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cyclobs
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:38:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda
Edited by: Kyoko Sakoda on 22/06/2011 05:33:18
My GPU temp is hot but fine, interval is set to one (vsync).

My (AMD Phenom II x4) CPU temperature is hitting 77C and Incarna crashes within 5 minutes of load every time. While my processor cooler is stock and runs hot, it has NEVER reached this level before.


hitting 60C with my phenom worrys me (<3 D14)

Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:42:00 - [32]
 

I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to.

Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:49:00 - [33]
 

I just want to thank Zachstar for being the voice of reason, here. Blaming a game/software developer for overheating your system is spectacularly funny.

Mr Entity
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:53:00 - [34]
 

AMD Phenom II X6 1075T + GTX460.
CPU runs at about 26c, GPU at about 65c (fan speed 48%) with 2 accounts both in CQ.
I get about 60fps.
If your PCs are getting as hot as you say then you realy do just need better cooling.

Kavin Alavandar
Extropy Dianoetics
Posted - 2011.06.22 05:57:00 - [35]
 

And you shouldn't need to buy anything. Stock cooling is more than sufficient for stock speeds. It is tested to death by the manufacturer. If you're overheating without overclocking, the problem is with airflow obstruction of one kind or another. Usually dust, but also commonly poor cable management.

Leianna
Carebear Mafia
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:14:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Leianna on 22/06/2011 06:17:54
@Zach: totally agree. I build PCs for a living, and you make sense to me.

Not sure what the complaints are about. I'm running AMD CPU, AMD vid card, got graphics cranked, interval immediate, and 2 clients running, both in CQ, switching between both, or just hanging around on one with the other minimized, CPU never breaches 35 celsius / 35% load.

A few things come to mind:
-Custom build > name brand pre-build
-Compressed Air
-Update your hardware / software.

Seriously, you people that are too cheap to update your machine **** me off lol. Why should the rest of us suffer with crappy graphics just so a game can be compatible with your 6 year old Dell or Acer? This is 2011, if you cant afford a 600 or 700 dollar custom build, but need to settle for a $399 special name brand hunk of crap, stop bloody gaming until you figure your finances out. Also, guess what!? Just because that 6 year old Dell still works, doesnt mean you should use that as an excuse not to update your machine. It still works? great, go play farmville.

Seriously though, those of you with heat issues, check into the corsair H50 / H70 / H100 closed-loop water coolers. They work like a dream, are cheap, and very easy to install. I have the H50 and it cut my overall heat produced, under load, by nearly 50%

Zachstar
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:18:00 - [37]
 

I don't like water cooling because many seem to forget to cool the MOSFETS. I was told a good system will run 2-3 hundred which sounds right. You would not want to cool a big ole hemi with a V4s cooler now would ya?

Tho I have to admit I would LOVE to be able to run those massive overclocks with it.

Leianna
Carebear Mafia
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:23:00 - [38]
 

the H series from corsair are closed loop. there are no parts to put together. The are a simple water pump CPU block, hoses attached, with RAD and fan on the other end. Took all of 5 minutes to install, and heat reduced from 55 celsius under load (fans limited to 50% RPM max), to 33-35 celsius under load. The RAD fan is set to 37.5% RPM in BIOS.
Cool, and quiet.

Maul555
Amarr
Reliables Inc
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:25:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Maul555 on 22/06/2011 06:29:07
Edited by: Maul555 on 22/06/2011 06:26:58
Zachstar is telling the truth... I am a computer tech and support his information. If your computer is overheating, then your cooling is inadequate for some reason. It might be old fans, old thermal paste, dust, or something else. Any computer that overheats for any reason was not designed correctly or has components that are no longer operating correctly. I build computers, trust me.

I am looking @ you Callha Ri. don't tell people to dismiss good information when you are the one who has no idea what you are talking about.

Daelorn
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:28:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Daelorn on 22/06/2011 06:29:45
This is funny.

Hardware has bounds. CCP can't program their game to go past those bounds, its not like CCP can make your processor go to 200%.

Like someone else said, if your setup can't handle running at max then its your fault.

You should run a stress test and it should be able to run that for hours with no problems. Something like Prime95 (for CPU) and FurMark (for GPU) are great for testing.

Also I had 2 BSODs from captain's quarters. Why? Because my GPU is overclocked and soon as I lowered it a little, no more BSODs.

Originally by: Maul555
Zachstar is telling the truth... I am a computer tech and support his information. If your computer is overheating, then your cooling is inadequate for some reason. It might be old fans, old thermal paste, dust, or something else. Any computer that overheats for any reason was not designed correctly or has components that are no longer operating correctly. I build computers, trust me.


Well... unless you have a laptop! Razz

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:44:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Wa'roun
I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to.

Yet that is the only potential reason Eve would fry your rig, really.

If you've got the vsync aka "interval one" on i.e. your puter isn't rendering a gazillion frames for no good reason (read: interval immediate), your rig shouldn't overheat. If it does, then either your cooling is indeed f*ed, or there's some kind of bug in the game overriding the "interval one" setting.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:48:00 - [42]
 

Let's just say that EVE is not going to become the next Crysis. People might be experiencing problems, but EVE is not in such a state that only the best computers with SLI and overclocking can run it. That's why Crysis became a benchmark.

Still, it is high, and a lot of EVE players use minimum set-ups and aren't interested in hardware, or higher end systems. Most, would be quite happy to just have a cheap laptop, and if EVE could run at 60fps on an Intel Atom, I'm sure that's all they would want. We're not talking about gamers that push the envelope on enthusiast equipment here, but rather people who like EVE for other reasons. It's similarity to an RTS being one of them.


Daelorn
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:48:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Originally by: Wa'roun
I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to.

Yet that is the only potential reason Eve would fry your rig, really.

If you've got the vsync aka "interval one" on i.e. your puter isn't rendering a gazillion frames for no good reason (read: interval immediate), your rig shouldn't overheat. If it does, then either your cooling is indeed f*ed, or there's some kind of bug in the game overriding the "interval one" setting.


Even without interval one your **** shouldn't be overheating.

Cham Palaung
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:18:00 - [44]
 

I run a lot of different mmos with my computer, with high quality graphics (age of conan or aion for example), huge areas, fights and tons of NPCs and other characters around. They run smooth and my computer is silent.
I enter the CQ in EVE and my fans become immediatly noisy. We are talking about displaying ONE character in ONE room !
It's too easy and silly to always spit on the players by saying that their hardware suck, when it's most likely the fault of the developpers who have not been able to optimize their work.
I do really hope that they will optimize their work soon. I love Incarna's potential, but i won't buy a new computer just because they release unoptimized piece of software. Doing that is encouraging the software industry to become more and more lazy, relying on new expensive hardware to compensate their badly built codes.

Bacon Grits
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:24:00 - [45]
 

Its over 9000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (views that is)

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:27:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Daelorn
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Originally by: Wa'roun
I am getting tired of all the people saying "Interval one" when that is the default it is set to.

Yet that is the only potential reason Eve would fry your rig, really.

If you've got the vsync aka "interval one" on i.e. your puter isn't rendering a gazillion frames for no good reason (read: interval immediate), your rig shouldn't overheat. If it does, then either your cooling is indeed f*ed, or there's some kind of bug in the game overriding the "interval one" setting.


Even without interval one your **** shouldn't be overheating.

Yes and no. Appearently these days GPUs aren't really equipped - cooling wise - to render max fps without vsync. When there's nothing going on (login screen f.e.) Eve will push some 400+ fps for no good reason. That can fry the card. It's like shifting the gear on your car to idle and then pushing down the gas. Yeah the motor should handle it, but in reality it will break down eventually.
Blizzard made the same mistake. Eventually they issued statement asking people to add a line to the config to prevent the StarCraft2 login screen from frying your GPU.

Setting interval immediate is just not a good idea, really. Leave it on interval one if you want to keep your rig intact.


Bai Winlock
Gallente
Dark Phoenix Rising.
Posted - 2011.06.22 07:34:00 - [47]
 

my cpu hasn't gone over 46c and stays around 30% usage give or take

LeF Andropov
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:03:00 - [48]
 

Imho the main reason for the complaints is the fact, that eve itself hasn't been very demanding in terms of hardware until now. The CQ is a nice piece of work, but is also a real challenge to systems, which might have done well in earlier versions of eve. Now the uncomfortable truth comes out, that some machines aren't that thermically healthy as they should be. Lots of those issues can be fixed by cleaning fans/radiators and bundle cabling somewhere, where it doesn't obstruct airflow throught the chassis.


greets

red

Wishdokkta CEO
The Riot Formation
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:07:00 - [49]
 

I'll summarise the thread.

"My computer doesnt work properly, must be CCP's fault."

That is all.

LordInvisible
Gallente
Nova Ardour
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:09:00 - [50]
 

Same here:
Core i7
HD 5850 with 1GB VRAM
8GB RAM
Air cooled

Before incarna with FOUR (4!!) clients running cpu was around 30% usage with 49 avg temp.
After incarna with ONE (1!!!!one) client running cpu is at 45% usage with 52avg temp.

I'm scared to use my other three accounts at this time..

Thaliya Dejar
Fallen Angel's
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:14:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Thaliya Dejar on 22/06/2011 08:14:56
Originally by: stoicfaux
CQ seems to max out CPUs and GPUs. My gtx460 fan kicked into high gear and the noise drove me to disable CQ.

Other folks are also reporting similar heat issues with CQ.



Thats wired. I have all setting to High. The cpu usage docked is at 25 % and 15 % in space. But the RAM usage after i docked at a few stations is up to 3.5 GB..

And its not the best PC.



crymyname
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:15:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Zachstar
Being rude does not help you. And [email protected] isn't evidence as it can be reduced by more or by percent. Also because it is GPU these days it does not truly max out a CPU just nearly so.

Folks I have explained the issue with CPU heat and TDP if you want more info I suggest looking it up or looking at the website of your CPU and GPU vendor. posting here any further after this when people want to just blame CCP then tend to their own cooling needs is just doing disservice to the threads that are trying to get CCPs attention of serious issues.


BUT YOU HAVE NOT EXPLAINED WHY IT'S HAPPENING ..
there are more games out there that have better graphics and use less resouses on the pc ..the power draw on my pc has gon thru the roof .. my 12v rail drops to 11.7v .. explain that ?

Zachstar
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:12:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: crymyname
Originally by: Zachstar
Being rude does not help you. And [email protected] isn't evidence as it can be reduced by more or by percent. Also because it is GPU these days it does not truly max out a CPU just nearly so.

Folks I have explained the issue with CPU heat and TDP if you want more info I suggest looking it up or looking at the website of your CPU and GPU vendor. posting here any further after this when people want to just blame CCP then tend to their own cooling needs is just doing disservice to the threads that are trying to get CCPs attention of serious issues.


BUT YOU HAVE NOT EXPLAINED WHY IT'S HAPPENING ..
there are more games out there that have better graphics and use less resouses on the pc ..the power draw on my pc has gon thru the roof .. my 12v rail drops to 11.7v .. explain that ?


Running a PSU not designed for max power draw of all your components? CCP sure as hell cant affect 12V rails.

Almost all games out there are capped in some way. If say your video memory fills up then the load on the GPU itself stays at a certain percent. Or vice versa. EVE is just managing to balance things enough to get the most work out of all. Yes it will drop some with patches but don't expect huge changes.

Marshiro
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:20:00 - [54]
 

I use a laptop and it overheats with CQ.... ugh

Bauer Supreme
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:27:00 - [55]
 

Got a Core Duo 2, cant remember which model think its the 3ghz one with a 10 Cooler Master fan, temps get up to 50c. Full of dust and in need of new thermal paste which i will do tonight!

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:29:00 - [56]
 

I am using in on an Asus Netbook with ION video card and it seems to work just fine. If a netbook can manage CQ...

Tha Tyger
Minmatar
Legionari
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:32:00 - [57]
 

No problems here at all with me good old Intel Q9450 and Sapphire Radeon HD5830.
Maybe the load has increased, but I never bothered to look at that in the first place.
Game runs smooth, no complains.

Like Zachstar and Kavin Alavandar mentioned, you can't blame a software programmer for
hardware failures. Tune down the settings a little, stop trying to overclock your core
to 4Ghz on air cooling and provide enough air circulation in your case.

If your pc can't handle Prime95 or Futuremark for let's say a solid hour I'm pretty sure
CCP is not to blame.

Zachstar
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I am using in on an Asus Netbook with ION video card and it seems to work just fine. If a netbook can manage CQ...


I got my parents an ION 1 based system. It is quite amazing how much of a punch they put into that package.

Ion 2... That was crap by comparison tho. Very little gain for an increase in power.

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:43:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Fi1ippo
Originally by: Tellenta
I boiled a cup of tea from the exhaust fan of my laptop. CCP you ****ing dumb sonsa*****es if you're bound and determined to prevent a people from accessing a persistent universe.... I.... **** it....


Your problem.


Well that depends. Because if EVE Incarna is only playable on a given % of the current player bases PCs, then those players with less capable systems will be forced to leave EVE. That means reduced subscriptions, and a declining community which in turn becomes....

CCPs Problem.

C.

Kaar
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:46:00 - [60]
 

So Eve is using 100% of the cpu power available to it and you are mad because you built/bought a pc that cant handle running at 100%

This is indeed CCP's problem.


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