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Apice
Posted - 2011.06.24 22:39:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Dr Manufactorium
This guys are hilarious going on about power supplies and voltage... will that replace caldar ian loss?
Can you bring it to life????


Nice theories u have here...one even recently call it stress tests...some of us call it get out and start doing some real testing . caldar ian , dont let your psot get hijacked by these damage control ppl.Just interested in DC the game by theories that are unwelcomed.
Say instead of going on about a power supply can you put up a few lines of code to improve this ?


Please never stop posting Sirs

Epic fail

Custom PC is ---------> that way


Please explain to me how a "few lines of code" will allow a power supply to produce more power than it is designed to produce? A simple google search easily confirms that insufficient wattage on the 12v rail is a common issue with power supplies (primary due to dubious marketing on the part of PSU manufactures).

While it may not bring back his dead PSU this simple knowledge will prevent the same thing from happening again, hopefully sparing the loss of a second PSU.

Dr Manufactorium
Posted - 2011.06.24 23:12:00 - [122]
 

Lets talk about ....erm voltage ok ?

Yeah back to the voltage topic !

Dr Manufactorium
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:29:00 - [123]
 

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1536495

ok

Dark Reignz
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:01:00 - [124]
 

Edited by: Dark Reignz on 25/06/2011 02:10:30
WoW im amazed to come to the forum and find a CCP notice regarding PC issues and then this thread.

I installed Incarna but never docked at all that session, after an hour I logged then came back online a few hours later. Everything still seemed fine. however I then docked to check out CQ and apart from a slight bit of lag I proceeded to sit my char down in CQ and starting chatting to a mate. After about 10 mins BSOD.

WTF I though, my PC wouldnt boot up and over the following 24 hours I went through everything including a full reformat and finally found that a 1gb stick of ram had blown. So I carried on reinstalling windows and also found that prior to the install the hard drive was 250gb (230 free) and completed that then I found a second problem.

It had also caused part of my effing Hard drive to fail so after windows installed it only shows 130 gb out 250! WTF IN HELL IS THIS.

Im now on a 1.5gb ram pc with 130/250 gb drive which lags to fck. Ive ordered more ram but am now going to have to buy a full new PC.

I know 100% Incarna did this because back when Apoph was released it blew my brand new PSU as did Tyrannis.

Wont bother putting in a technical petition becuase I doubt your going to buy me new hardware or compensate me for the loss. Edit on second thought I think I will for the luls

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.06.25 02:45:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Nak hak on 25/06/2011 02:49:53

When will CCP give a comment on this 5 page post? Stop leaving your customers twisting in your forum post tag hells. CPP. Have you no sense of decency, CCP, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?


Invictus
Minmatar
Battlestars
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.06.25 05:05:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Invictus on 25/06/2011 05:06:02
I normally ran three to four clients on my pc pre-incarna with zero issues, only with graphics turned down slightly.

Saturday morning, I start two up, orbiting my POS. Then the third client in station... less than five minutes in, Poof. Dead PC. $400after a trip to the local computer shop for CPU, mobo, ram and fan, here I am.

What gives CCP? I know you've delivered sub-par in the past and recover afterwards, but this. This patch takes the cake.

I think I might spend a day out of my summer vacation in Iceland to stand out in front of your office holding a sign explaining how much I dislike this recent patch.

Besides, Incarna is boring now. Whoopie, I can sit on sofa and watch the new cycle over or watch my ship spin in 3rd person perspective.

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:09:00 - [127]
 

Originally by: Invictus
Edited by: Invictus on 25/06/2011 05:06:02
I normally ran three to four clients on my pc pre-incarna with zero issues, only with graphics turned down slightly.

Saturday morning, I start two up, orbiting my POS. Then the third client in station... less than five minutes in, Poof. Dead PC. $400after a trip to the local computer shop for CPU, mobo, ram and fan, here I am.

What gives CCP? I know you've delivered sub-par in the past and recover afterwards, but this. This patch takes the cake.

I think I might spend a day out of my summer vacation in Iceland to stand out in front of your office holding a sign explaining how much I dislike this recent patch.

Besides, Incarna is boring now. Whoopie, I can sit on sofa and watch the new cycle over or watch my ship spin in 3rd person perspective.


Sorry to hear you had a pc melt down as well, I feel your pain. CCP are in denial at the moment, my petition has not been replied to yet, I know I wont get any thing I have read the terms of service for the game. But I want them to know at-least that incarna is a poorly designed game, when they knew running more than one client would cause issues.

Unfortunately it seems with the leaked memo and community uproar at the moment it has put customer service on a back burner.

In-game advantage for real life money will ruin this game, and I will no longer be playing with my two accounts until we get answers. I have played this game since 2004 and have never felt this bad and betrayed by ccp.

I am afraid this is the end of eve online and ccp dont care. . . .

Kon Deus
Posted - 2011.06.25 08:32:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Apice
Originally by: Dr Manufactorium
This guys are hilarious going on about power supplies and voltage... will that replace caldar ian loss?
Can you bring it to life????


Nice theories u have here...one even recently call it stress tests...some of us call it get out and start doing some real testing . caldar ian , dont let your psot get hijacked by these damage control ppl.Just interested in DC the game by theories that are unwelcomed.
Say instead of going on about a power supply can you put up a few lines of code to improve this ?


Please never stop posting Sirs

Epic fail

Custom PC is ---------> that way


Please explain to me how a "few lines of code" will allow a power supply to produce more power than it is designed to produce? A simple google search easily confirms that insufficient wattage on the 12v rail is a common issue with power supplies (primary due to dubious marketing on the part of PSU manufactures).

While it may not bring back his dead PSU this simple knowledge will prevent the same thing from happening again, hopefully sparing the loss of a second PSU.


There could be plenty of theories. Tho realistic. If somehow under norm conditions his system was running at optimal... Then the stressed process and esp. the stress on video (video cards nowadays will pull some pwr) it has the possibility. I run a 1200 psu. But that is because I realize how critical it can be to a system. The norm for most all systems the psu is barely optimal for the system. Adding a larger video card or just an additional drive or periph can push them easily into pop.
On the flip, I hope CCP goes bankrupt and chokes on the remaining prepaid time I have left!

JT Black
Amarr
ALPHA REACTION
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:29:00 - [129]
 

What i really like is the tech gurus in this thread trying to DC what happens to a many great deal out there with Stress tests....and by posting their specs here..

Do me a favour and get out of this thread.

Not only ccp released a proven dangerous expansion they also removed the chances of the not so fortunate to not even be able to run EvE online with a low specs machine.

I give you the example of students or ppl with less financial options. Some of those have been playing EvE for many years and now they gave up cause they cant run EvE.Its people who used to log in to socialize online and chat on coms while playing EvE.

Some of us like me work and have decent salaries but what about the ones who are in education and struggle with their bills.

Why Can't CCP in all their greed make it easier for those with lower spec machines ?
No its all about the money ! And with time it just gets worse and worse.

EvE online reached the perfect example of a fine product lead to avenues of financial unrealistic dimensions
I blame the management.

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.25 17:33:00 - [130]
 

still here waiting for acknowledgement from ccp.

They will wait for the storm to die down and carry on as usual



Okano Hykeido
Minmatar
No Compromise
Posted - 2011.06.25 19:38:00 - [131]
 

confirmed Incarna tries to fry my 480s everytime i login :|

Gordon Hellbender
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:09:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Kane VanKeio
I run a highend i7 pc.
As soon as I launch Eve, I hear my fans go nuts. Before patch I could run 3-4clients and everything was fine, but now something is not right.
Thought I got some virus first that ate memory, but now I start believing that this latest patch is ****ed up.

I tried AoC at launch and I remember their memory leak problem that made clients crash and freezelag like hell.
I am almost 100% sure CCP has some issue like that now, else people would not gotten this problem, even if they have an old or new pc.


Same here.
High end intel i7 system with a high end ati vid card.
6 gb internal ram, 512 mb vid ram.

No problems before patch.

After patch, with CQ enabled - crazy fan use,, like a jet aircraft taking off.
Had to disable CQ,,,. but that means i now have a static background.


Give me back my ship overview !!! T_T

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:07:00 - [133]
 

I see other threads being replied to by ccp in this forum area, but not in this thread they are keeping away Crying or Very sad

shameful

Nimtra
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:44:00 - [134]
 

Originally by: caldar ian
I see other threads being replied to by ccp in this forum area, but not in this thread they are keeping away Crying or Very sad

shameful

they already responded to it in a sticky right above : Experiencing Heat or Hardware Issues?


While yes, before incarna eve-o was not really a resource hog, mostly empty space, some ships and explosions a few shadows. The new interiors are quite a lot more taxing on your hardware, more polygons, many more particle effects, shadows.... Question is, are they harder on your hardware then other similar graphics?
I for one have no issues at all. I have other games that are far less visually impressive that heat up my system more.

Its really not easy to respond to hardware issues .
Its hard to reproduce. What driver, what other hardware, what OS, what updates ... it probably only happens on your own system the exact way you experience the problem.
There's a near infinite amount of causes. Dirty heat sinks, bad airflow inside your case, heat around your case, faulty hardware ( remember the faulty nvidia mobile chips as an example, Linkage . Or there's just a badly attached heatsink/heatspreader on your graphics processor )
Maybe its a driver bug. ( e.g. the nvidia 196.75, Linkage )

What are they supposed to write more then whats mentioned in the sticky?
"Sorry we have no idea what causes this to happen on your system, as all out test-systems ran just fine" ?

PS:
if you really want to torture your graphics card try Furmark. This will heat your graphics card to its absolute maximum so be careful.

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.25 22:51:00 - [135]
 

whatever

My ATI 5700 had no problems and survived the melt down.

My cpu and motherboard fried on the other hand.

I am not really bothered about my pc loss now, I have replaced it at great expense to my self.
I am just sick to the stomach of the way the player base has been treated, and the direction of the game I have put 7 years into.

btw still no reply to my petition lol, just for the lulz


Funk Engine
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.26 00:47:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Funk Engine on 26/06/2011 00:49:58
Here's something to try for science...

If you are experiencing thermal excursions, underclock your GPU or CPU or both (whichever is overheating.) and see if you see a commensurate drop in temperature. Some napkin thermodynamic math says a 10% drop in clock speed should result in a 8-12% reduction in temperature rise above ambient(Assuming the core is maxed, and the cooling has throttled up to max also. This may take 10-15 minutes to happen.). To explain it with more words, that means that if your GPU core hits 90C at normal clocks, and your room temperature is 22 C, the temp difference is 68 degrees. So if you underclock by 10% your new max temp should be between 81 and 85 degrees.

If it does NOT behave the way I've laid it out(Meaning your max temp doesn't change.), its something hardware or driver side that would need to be worked out between CCP and ATI/NVIDIA, if the temperature drops, its a cooling/airflow/thermodynamic issue on your end.

I have not had any thermal issues myself, but my system has been fully load tested to handle 100% theoretical thermal dissipation without issue. (I designed it that way, damnit! Stock HSFs aren't built for that kind of abuse.)

Intel Q6600 (B stepping, G0 revision \o/ ) at 2.95GHz, ATI HD 4850-2GB video ram, factory clocks.

Max CPU core temp is 60c at 100% load on all 4 cores (CPU die is vertically oriented, so two of the cores sit "above" the other two, so when the hottest core is 60, the bottom cores are 3-4 degrees cooler.) and I have yet to see my GPU go above 62, and 45% fan speed.

Standard disclaimers:
YMMV, IANAL, Abandon Hope All Ye, etc...

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.26 08:04:00 - [137]
 

Some great advice here in this thread

however

for a general pc user( i.e not some geek guru ) we look at a game to make sure our pc meets its minimum spec, we buy it and play. Its that simple, we dont look at temperatures fsb, mhz, clock speed's, or if it can be played with multiple clients.

I belive CCP failed us, they knew it would cause problems for multiple client users so they released a dev blog ( come on who actually reads the dev blogs apart from the nerds ) there should have been a ingame warning at client start up.

Something like
Quote:
WARNING RUNNING INCARNA IN MULTIPLE CLIENTS MAY OVERHEAT YOUR SYSTEM, PLEASE DISABLE THE CAPTAINS QUARTERS AND LOOK AT A DOOR


Wink and if in the future you are forced to run incarna a lot of you will not be playing with all your chars at once.


Stoned Dragonias
Amarr
Southern Cross Empire
Flying Dangerous
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:01:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: caldar ian
Some great advice here in this thread

however

for a general pc user( i.e not some geek guru ) we look at a game to make sure our pc meets its minimum spec, we buy it and play. Its that simple, we dont look at temperatures fsb, mhz, clock speed's, or if it can be played with multiple clients.

I belive CCP failed us, they knew it would cause problems for multiple client users so they released a dev blog ( come on who actually reads the dev blogs apart from the nerds ) there should have been a ingame warning at client start up.

Something like
Quote:
WARNING RUNNING INCARNA IN MULTIPLE CLIENTS MAY OVERHEAT YOUR SYSTEM, PLEASE DISABLE THE CAPTAINS QUARTERS AND LOOK AT A DOOR


Wink and if in the future you are forced to run incarna a lot of you will not be playing with all your chars at once.


Incarna wasn't ready for release, went from running three accounts simultaneously, to scared to run one. In order to run the one when I'm docked I have to stare at a door, or risk a BSOD with CQ on (never had one before incarna). When in space it uses more resources than running three accounts pre-incarna.

Side note: I'm surprised your QA team felt that the turret icons on target lock were acceptable for release. Have you seen them? complete garbage. Sorry I don't use my money to buy garbage, this whole expansion is garbage. -3 subscriptions.

Nimtra
Posted - 2011.06.26 09:07:00 - [139]
 

But overheating hardware has nothing to do with a high load caused by ( faulty ) software. Even if you have a program that has your CPU running at 100% load constantly, transfers massive amounts of data over the pcie bus non-stop, you hardware should not fail. Your PC will run abysmally slow, but unless its some overclocking software that can change voltages, no software can damage your hardware.
And yep probably the client could handle multiple clients more gracefully then it does now, but it wont destroy hardware.


As I said. It was either a hardware fault, dirty heatsinks, poor ventilation, driver issue. Dont put a PC into a small confined space , they have claustrophobia.
So clean your fans, check if they actually work, check if theres hot air getting pushed out of your case somewhere, check if theres not too much heat building around your PC. Also its advisable to have an airflow that is only going in 1 direction ( often fans on the side of the case that blow in air perpendicular to the rest of the others do more harm then good ).

And yes I guess if the whole system overheats, its probably the CPU and Northbridge that die first, Graphics cards these days are designed for much higher temperatures then CPUs (100°C are still tolerable )

Also if you want to torture you CPU get prime95 : here
Maybe try and run prime95 and monitor your CPUs temperature. if it doesnt fail its highly unlikely anything else can make it.. ( Unless your whole system is so poorly ventilated that the heat inside the case renders fans ineffective)
Maybe even run furmark and prime at the same time, monitor temperatures and kill the programs if your hardware gets too hot.. If it does, open the case and put e.g a ventilator next o it and see how the heat develops then. Maybe you gotta buy a few more case fans.

dankeeys
Posted - 2011.06.26 11:37:00 - [140]
 

Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 14:14:48
Originally by: JT Black
What i really like is the tech gurus in this thread trying to DC what happens to a many great deal out there with Stress tests....and by posting their specs here..

Do me a favour and get out of this thread.

Not only ccp released a proven dangerous expansion they also removed the chances of the not so fortunate to not even be able to run EvE online with a low specs machine.

I give you the example of students or ppl with less financial options. Some of those have been playing EvE for many years and now they gave up cause they cant run EvE.Its people who used to log in to socialize online and chat on coms while playing EvE.

Some of us like me work and have decent salaries but what about the ones who are in education and struggle with their bills.

Why Can't CCP in all their greed make it easier for those with lower spec machines ?
No its all about the money ! And with time it just gets worse and worse.

EvE online reached the perfect example of a fine product lead to avenues of financial unrealistic dimensions
I blame the management.


JT Black…maybe you should be the one to 'get out of this thread'…..just an idea.

The 'tech gurus' in these threads as you call them are actually presenting all round good ideas and help with regards to heat and other issues. What are you providing to the community except pointless half ass retorts to people who are providing factual reasoning and help?

Tell you what JT Black….since there is a plethora of reasoning on this thread and others as to why software, namely a game CANNOT damage hardware, and people providing alternative reasoning as to why certain people are having issues with hardware. You go and find some information contrary to that…find us something to prove Incarna or for that matter any other game can damage hardware.

The simple fact is software does not and cannot directly damage hardware, unless as I’ve stated previous; as an example malicious code (virus) that can alter fan speeds inside the system to cause overheating.

I am not sticking up for CCP here….I’ve said it before and I will say it again, Incarna is an abysmal fail. But if peoples hardware is failing because of it, the first port of call should be the place they bought the PC from, and self builders who have had issues should really not be building their own computers….simple.

Demon Flames
Posted - 2011.06.26 14:54:00 - [141]
 

dankeeys

You sound mad ?

Are you mad ?

JT Black
Amarr
ALPHA REACTION
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:09:00 - [142]
 

So not really worth my time but i will reply to you , Dankeeys .

You seem to be at loss in this post judging the numbers of people complaining about the most recent patch which is software based.

1 - You must have some unknown PC maybe its Jove tech something like that...

2 - You are somehow simple or in denial.

3 - Don't waist my time cause until now all your posted knowledge has not resolved any of the OP problems.

Be realistic , If you don't accept the truth continue day dreaming.

Let me quote some of the OP for you cause u forgot by now :


"however
for a general pc user( i.e not some geek guru ) we look at a game to make sure our pc meets its minimum spec, we buy it and play. Its that simple, we dont look at temperatures fsb, mhz, clock speed's, or if it can be played with multiple clients.

I belive CCP failed us, they knew it would cause problems for multiple client users so they released a dev blog ( come on who actually reads the dev blogs apart from the nerds ) there should have been a ingame warning at client start up.

Something like

Quote:WARNING RUNNING INCARNA IN MULTIPLE CLIENTS MAY OVERHEAT YOUR SYSTEM, PLEASE DISABLE THE CAPTAINS QUARTERS AND LOOK AT A DOOR

Wink and if in the future you are forced to run incarna a lot of you will not be playing with all your chars at once."

Now Dankeeys scroll up page after page and sum up your advice,ranges from a virus problem to a Power Supply etc etc,dust...

The truth is even people with higher specs machines are having either overheating or at some point system resources put under stress.You try running multiple clients If there is no change to your system submit a report to CCP QA and let them know you have the cure.
QA needs you.

To finish this off , I am side by side with the OP, you are just theory generalizing I am not interested.
Again I emphasise to you, what about the ones who cannot afford an expensive PC .
Be humble and support the ones who have less.


Li'l Ze
Minmatar
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:33:00 - [143]
 

All this makes me kinda happy I couldn't log in at all due to my video card not supporting "shader model 3" Perhaps by the time I get a new card the problem will be resolved or the game gets rolled back to an earlier version.

George Holden
Gallente
Syndicated Systems
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2011.06.26 15:56:00 - [144]
 

Just to sum it up.

A game, even a faulty one, is very unlikely to be able to fry your hardware unless:

- Cooling is insufficent and hardware can't handle it's maximum temperature due to flaws in the hardware itself like wearing off, thermal paste drying out etc.

Almost every single piece of hardware in a PC that produces extensive heat has some kind of safety switch that powers down the PC if things get too hot. If you got spare hardware you can try this by taking off the CPU cooler and start the PC, in 99.99% of the tries it will shutdown once the CPU reaches a certain temperature. Same goes for the Northbridge/Southbridge on the mainboard and the graficscards.

BSODs and random powerdowns without overheating are most likely caused by a bad or underpowered PSU. Yes PSU got certain specs but especially cheap ones can't handle too much load on single rails which will most likely be the 12V rail.

I'm running a 700W beQuiet Black Power something PSU with following hardware:

1x GTX570 GLH GS Gainward Card
1x Xfi Titanium Soundcard (the one with the frontpanel)
2x Samsung DVD Writer
4x 1TB Samsung Harddrive
1x Crosshair IV Asus Mainboard
4x 120mm fans
4x 90mm fans

Random peripherals connected are:
1x Roccat Kone Mouse
1x G15 Keyboard
1x USB Cooler for my snus and other stuff
all of those sucking some extra power off the PSU.

With 100% load on like everything except the drives and the spare harddisks I've yet to run into a single power down.

To just say it again...

- clean your case
- lower all the graphic setings
- clean up the cables in your case to improve airflow
- get some temperature monitoring software (most mainboards got them on the tools/drivers disc)
- install additional case fans (this is for advanced users)
- manually crank up the fans for your CPU/GPU if temperatures get too high
- underclock your GPU/CPU (this is for experts only who know what they're doing)

What temperatures your system can handle are very dependent on the hardware. In 90% of the cases I've diagnosed so far the system gets unstable (BSODs and hangups) before anything even tries to fry. From my experience especially ATI cards seem to get unstable beyond 70°C while my nVidia is handling 83°C right now fairly well. Another thing that can happen is that it's not the usual hardware piece that fails but rather some other stuff like RAM because the hot air from other hardware creates hotspots that don't get cooled by the case fans.

If your PSU fails please ask some hardware geek what type and brand of PSU you should buy

dankeeys
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:26:00 - [145]
 

Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 18:22:53
Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:35:14
Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:33:19
JT Black...You have still not brought anything of worth to the table….You still seem to me missing the point...people will complain, that’s the nature of humans. If something does not go our way we tend to complain.

Hardware burning out/overheating is poor cooling issues and/or combined with a power supply that is not capable of powering the system….I am not theorising, this is fact. The fact that Calar ian’s pc seems to be cooled adequately based on his previous posts (although no confirmation if it was stuck in a computer desk cupboard or not), my guess would be his PSU was not capable of running his system, having no clarity on this however, it is just a guess.

I have explained poor performance PSU’s in a previous thread and explained why mine blew, luckily I only lost the PSU, so I do have 1st hand experience in how to overheat and blow PC components. This is one reason why I am posting on these threads ….not to start an argument with a total stranger, but to try and advise other people on how they should check their temps, do system stress tests, check what their PC power usage is, and calculate what their PSU is actually capable of.

Example on PSU’s

SIMPLE FACT ..CALDAR IANS PSU WAS NOT ENOUGH TO RUN HIS SYSTEM AT FULL LOAD. THE BELOW EXAMPLE (1ST ONE) INCLUDES THE PSU HE WAS USING IN HIS PC, HIS PC RUNNING FULL LOAD CPU, GPU AND HIGH RAM USAGE WOULD REQUIRE MINIMUM OF CIRCA 390 WATTS ON THE 12 VOLT RAIL TO WORK CORRECTLY


http://shop.aktiscomputing.co.uk/colors-it-750w-gold-low-noise-psu-pfc-12cm-fan-sata-366-p.asp

The above PSU is what caldar ian was using…its sold as a 750 watt supply it has 420 watts on the 12 volt rail, real life environment at best you are gonna get 336 watts from it, in reality in a warm place over 25 degrees C room temp, well under 300 watts.
http://www.corsair.com/power-supplies/non-modular-psus/enthusiast-series-1/vx550w.html

The above PSU is sold as a 550 watt supply it has 492 watts 12 volt rail, continuous real environment so you will get 492 watts from it.

The second one is far superior to the first….reason; the first has 420 watts on the 12v rail (which is where power for CPU and GPU comes from, most important) it also is only rated at 420 watts at a temp of circa 30 degrees C, it will run in the region of 40-60 degrees C depending on the environment, so at best assume you will get 80% of that power which makes 336 watts
The second PSU is rated at 492 watts on the 12 volt rail, however this one is rated at operating temp, which from memory on corsair PSU’s is 60 degrees C, basically you will get exactly what it states on the box.

Fact, if you buy a computer off the shelf from a PC shop, you will probably get a worse PSu that the Colorsit one I mentioned above, as colorsit or their new brand CIT are sorta top of the range, low specification PSUs.

I don’t like saying this, but there is no excuse for doing research on the internet, checking what you buy and educating yourself on how PC’s work



1. MY PC is a pretty standard run of the mill PC, Q6600 overclocked to 3.6ghz, 2 HD4850s, 850watt corsair PSU, 2gb DDR 800 Ram….nothing special...am I ****ed of with the crappy performance and issues with Incarna..YES. But what do you want? Eve to stay static based on several year old tech’...to suite people with low end computers

2. Thanks for the heads up on my mental ability but no I don’t think I am simple, and certainly not in denial…denial of what tho’ I’m not sure

3. Im not wasting your time….if you don’t wanna respond to me then don’t, otherwise you are wasting your time

Generally in the gaming industry if things don’t evolve they tend to not last very long, this is not me defending CCP, as I’m as ****ed off as most people over all this. BUT…plenty of other users have offered a multitude of more than likely reasons for the ops problems, namely heat due to poor cooling

dankeeys
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:28:00 - [146]
 

imagine, reflecting on the pretty much constant toons logged into eve before and after the Incarna patch on a daily basis.

How am I supposed to resolve the OPS problem JT Black? As unfortunately his PC has already died and that’s it. Am I sorry for him losing valuable components in his PC…yes. But that’s all done and finished now…What I have been doing and other members is offering some basic sound advise, on how OTHER people might be able to avoid the same problem.

I agree that some 'general pc users' do not entertain temps & voltage etc, that is one issue in itself. The main issue however is that if a PC component burns out playing a game or anything else for that matter then its not fit for purpose, and if it was bought from a shop that’s where it should go straight back to, and if it’s a self build PC then the builder should really go back to the drawing board and learn how to build an adequately cooled and powered PC. I know I test things before I start using them on a daily basis, there are numerous websites dedicated to stress testing PCs for this very thing.

I will give you a quick simple analogy…say you bought a lawnmower, and your grass was quite long…and the lawnmower broke/burnt out…when cutting it would you shake your fist at the grass because it was too long or would you take it straight back to the shop, telling them the thing does not cut grass?

Higher specification PC’s mean nothing in this instance, if they are not cooled and powered adequately even the best PC in the world will break.

dankeeys
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:49:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Demon Flames
dankeeys

You sound mad ?

Are you mad ?


hehe, no I'm not mad mate...just trying to help a bit where I can Very Happy

JT Black
Amarr
ALPHA REACTION
Posted - 2011.06.26 23:39:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 18:22:53
Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:35:14
Edited by: dankeeys on 26/06/2011 17:33:19

Laughing

Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.27 03:00:00 - [149]
 

Confirming CQ was the likely culprit for blowing up my NV GTX 280. I'm actually not mad because it was kind of overdue for an upgrade, but really sad way for it to go.

Seems the TIM on the VRAM got too hot and fried a couple modules. The computer ran fine on desktop and even ran FurMark (which uses very little VRAM) but whenever I got into a game for more than five minutes, instant system failure.

CQ was pushing my NV card to 105C.

The Illuminist
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.27 04:56:00 - [150]
 

Edited by: The Illuminist on 27/06/2011 04:57:11
Confirming this as well. Mine went from 45C to 103C before I force quit Eve out of concern for my rig. Within 20 seconds I was almost back down to 45C after force quitting.

i7 2630 2Ghz
12GB DDR2
GeForce GTX 460

Fans went ape****.

When I checked Speedfan, it was reporting all temps in my system had gone bat**** high. I don't recall how high my CPU got, but yeah. It is an issue.


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