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Tommbo
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:01:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Kagumichan
Edited by: Kagumichan on 22/06/2011 14:56:11
If anyone here does have a laptop that is able to run Incarna at an acceptable level without the likelihood of it imploding or melting into moon goo, could you please let us know what your system stats are so we can try to work out an average idea of what kind of requirements a laptop needs to run Incarna?


My portable system is a Alienware M11x Revision 2 (the budget 11" version). Runs CQ fine with most of the settings set to high (45-60 fps). It runs hot especially if there isn't adequate airflow to the vents under the laptop (I would recommend elevating the laptop a bit). Dell periodically runs specials on these machines that drops the price to the $800 range which is more than reasonable for a gaming laptop.

Here's the general specs:
i7-640UM (OC + turbo up to 2.8ghz) ~65-68C under load using intel burn test (far more intensive than the Eve client)
1366x768 screen res
8GB of RAM
NVIDIA GeForce GT 335M

Elezondo
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:08:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs.


Thats a complete load of BS. Auto shutdown is a motherboard feature, not a CPU feature.

Frisian Outlaw
VIRTUAL EMPIRE VANGUARD
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:20:00 - [63]
 

When will CCP gonna give a comment on this post??

Tommbo
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:22:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. This is why they are a favorite of overclockers, it allows for a wide range of overclocking capabilities, but it also is very unforgiving if you do something wrong.

I'm not saying it's your fault, but realize that EvE Incarna employs brand new technology with real-time ray traces and light reflective surfaces (radiosity), developed in concert with MIT. While it might look SIMILAR to modern games, it isn't in the fact that textures aren't pre-baked (to seem like they have shadow etc). They're all shaded real time.

This is likely the reason you blew your processor, settings were too high and poof.

For your NEXT processor and motherboard, consider an Asus x58 chipset with a intel i7 950, best bang for the buck. For cooling, invest in a Corsair H70, it is a maintenance-free localized water cooling system, and it works WONDERFULLY!!! (Localized means that it only cools the CPU, requires no change of fluid or filters, installs like a regular CPU cooler).

The only overheating you will have to be concerned with is your video cards, but that's not even too much of a problem.


This is fraught with misinformation.

There is a very active overclocking community for both Intel and AMD based systems. Chips from either maker can easily fry if someone doesn't do their homework ahead of time, otherwise overclocking for either maker is relatively safe and trouble-free.

Most of the load introduced in Incarna is placed on the GPU, and no system set-up correctly with adequate cooling will "blow" even when run at max load. That said, it could have been old/damaged components which were stressed beyond their limits.

The x58 based boards/processors are overkill for Eve. If you go the Intel route, the LGA 1156 or 1155 socket motherboards with a quad core i5 CPU is going to give you the biggest bang for your buck. The hyperthreading offered on the i7-950 is not used in Eve and the turbo boost settings are not as aggressive as the new Sandybridge i5's which does make a significant impact in games. The new Corsair H60 is a better deal as well and operates quieter than its predecessors. A decent air cooler can do the job just as well, especially if the CPU is not overclocked.

FYI - water cooling does not require any special fluid just basic distilled water, doesn't require filters, and does not require fluid to be changed except if you add/remove components.

Kougy
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:23:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Elezondo
Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs.


Thats a complete load of BS. Auto shutdown is a motherboard feature, not a CPU feature.



Correct, I think I meant to say thermal protection built into the processor, there was a time when AMD chips didn't throttle when they got too hot, where as Intel chips do, correct me if I'm wrong. I think my information is a bit dated. I still have to assume the CPU overheated though and the computer didn't shut down.

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:24:00 - [66]
 

Well I didnt get any warning

it went poof and off lol

thermal paste completely burned away, dead. Sad

I have ordered a replacement, something i can not afford to do really but can not bare to be without my pc.
this is all i can afford 239.98 inc VAT.
Bundle Specification
- CPU: Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.00GHz
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
- RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel
- Cooler: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev2 CPU cooler

I hope my psu and ATI HD5700 are ok otherwise I am screwed.
Still waiting for ccp to reply to my petition. Neutral

Darwin Edison
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:24:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Elezondo
Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs.


Thats a complete load of BS. Auto shutdown is a motherboard feature, not a CPU feature.


Agreed. My computer begins throttling the CPU at 70c and there's a shutdown point as well but I'm not going to look it up right now. It's a feature of the MB BIOS, not the CPU itself.

Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters.

Just for the sake of providing a bit more info in case anyone really is trying to figure out what's going on, my CPU utilization is in the same ballpark as it was last night, bouncing between high forties and high seventies. My GPU utilization is around eighty percent, and memory usage (with 4mb) is around eighty percent as well.

Tommbo
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:30:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: caldar ian
Well I didnt get any warning

it went poof and off lol

thermal paste completely burned away, dead. Sad

I have ordered a replacement, something i can not afford to do really but can not bare to be without my pc.
this is all i can afford 239.98 inc VAT.
Bundle Specification
- CPU: Intel Core i3 550 3.20GHz @ 4.00GHz
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-UD2H (Socket 1156) DDR3 Motherboard
- RAM: Kingston HyperX Blu 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel
- Cooler: Artic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro Rev2 CPU cooler

I hope my psu and ATI HD5700 are ok otherwise I am screwed.
Still waiting for ccp to reply to my petition. Neutral



What brand of PSU are you using? I would highly recommend getting it tested, as faulty PSUs are one of the biggest killers for systems.

The rest of the components look good, although a quad is a pretty decent investment these days since many newer games/programs now support them.

Kougy
Posted - 2011.06.22 19:40:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 19:41:47
Originally by: Tommbo
Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
I realize this is somewhat of a moot point since its post-computer apocalypse for you, but I hope you are aware that Athlon processors have no auto shut down when they reach their maximum operating temperature, unlike intel CPUs. This is why they are a favorite of overclockers, it allows for a wide range of overclocking capabilities, but it also is very unforgiving if you do something wrong.

I'm not saying it's your fault, but realize that EvE Incarna employs brand new technology with real-time ray traces and light reflective surfaces (radiosity), developed in concert with MIT. While it might look SIMILAR to modern games, it isn't in the fact that textures aren't pre-baked (to seem like they have shadow etc). They're all shaded real time.

This is likely the reason you blew your processor, settings were too high and poof.

For your NEXT processor and motherboard, consider an Asus x58 chipset with a intel i7 950, best bang for the buck. For cooling, invest in a Corsair H70, it is a maintenance-free localized water cooling system, and it works WONDERFULLY!!! (Localized means that it only cools the CPU, requires no change of fluid or filters, installs like a regular CPU cooler).

The only overheating you will have to be concerned with is your video cards, but that's not even too much of a problem.


This is fraught with misinformation.

There is a very active overclocking community for both Intel and AMD based systems. Chips from either maker can easily fry if someone doesn't do their homework ahead of time, otherwise overclocking for either maker is relatively safe and trouble-free.

Most of the load introduced in Incarna is placed on the GPU, and no system set-up correctly with adequate cooling will "blow" even when run at max load. That said, it could have been old/damaged components which were stressed beyond their limits.

The x58 based boards/processors are overkill for Eve. If you go the Intel route, the LGA 1156 or 1155 socket motherboards with a quad core i5 CPU is going to give you the biggest bang for your buck. The hyperthreading offered on the i7-950 is not used in Eve and the turbo boost settings are not as aggressive as the new Sandybridge i5's which does make a significant impact in games. The new Corsair H60 is a better deal as well and operates quieter than its predecessors. A decent air cooler can do the job just as well, especially if the CPU is not overclocked.

FYI - water cooling does not require any special fluid just basic distilled water, doesn't require filters, and does not require fluid to be changed except if you add/remove components.



I guess I was misinformed, apologies. I'm not sure what you were implying with your second paragraph, I wasn't promoting or discrediting either brand.

The x58 aren't that expensive anymore, and I doubt that this individual seeks to play ONLY eve. The i7 950 is cheaper than the i5 2600k, but the i5 seems to perform better when overclocked - so I agree with your statement. If he does plan on overclocking, then an H50, H60, or H70 would all be fine.

While I might be generally misinformed about some things, I do know that it is suggested that you change your water out every 6 months, it is also "A good idea to use anti-biological additive to your coolant" which substantially prolongs the life of the fluid. Some systems do use filters. So it is incorrect to say that water cooling systems use "Just distilled water, don't need to change it ever."

The Corsair H series localized water cooling units don't require any knowledge of water cooling systems, just a rudimentary understanding of how to install the damn thing.

caldar ian
Final Destination.
Posted - 2011.06.22 20:06:00 - [70]
 

Its a CIT (made in china)

High efficiency 750W PSU
12cm silent cooling fan
Dual 12v rails


AC INPUT: 230VAC 10A 50-60Hz Model 750UB
DC
Output
Max +3.3V +5V +12V1 +12V2 -12V +5VSB
28A 30A 20A 20A 0.3A 2.5A
750 W
had good reviews and was in my budget at the time, had it in my system for two years with no problem. I have also tried another PSU with my motherboard to check it wasn't the PSU at fault. Board lights come on and then its dead, no fans spin, no post, nothing

AthlonJedi
Gallente
RazorBlade Smile Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.22 20:51:00 - [71]
 

hmm i must be a lucky one, my quadcore x64 doesnt even flinch running incarna, AMD Phenom x4 on a gigabyte board and radeon 5770 ( also doesnt have any issues )everything in my system runs within normal temps and frame rates even in fullscreen eyefinity.

Gaeid Modiso
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:28:00 - [72]
 

Edited by: Gaeid Modiso on 22/06/2011 21:35:28
Edited by: Gaeid Modiso on 22/06/2011 21:29:37
Originally by: Darwin Edison
There definitely seems to be something going on with AMD processors.


Not just AMD, my Intel i7 965 extreme will spike up to 70-80% usage on all 4 cores and my temps will hit 100c. Part of that problem is my liquid cooling solution isn't capable of keeping the CPU cool when all 4 cores get to that amount of usage, but then again I've never seen anything cause all 4 cores to get that high on utilization. If I turn off HDR on all 3 clients I run it gets a lot better and CPU usage goes down to 30-50% on all 4 cores, and it drops even lower if I turn off post processing. It seems like the EVE client is offloading graphics work to the CPU.

My GPU will spike to 100% usage in CQ even with HDR turned off, but I use MSI Afterburner to control the fan so my GPU temp never gets above 75c.

p.s. yes, I regularly clean the heat exchanger fan that my liquid cooling block uses.

p.p.s for people who are getting fried components, your cooling solutions aren't working correctly. get software that monitors your temps and run it, and make adjustments as needed. I use Core Temp to monitor CPU temp and MSI Afterburner to monitor GPU temp (and control the fan). HINT: default GPU drivers are notoriously flaky when it comes to properly controlling the GPU fan, I had a lot of problems with ATI cards not ramping up the fan speed when GPU temp climbed, and this will lead to a fried GPU.

George Holden
Gallente
Syndicated Systems
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2011.06.22 21:53:00 - [73]
 

Running 2x 1920*1080 with everything on high except shadows (no point losing fps to a feature that's almost invisible to me :>).

Running:

Phenom X4 975
8 GB OCZ Ram
Gigabyte GTX570 GLH (factory overclocked)
Some Asus Mainboard

GPU temp skyrockets during docking time and stops at around 80C with fan speed being around 70-80%. It gets quite loud due to the fact that the GLH cards cooling seems a bit undersized but it's perfectly stable for 2h+ with both clients docked and under full load.
After a few hours gaming both clients eat up around 1.4gb ram which is more than pre-Incarna but still okay for me with around 4GB left.

If you're having stability issues:
- Open case and dust off and and be careful with the vaccuum cleaner if using any :>
- Relocate your PC this is a common mistake I see especially on "special" pc desks that have some tiny compartments. Airflow inside the case alone doesn't usually do the trick if the hot air that gets exhausted gets "stuck" around your case.
- Monitor temps under load, sorry it's late I'm too tired to google for the tools but you'll find them
- If temps are too high and the fan's aren't speeding up try to manually force them to
- If speeding up fans doesn't help turn down graphic settings one by one starting with the one's that don't impact your gameplay all too much
- If turning off the "goodies" doesn't help turn off major settings like shader detail etc.
- Lowering resolution helps as well
- If lowering the settings alone doesn't help (eg. getting more FPS but temps are still rising) try underclocking your GPU, this will impact your fps but it might help keeping down the temperature

BOFH2
Posted - 2011.06.22 23:02:00 - [74]
 

Running

I7 920 @ 4.26ghz on Corsair H70
6gb
Nvidia 460 1gb sli
Antec P193 case + lots of fans

Runs 1920*1080 all set to high no problems.

But

All 4 cores running at nearly 50%! The h70 keeps it all under 60C but system sound like it's taking off, only normally get that if I'm benching or OC testing!

No surprise it's overheating poorly cooled systems. Only have this on CQ. Soon as I undock back to one core ticking over around 30%, rest mostly idle. Seems CQ is either bugged or way too advanced for today's mainstream hardware!


Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:06:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: caldar ian
keep an eye on those temperatures


That's a very good tip for EVE in general.

Couple of years ago I had a $500+ ATI card that played the then fairly demanding Far Cry, and other similar games, just fine on max settings. I log on EVE and the card melted.. memory leaks.

Since then I kept to $50-150 Nvidia cards and kept a close eye on the temperature. Had an issue with a second PC, also ATI-card, also memory leak. Adjusted gfx settings and avoided longer spells on that particular hardware.

EVE has always been a deathtrap for hardware. Only game that had these major leaks for me, but several occations it's been quite severe.

LoneEcho
Gallente
Paragon Fury
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Kagumichan
Originally by: LoneEcho
Edited by: LoneEcho on 22/06/2011 17:39:50
I too am having my GPU go on fire.

The second I go in CQ, my GPU jumps to 100% usage and my temp on GPU hits 99C. I had to optimize for performance and disable CQ to be able to be docked without having my GPU sound like a jet plane taking off

i7 950
evga 460gtx EE
evga x58 FTW3 mobo
6GB 1600 ram.. Soon to be 12GB.
850watt PSU.
120mm fan on the side, 2 other which I believe are 80mm on the back and 1 on the top of my pc. Lots of airflow.


Try clearing your computer case and processer fan/heatsink of any dust, if that does not work, try the possible solution mentioned earlier in the thread.



Case is can aired often. I also have a fan in the front. As for the virtual memory. My hardware should be more then enough to handle any game in high settings.

I really like the CQ but too bad I can't have it on or my pc hits 99C unless I optimize for performance which puts it to around 80C but that's still crazy.

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:07:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Billy Danacreon
Dont blame the game for your hardware issues.

Worst case scenario : the game will use 100% of both your GPU and CPU, and even that should not cause any system failure.
True, though my runs under 100% load with graphics all the way up, or all the way down. I can't find the source of why my CPU is getting hit so hard. While my graphics card is constantly at 0% load. It's like it is transferring the work load to my CPU.

Everywhere else seems fine. So I think there is something in the Captains quarters that is stressing the CPU mainly. Also clean our your damned computer! It is extremely easy to do. And you won't have to buy new crap when you fry your old stuff.

To monitor temperatures use speedfan or pc wizard. Both have minimize settings so you can view temps while using fixed window. I never let my gpu get over 70c or processor over 50c.

Azureblaze Vanedal
Posted - 2011.06.23 00:16:00 - [78]
 

Edited by: Azureblaze Vanedal on 23/06/2011 00:36:02
Edited by: Azureblaze Vanedal on 23/06/2011 00:32:54
Hmm, seems Eve is actually using multiple cores when in CQ, it's also using more GPU than non-CQ. I'm thinking some systems just can't handle this.

My ATI 5850 GPU is 80% usage in CQ. 50-55% not in CQ. Eve is also using all my 4 physical CPU cores, most games don't do that. About 20-23% Cpu usage going on with less than 1GB of RAM usage.

When one component heats up the others do in tandem, using more cores/ higher GPU usage = more heat. A combination of everything heating up without enough airflow is never good.

I'm thinking this issue mainly is a higher CPU/GPU load issue than normal that is affecting other components and frying some systems due largely to; not enough airflow. Likely, this is due to the CPU being pushed more than normal because EVE is actually using all your available cores. That, combined with not enough airflow in general and the summer heat, would be dangerous for some.

Laptops simply do not have the airflow of a desktop, and can for sure get quite hot. I highly recommend cooling pads for any sort of laptop you would game on,especially with the elevated summer ambient temperatures.

I think CCP should perhaps have better CPU/GPU load balancing so it is not so taxing on any specific component. This is hard to do, but can hurt a game if not done from the get go. EQ2 was primarily CPU bound and has since shifted more items to GPU to help performance, but it appears to be a long and delicate process.


Overall, I'd say these are stability issues of certain hardware setups. When a system is actually near full load or at it, and that is sustained, it's just like a stress test, like a benchmark to test system stability.

If EVE is doing that to your computer, and you :

A. Have any weak or failing components.

And/or

B. Don't have enough airflow for the increased load.

Then, your system may very well blue screen, or even worse burn up.

Good luck everyone, and if CCP can do anything for this issue, and there is indeed an issue, I'm sure they will do something about it.

If you are having heat problems, I highly recommend disabling the station feature until you can get better airflow and/or EVE optimizes the new graphics engine further.

Edit : was saying my GPU didn't go over 20% earlier, changed/editing as I was looking at CPU not GPU monitor for that one in my monitoring software..

Thayne en Welle
Posted - 2011.06.23 04:16:00 - [79]
 

This may be a complete coincidence and it didn't even occur to me until I saw this thread. Yesterday I cam home from work and logged in to Incarna. I was playing for a bit, checking out CQ and suddenly BAM, PC just shuts down. Turned out my PSU was fried. When I popped the PSU out I noticed that the CPU was very hot but my graphics card was not. My PSU sits right by my CPU and the heat sink on it. I routinely play plenty of games that have high spec req's and have never had an issue.

This could totally be a coincidence but it does seem a bit fishy that it happened on the first day of Incarna while in the CQ and that others are reporting similar issues.

I really hope that this is coincidence as are these other reports because that type of irresponsible coding would be unforgivable.

Xort
Posted - 2011.06.23 05:00:00 - [80]
 

Sounds like the problem people had with Star Craft 2.

Force your vertical sync on in your graphics diver settings.

However, a computer should be able to run at 100% use unlimitedly. If you can overheat your system your system has cooling issues.

I run EVE on an old system (socket 939, XP 64), that I'v put a new video card in to do Bitcoin mining. This means my GPU runs at 100% 24/7. No issues other than my GPU is very hot all the time.


Thom Baron
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.23 05:10:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Thom Baron on 23/06/2011 05:12:53

Hogan Miner
Posted - 2011.06.23 05:20:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Hogan Miner on 23/06/2011 05:29:14
I notice one thing with my friends biggest problems are in hangar room or when you face that direction CPU goes UP rapidly when in CQ... even when you look by camera that direction cpu goes rapidly up..

If you just sit on ass and look at TV its about 50 60 max 70% on my CPU athlon X2 dual core 5600+ but when go to hangar or just look this way i get my self to 70-80% sometimes 95 and qouite a lot :)
My GPU ATI6850 50% activity 40% fan temp around 70 its normal for her.. :) has no problmes even with two clients at once but my CPU will be terible overloaded and its not so old ok its not the newest model but still i think it should work fine with game like eve .. :)) no problems at all in more complex 3D games CCP realy miss something when they make CQ especialy that hangar part :)) or they try to fry our athlons :)


Kahndrian Vochre
Posted - 2011.06.23 05:39:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Kahndrian Vochre on 23/06/2011 05:40:16
Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters.


I noticed this as well today after patching. My CPU is maxing out at about 77C-81C today when it was 87C-90C yesterday. Still hot but a lot more acceptable. My system is a Gaming Laptop so it's designed to run hot but the max is 90C. Today it's more comparable to other high system demand games like Crysis 2 or Shogun:Total War(They run at about 74C-78C). They do seem to be working on this but one room still shouldn't be running that hot. My GPU is running at about 67C(This is almost within the no load range for my system). It seems that Incarna CQ is way overtaxing CPUs while the GPU is almost dormant on some systems. This still needs work.

FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:02:00 - [84]
 

Edited by: FlameGlow on 23/06/2011 07:02:23
Originally by: Kahndrian Vochre
Edited by: Kahndrian Vochre on 23/06/2011 05:40:16
Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters.


I noticed this as well today after patching. My CPU is maxing out at about 77C-81C today when it was 87C-90C yesterday. Still hot but a lot more acceptable. My system is a Gaming Laptop so it's designed to run hot but the max is 90C. Today it's more comparable to other high system demand games like Crysis 2 or Shogun:Total War(They run at about 74C-78C). They do seem to be working on this but one room still shouldn't be running that hot. My GPU is running at about 67C(This is almost within the no load range for my system). It seems that Incarna CQ is way overtaxing CPUs while the GPU is almost dormant on some systems. This still needs work.


That's odd, because for me GPU seems more stressed
I got i7-930, 6 Gb RAM and GTX470 1Gb in aerocool case with fans on every side.
Normally playing EVE GPU is about 50 degrees hot with its fan running quietly at 40% speed
Entering CQ pushes it into permanent 90% load, quickly heats to 90-100, fan speeds up to noisy 100% speed, cools it down to 75-80 and then keeps stable at that temp at 80% fan speed. It also runs around 55-60 fps with all settings on high.
I don't see anything in CQ to justify such load Neutral

Chibisuke
Gallente
Children of Avalon
Posted - 2011.06.23 07:47:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Chibisuke on 23/06/2011 08:04:43
Well I can run Benchmark3D or other stress testing utilities all day long without any problems, but as soon as I turn on incarna content (enable the "Load station environment" checkbox) the system tempreture rises enourmously.

Luckily my Intel CPUs just reduce their frequency then, which just causes incarna content to drop from ~40FPS down to 3 FPS within 10 minutes. - Unplayable.

I don't (yet) know what CCP is doing with their new sh*t but I'm expecting that this program definitly does something non-compliant to the hardware which might cause serious hardware damage.

Happening on all of my PCs including the laptops - no overclocking of anything in place, no obstruction of any cooling openings or anything. -> incarna = dead

In the meanwhile - until CCP fixes their sh*t I strongly suggest everyone to turn off incarna content, as there is a high risk of damaging your hardware.


I'd strongly suggest to CCP to take down incarna content, until the cause of this issue is found, to prevent further claims for compensation. Your disclaimer in the terms of service are invalid in this case.

PS: interesting to see that CCP is able to moderate this thread (by deleting "inapropriate content"), but doesn't bother to reply to it.

PS2: Yes it is possible for software to overhead a CPU on purpose even if its properly cooled. This is what for example Power Viruses do

Shaso Yhe
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:22:00 - [86]
 

I'm reasonably sure, at this point, that the primary culprit is the full physically simulated hair and clothing. For some reason Incarna has this checked by default, but some cards can't handle heavy physics loads, especially the ATI cards I've run into. This is also why I believe some people are having GPU problems and others are having CPU problems. Physics simulation is rendered by the GPU if it is capable of such things, but is delegated to the CPU if the GPU can't handle it.

I tested this shortly, it did have an effect on my system. I have an AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+, 4 GB of RAM, and Two Nvidia 8800 GTS's running in SLI with PhysX enabled on the second card. Basically, with hair and clothing physics enabled my temps ran high, CPU: 58-61C, GPU1:70-71C, and GPU2:80-83C. What I found most interesting is that the card with PhysX enabled was running much higher than the others. Without physically simulated hair and clothing though my temps dropped significantly, CPU: 52-54C, GPU1:68-70C, and GPU2:70-72C More experimentation is obviously necessary.

Until then, I recommend that everyone at least turn off physics simulated hair and clothing.

Rebel Boss
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:55:00 - [87]
 

Yea eve is a deathtrap for hardware cuzu freaks play 24/h nonstop all year eve, thats why... Eventualy a pc will fail by "natural causes" and when that happen u will be in eve, cuz u play all day so... Yea eve burn your systems! :D

Irascor Luclin
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:27:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Irascor Luclin on 23/06/2011 12:31:43

Dude above me summed it up correctly.

I see some people saying "eve blew up my computer", no that isn't the case.

If you submitted a ticket stating that 'EVE' destroyed your computer you're a faceass.

My system doesn't get crazy hot, reboot, lock with CQ on. Air Cooled


Kahndrian Vochre
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:22:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: FlameGlow
Edited by: FlameGlow on 23/06/2011 07:02:23
Originally by: Kahndrian Vochre
Edited by: Kahndrian Vochre on 23/06/2011 05:40:16
Originally by: Kougy
Edited by: Kougy on 22/06/2011 18:45:19
Interestingly, since last night things have changed for me. I don't know if it was a stealth fix in today's patch or if the computer fairy paid me a visit. This afternoon, I ran two instances of the game with Incarna active (staying in station) for over an hour and never got over 55c. Compared to yesterdays 64/65c, that's quite a difference (and the difference between the safe operating temp for my CPU and bordering on a bad situation). Lots of games get my computer to 55. I haven't had the GPU or FPS issues that a lot of players are complaining of. So, I'm back in business...and can even keep my spiffy albeit useless Captain's Quarters.


I noticed this as well today after patching. My CPU is maxing out at about 77C-81C today when it was 87C-90C yesterday. Still hot but a lot more acceptable. My system is a Gaming Laptop so it's designed to run hot but the max is 90C. Today it's more comparable to other high system demand games like Crysis 2 or Shogun:Total War(They run at about 74C-78C). They do seem to be working on this but one room still shouldn't be running that hot. My GPU is running at about 67C(This is almost within the no load range for my system). It seems that Incarna CQ is way overtaxing CPUs while the GPU is almost dormant on some systems. This still needs work.


That's odd, because for me GPU seems more stressed
I got i7-930, 6 Gb RAM and GTX470 1Gb in aerocool case with fans on every side.
Normally playing EVE GPU is about 50 degrees hot with its fan running quietly at 40% speed
Entering CQ pushes it into permanent 90% load, quickly heats to 90-100, fan speeds up to noisy 100% speed, cools it down to 75-80 and then keeps stable at that temp at 80% fan speed. It also runs around 55-60 fps with all settings on high.
I don't see anything in CQ to justify such load Neutral


You may be on to something there as I've noticed from this thread and others the CPU heat issues seems to be happening to people with ATI cards while nVidia cards seem to be the ones having GPU heat issues. Perhaps the code is optimized(I use that term loosely) for nVidia only so ATI cards that can't cope are offloading most of the processing to the CPU? As for 'Simulated hair and cloth' I turned that off the night I was having heat issues and it didn't seem to have any immediate effect but maybe after sitting all night and starting again from a cool state it may be why I had a temp drop. I'll have to monitor it closely and maybe experiment a little.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.06.23 14:28:00 - [90]
 

Edited by: Glyken Touchon on 23/06/2011 14:39:17
Originally by: Haraldhardrade
I got a fairly fast computer with a GTX 570. Whenever I dock I hear my fans fire up like crazy. Undock and they slow down again.


same here.

I've got the fps capped at 60 (interval one) as a general safety measure anyway, because I can't normally tell the difference between higher rates.

edit:
Originally by: Kahndrian Vochre
You may be on to something there as I've noticed from this thread and others the CPU heat issues seems to be happening to people with ATI cards while nVidia cards seem to be the ones having GPU heat issues. Perhaps the code is optimized(I use that term loosely) for nVidia only so ATI cards that can't cope are offloading most of the processing to the CPU?
PhysX is processed on GPU for NVidia, but on CPU for ATI.


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