukleanis on 22/06/2011 11:57:54
I think Incarna does some stuff pretty well (new turrets, for instance) and the main screen in CQ is something I could stare at for hours, but let's take a quick reality check.


1) Walking in stations was supposed to be optional. CCP have gone back on their word. As a rule I don't tend to buy products or services from companies that go back on their word. However, I will make an exception for EVE.

2) Prices of items: 1 PLEX costs €19.95, which is £17.78 (I'm all English and stuff). That £17.78 is worth 3,500 aurum. A monocle costs 12,000 aurum, or 3.42 PLEX. £17.78 x 3.42 = £60.80. To make it a little easier for folks to understand, I visited nammi.is to see what the equivalent of £60.80 will buy us in real-life Icelandic Krona (11,269.32 ISK):


1x 5-pack SS Hot dogs (500 gr.)
Isk.1.673

1x Dry Fried Onions (100 gr.)
Isk.271

1x 15 Hot Dog Buns
Isk.645

4x Appelsín (500 ml)
Isk.936

5x Skyr.is Blueberry (500 gr.)
Isk.3.225

5x Nizza - Súkkulaðiperlum (55 gr)
Isk.1.030

1x Angora Socks
* Color - Black
* Size - 36-39
Isk.3.500

Subtotal: 11.280 ISK.


Lunch / dinner for five days and some socks. Do try the blueberry skyr if you can. It's really quite nice. As are Nizza bars. :)

3) It makes my cooling fans go haywire very quickly. I've not checked the temperatures yet, but it's a pretty well-ventilated quad-core system with a 460GTX card. Hopefully not too ancient.

4) The dev blogs weren't all that great and, to be frank, were very glib. "You can spend Aurum! We will have a store! Wheee!" That's all well and good, but there wasn't much information on how to access the store and precisely what vanity items were making it to release. I only figured it out after finding the NEX button (which I didn't see documented in dev blogs or the wiki) in CQ. Or maybe I'm just dumb.

5) CQ lighting. When Nukleanis goes for a stroll from his pod to the sofa to take in the news, a hot dog and a cool Appelsin, he looks a little... morose. He doesn't look like a smug Amarrian anymore. He looks depressed.


Wait... 12000 aurum for one characther modification?????

I have not logged on since I patched up last night, and I knew it was going to be a lot more then on Sisi of course, but that is just silly!

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:04:00 - [150]
 

apart of failed prejudice, fail logic, circular logic, fail reasoning and other things.

Answer is simple..

We dont know yet.


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