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Omegris
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:46:00 - [1321]
 

Edited by: Omegris on 23/06/2011 23:47:38
I almost never post, but this thread deserves comment.

I recently bought a *real life* skirt for my GF for $17.

A virtual skirt on the NeX currently costs aporoximately $17 (using current plex conversion rates).

Now, CCP, answer me this: Why would I buy a virtual skirt for a virtual character for THE SAME the cost of a real skirt that can be worn by a real character? Very Happy

Your virtual goods need to cost a *FRACTION* (and I'm talking proper fraction where the numerator is smaller than the denominator, not an improper fraction) of what real life goods cost, otherwise all people will do is laugh and/or unsub.

Contessa Colbert
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:51:00 - [1322]
 

You can buy current nex items for isk, a pair of boots is only 400,000,000 isk. Balanced right. CNR battleship or some boots.

I cancelled both my accounts not for the poor launch but over the general direction of ccp.

Dust being Ps3 only
Nex is a joke
Leaked pdf info
Bs dev attitudes and forum responses and lack thereof
Ignoring, improper use of Csm
24hour wardeck timer garbage allowing kill after cancel.
Citibank executive in leadership (corrupt organization crushing dreams of millions)


Some of these can be fixed, but after seeing CCPS REAL future vision i dont want any part of it.

You make FUNCOM look good ccp. What a sucker we all are.

Zverofaust
Gallente
Ascetic Virtues
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:52:00 - [1323]
 

Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items.

Cooper Anderson Stewart
Caldari
Casalt Corp
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:56:00 - [1324]
 

Originally by: Edward Olmops
Edited by: Edward Olmops on 23/06/2011 21:53:14
Good point, fully agree with Glyken.

Anyone who complains about this M(icro/ega)T stuff should consider

a) ignoring the NeX and playing EVE instead (with a cool CQ TV instead of spinning the ship all night long)

b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! (to all who don't know this paradigm: it's like in WOW - you pop or you are podded and your clothes come back at no cost! Sounds weird, hm?)
Ok, the physics behind this are a bit obscure, but consider this scene: YOU are the badass guy pirate with that evil look and the monocle. YARRRR!!
Everyone knows you and fears you. Now you fly to that station to do what ever shady things you want to do, but... well... sort of bad luck, you know, you have to tell all people that YOU are the evil guy with the monocle. That is, NORMALLY. You are just a bit short on cash, because you just ... erm... sort of ran into that gate camp. And that guy over there - yes, the one that actually wear the monocle - , he was the one to be first at the wreck... Neutral



How long have you worked for CCP Games?

Velani Askiras
Posted - 2011.06.23 23:59:00 - [1325]
 

Originally by: Zverofaust
Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items.


Very true, remove one 0 and it would be fine.

If you want expensive stuff, then add clothes you have shown us already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbYsHbGYmU
For such a dress you can indeed raise the price. But it still shouldn't cost 80$ either.

Takishu
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:04:00 - [1326]
 

The point is to make us cry over the price of the object, accepting by that the very point that they are selling us objects we don't want.

Then, they lower the price... And everyone is fine with that : Yeaaah. Victory. They listen us! We have won! Mh... Wait ?

Vin Hellsing
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:25:00 - [1327]
 

Originally by: Velani Askiras
Originally by: Zverofaust
Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items.


Very true, remove one 0 and it would be fine.

If you want expensive stuff, then add clothes you have shown us already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbYsHbGYmU
For such a dress you can indeed raise the price. But it still shouldn't cost 80$ either.



THe visual resources they demonstrated in that video look like they belong to the World of Darkness MMO, not EVE. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

Still, I find it ******ed that ATI video cards get left in the cold with this APEX physics processing.

Neroon Kashada
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:27:00 - [1328]
 

Edited by: Neroon Kashada on 24/06/2011 00:28:32
Wow the overeaction to the new NeX Store prices is downright hilarious. Let me clarify a few things to the masses of rageaholics out there.

1. VANITY ITEMS- meaning, not required, does not impact gameplay, CCP is not putting a gun to your head to buy these things.
2. AURUM-this new currency is tied to plex which is tied to isk. Low initial NeX store prices would inflate plex prices which devalues isk.
3. MICROTRANSACTIONS-So, CCP is exploring new revenue models, SO IS EVERY FRACKING BUSINESS ON THE PLANET. You can't exactly find programmers,developers at your local goodwill or salvation army. It's like people want the resources of a multi-billion dollar corporation at no cost to them. Economics may work differently in Unicorn Fairy Fantasy Kingdom, but this is the real world. UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.
4. Some have suggested raising subscription prices to offset the need for MT Shops, lets get real, how many of you would rage/quit the same over this too.
5. What other game out there with the MT store lets you buy these items with ingame currency???
6. oh and YOU DON'T LIKE THE PRICES, DON'T BUY THEM, SIMPLE AS THAT. EASY PEASY. COULDN'T BE ANY SIMPLER.

/END THREAD

Cave Lord
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:27:00 - [1329]
 

Edited by: Cave Lord on 24/06/2011 00:28:52
Please remove ALL RMT/micro-macro transactions. We can understand PLEX. We can not back you on anything else.

This will always be a thorn in the side of CCP and the issue will never EVER go away. Who wants to play game where they feel they are robbed? I've tried to play micro-transaction games. It's nifty for the first couple of days.. .and then, well, I hit walls. EVE isn't like that. I get full, unrestricted access to the Universe of EVE. For $15/month, I can gain access to shape a virtual universe and make it what I want it to be. Micro transactions- even for vanity items kills that. So stop making this an issue of wallet and make it an issue of "Let's make this game better so we get more subscribers" Steady income > Quick riches. This is why many people who win the lotto go bankrupt. Also, if you don't believe me, go to Las Vegas, Nevada some time. There's a reason why it is so glamorous - it's the people (CCP) lured to quick riches who pay for most of the bling.

CCP, quit following everyone else and get back to the stuff we pay you a steady income for.

Signed, everyone who payed for EVE *before* micro transactions.

VIVA LA SANDBOX!

Velani Askiras
Posted - 2011.06.24 00:38:00 - [1330]
 

Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Originally by: Velani Askiras
Originally by: Zverofaust
Shave a zero off current AURUM prices and I think things would be pretty perfect. Then CCP can maybe release a couple of extremely limited edition, ridiculously-high priced items.


Very true, remove one 0 and it would be fine.

If you want expensive stuff, then add clothes you have shown us already:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdbYsHbGYmU
For such a dress you can indeed raise the price. But it still shouldn't cost 80$ either.



THe visual resources they demonstrated in that video look like they belong to the World of Darkness MMO, not EVE. Sorry to burst your bubble there.

Still, I find it ******ed that ATI video cards get left in the cold with this APEX physics processing.


Yes, nothing new there, so no bubble burst at all, sorry :)

It was just an example to make clear what kind of clothes would actually make sense to put on a high price.

However, there are no reasons why you couldn't pull off such dresses in EVE online, it's the same engine, same physics. But that's not the point here at all. The current items are just basic stuff, not worth 3500 AUR, 4200 AUR or even 12000 AUR....


Toawa
EVE Mercantile Exchange
Virtue of Selfishness
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:35:00 - [1331]
 

Originally by: stoicfaux
That's a bit oversimplified and a very limited situation. Once you pay for your monthly PLEX, can you substitute/convert the rest of your isk to $15 of real money? Substitution will only work a limited number of times.



I never said it was an unlimited substitution; I was just responding to the assertion that it wasn't possible at all. In my case, it would only work twice a month (three if I let my year sub run out), but three's still more than zero.

I agree with your point about ISK perceived value.

Einar Matveinen
Gallente
nXo
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.06.24 02:56:00 - [1332]
 

Originally by: Starr Tookus
Can't wait to see the KM's of those relocating their wardrobes. Razz


And loot that artificial eye/monocle one billion worth.

Tom Dreyfus
Gallente
Gentian Line
Posted - 2011.06.24 03:33:00 - [1333]
 

Dear CCP,

I can't recall ever chiming in on an issue with the game in the forum before, but... wow.

Essentially, I am dealing with RL stuff that's gonna prevent me from having time to play eve until the new year, or later. My intent was to login and keep switching skills when I needed to and have my main and alt be that much more awesome when life gets back to normal for me.

But, yeah, that's not gonna happen.

Apparently the thought of there being a way to squeeze more money from the folks that keep you employed makes you HTFU.

I'll take the $25/month I've been spending to keep my two sets of space lights on, and I'll spend that money elsewhere.

Send me an email when you realize that your game's audience is not subbing so they can make themselves poor while playing with their space dollies. Put SERIOUS, and OBVIOUS effort into the core gameplay. Fix CQ resource demands so that we can dual/multibox without our computers bursting into flames or grinding to a halt. Deal with the fact that MOST of nullsec is slowly being taken over by botters who are making a whole bunch of money at your expense and ruining the in-game economy (I know, there's a thingy in place for reporting them now, but I get the feeling that's just to save the GMs from having to trash all those mails after spitting out another form mail and doing nothing).

It all makes me ashamed to have paid you so much money since '07.

We pay you our hard-earned money in exchange for entertainment, with the expectation that you will make your product more entertaining over time. You have done the opposite, and your "feature" that has broken the game in a whole new way is an obvious cash-grab. On top of that, it is, according to your own internal memo, merely the first step to a game that will give gameplay advantages to those who get on the "micro"transaction bandwagon.

I could rant for a lot longer, but I have much more important things to attend to.

TL;DR

CCP has lost its way and my business. Gonna be a shame to see these greedy buggers bring down what used to be the most fun, lumbering dinosaur of a MMO.

Goodbye EVE.

-Tom Dreyfus

Zarah Jade
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:04:00 - [1334]
 

Originally by: Soden Rah
Originally by: Vasentic
I am wondering if this is part of CCP's protect the market strategy... start them off ridiculously expensive then drop the price slowly till people start buying at an acceptable rate?


hmmm...interesting. it works in real estate. maybe we are playing right into their hands. maybe they are smarter than we give them credit for?

Dirk Altman
Caldari
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:18:00 - [1335]
 

ccp after playing since 06 all i can say after this patch is im insulted and i hope the price of plexs stays low because there is no way in [email protected] im paying to play this [email protected]#t so you have 2 accounts your going to loose if your stupid plex to aurum drives up plex prices.

Shereza
Posted - 2011.06.24 04:44:00 - [1336]
 

Edited by: Shereza on 24/06/2011 04:46:34
Originally by: Vin Hellsing
Still, I find it ******ed that ATI video cards get left in the cold with this APEX physics processing.


Better to be left in the cold on this one. Whenever I enable the physics (whether or not it's PhysX) my character's hair (a different one than this one at least) tries to cut her head off. Frequently.

Edit: Please note that what I'm referring to is how when moving forward her hair, dangling behind her, pushes forward as well as if there's a significant breeze coming from behind her but only when she moves forward. Furthermore her hair is pushed so far in it overlaps her "spine" making it look like her hair is trying to kill her.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.24 08:51:00 - [1337]
 

Aaaand, the thread peaks at 40-some pages and slowly fades off as new content worth trolling comes up to the attention of community. CCP sighs in relief, the ****storm is over and they can keep charging their players 3 months of subscription for using some items they already paid for along the last year.

Business as usual.

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:01:00 - [1338]
 

Originally by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Aaaand, the thread peaks at 40-some pages and slowly fades off as new content worth trolling comes up to the attention of community. CCP sighs in relief, the ****storm is over and they can keep charging their players 3 months of subscription for using some items they already paid for along the last year.

Business as usual.


What exactly would you like us to say? We've spent 3 days talking about this and had zero response from CCP other than that snarky "Eye of the beholder" line. We've hammered out counter proposals, we've raised questions, saught answers and recieved bupkiss.

We're still watching this thread but we've nothing left to say at the momment.

Lara Dantreb
New Horizons
Posted - 2011.06.24 09:22:00 - [1339]
 

Originally by: Edward Olmops
Edited by: Edward Olmops on 23/06/2011 21:53:14
Good point, fully agree with Glyken.

Anyone who complains about this M(icro/ega)T stuff should consider

a) ignoring the NeX and playing EVE instead (with a cool CQ TV instead of spinning the ship all night long)

b) buying the stuff from the market with ISK. No real money involved. Yes, the prices are insane, but hey the items are INDESTRUCTIBLE! (to all who don't know this paradigm: it's like in WOW - you pop or you are podded and your clothes come back at no cost! Sounds weird, hm?)
.../...



Totally agreed, despite I read this thread I don't understand why ppl care about stuff that can be bought with isks still and that is for vanity only.

NEX prices aren't the problem, main issue is that all this NEX stuff is just horrible to wear ! I would prefer nice jewelry instead of this horrible monocle ! : collar with pendant, tiara, earings...
After all the purpose of vanity items is to show to the plebeians that your wallet is massive, it's still pvp. I'm pretty sure if one could wear a tempest tribal issue or any other unique ship as a jewel, he would !

Coco Caine
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:50:00 - [1340]
 

I don't see the point of this whole 'Aurum' and 'Noble Shop' for game play. I won't use it, and find the backdoor attempt to have monthly fees AND introduce pay-per-play repulsive. The shop should be ISK based, and a pair of pants simply should NOT cost more than a battlecruiser... AAARRG ... Are there still some game designers working for CCP or have you successfully replaced them by marketing and finance experts?

I haven't actively played EVE for a while now, and guess what - this shop won't cause me to return. I'm waiting for some long needed fixes to the PvE/PvP content. Even in Incarna you guys are still rescuing 'Lady in Distress', right? Is 'Faction Warfare' still circling beacons in space?

/facepalm


Coco Caine
Posted - 2011.06.24 10:58:00 - [1341]
 

On a second thought I'll go and cancel my subscription until this NEX thing is somehow fixed. CCP get your priorities right - you're getting paid for creating and maintaining a good game.

Dariel Ash
Caldari
Foetus Mart
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:44:00 - [1342]
 

Edited by: Dariel Ash on 24/06/2011 11:53:15
Contributing to threadnought.

I could try and explain logically why I think the prices for these items is stupid (no offense) but I couldn't be arsed, I play eve for fun and as such am not going to srsbznz on forums about it.

I feel the need to state that the prices for these vanity items makes CCP look stupid (no offense). Seriously.

Has anybody even bought any monacles?

Edit:
I have been struggling to imagine a target market, but now I know, it's botters.

Sergara Darkthorn
Amarr
Push Butan Receive Bacon
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:49:00 - [1343]
 

I still cant understand why people are getting so all up tight over this...

The items, while I admit steep in price verging on daylight robbery, are not something which are a necessity... if you dont want to spend your cash on it.. dont buy it

If people dont buy the stuff then it sends a fairly clear message... doesnt it?Rolling Eyes

Fernendel DeFunes
Posted - 2011.06.24 11:55:00 - [1344]
 

I have worked out why the PLEX to Aurum prices are so utterly mad and quite frankly absurd. The developers have been sniffing volcano gas again. Another explanation might be a decrease in oxygen content in the Reykjavik area due to the volcanic activity. There can be no other reasons.

Ps.... Marks and Spencers Gentlman 44inch chest dinner suit cost £59, less than a monocle Idea

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:04:00 - [1345]
 

Originally by: Sergara Darkthorn
I still cant understand why people are getting so all up tight over this...

The items, while I admit steep in price verging on daylight robbery, are not something which are a necessity... if you dont want to spend your cash on it.. dont buy it

If people dont buy the stuff then it sends a fairly clear message... doesnt it?Rolling Eyes


You might want to skim read this and the other threads. Then flick through the PDF that's floating around. Yes, that is CCP's internal newsletter. Yes, the dev's did just call you a cash cow. Yes, the devs did call you an idiot and someone they'll have to sneak these things through.

Yes. They did say a $$$ = I WIN option is in the pipeline.

Buying it or not doesn't escape the fact you're about to come face 2 face with someone who's brought a victory over you... and no amount of SP, or grind will even the odds.

Fernendel DeFunes
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:31:00 - [1346]
 

From the CCP internal PDF about AUR - read and be confused!!!!

Second, we must sell our units of virtual currency - the AUR - at appropriate rates. No pair of pants,
no matter how cool, should cost the same as a new Maserati; similarly,it would be silly to buy sunglasses for my avatar and pay the same price that I would for a faction battleship. So we might sell tiny things or batches of consumablegoods for just a few “micro-PLEX,” but we would have the optionto sell premium content and services at a much higher pricepoint.

DO THEY READ THEIR OWN STUFF?


Pasithea Aeas
Pirates in Silk Suits
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:44:00 - [1347]
 

Edited by: Pasithea Aeas on 24/06/2011 12:44:39
Women's 'Quafe' T-Shirt
500.000.000,00 ISK

inb4 interstellar reich mark

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:17:00 - [1348]
 

As with all monopolies, the CCP Noble Exchange store (whatever it's called) NEEDS COMPETITION!

Players should be able to create their own items and then sell them in the store for aurum! Moar selection, moar competition!


Iloni Atoriandra
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.24 14:18:00 - [1349]
 

Look at my mighty monocle peasants.

Zer0 kooL
We No Speak Americano
Posted - 2011.06.25 01:05:00 - [1350]
 

Honestly im not agreeing with the prices they've set or the manor in which they conveniently have a button on the application to purchase (with real money) and convert plex cards; but honestly I can see why they did what they did...

Recently because of the business I've just started working on i wrote up a business plan and included some parts of this (linked) report.

http://venturebeat.com/2010/09/28/u-s-virtual-goods-market-to-hit-2-1-billion-in-2011/
and
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-28/tech/virtual.goods.market_1_virtual-goods-digital-goods-social-games?_s=PM:TECH

Of course the first link ESTIMATES the virtual goods market will have slowed by 2011 (seeing as that article was written in 2010) but honestly i think the virtual good market is going to be going to double if not more in 2011 to over $3.5 or $4 billion at the end of this year.

Especially when you have morons like this
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/17/farmville-facebook-zynga-technology-business-intelligence-virtual-goods.html

mortgaging his home for $100,000 to purchase a virtual space station in a game ive never even hear of... Then even bigger morons *within that same article* buying the space station from him 4 years later for over $330,000.... The guy who initially purchased it ended up selling over $600k worth of items from his account last year.

In short... Im stumped.


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