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Nikki West
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:12:00 - [991]
 


strive nails
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:13:00 - [992]
 

Originally by: Zey Nadar
The Nstore prices are absolutely ridiculous, but luckily the prices will propably be self-adjusting. Once CCP notices they sell absolutely nothing, they will drop the prices. There is a minimum of 90% too much in the prices. The store is also extremely lacking in content. I trust CCP will fix the problems in time. Until then the icon is pretty much just eye-candy.


why release then? why release CQ at all at this stage? is this all they have? sad times..

Ghurthe
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:14:00 - [993]
 

CCP's idea of trying to put in a plex sink might work if the items weren't so stupid expensive. Maybe 50 people will buy MT items.

In large part though MT is now going to be ignored as too stupid expensive. Plex prices won't go up much at all because people don't want to spend that much isk for a monocle, and if plex prices rise as a result of demand placed on them, Monocles and skirts rise in price too.

Even if a monocle costs 2 Billion is, people are going to rather buy 2 carriers than buying a monocle.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:15:00 - [994]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 22/06/2011 13:16:24
Originally by: strive nails

why release then? why release CQ at all at this stage? is this all they have? sad times..


Because we are actually beta-testers who pay money to CCP? Its good business..

The fool is not the one who asks, but the one who pays..

Scruffy Sandra
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:16:00 - [995]
 

Edited by: Scruffy Sandra on 22/06/2011 13:16:18
Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
Originally by: Scruffy Sandra
I had an awful dream last night that after my patch was done, CCP just started begging me for Cash, woke up this morning and logged on to see that it was not a dream afterall !!
what has this game become ?


There was a quote i cant find on this page above yours regarding why this might have occured and while the community in general may see that point and we all wish to try and fight this as it stands the proposed theory regarding making RMT difficult would hopefully give you food for thought before you added your wails of unjustified anger to the rest of this here thread.


I would not say anger was an emotion i felt at all as a matter of fact.

strive nails
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:16:00 - [996]
 

Originally by: Ghurthe
In large part though MT is now going to be ignored as too stupid expensive. Plex prices won't go up much at all because people don't want to spend that much isk for a monocle,


Well, in all fairness, they did say they had different methods for keeping plex prices low available to them. I guess this is just one of them

\o/

Langoss
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [997]
 

CCP! what the **** are you doing???

Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:28:00 - [998]
 

Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
Originally by: Futile Rhetoric
Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
OK DIPSTICKS!
Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are?
Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money.

Wat. How do you imagine this works, Mr. Economist?


How this works? Supply/demand + people paying REAL money + market for said item that is bought/traded with INGAME currency thus enabling those who wish to have free accounts to do so?


Okay, supply and demand. Let's walk through this, shall we?

What determined demand for PLEX prior to NEX? The number of people who want to pay ISK for their EVE subscription, and, to a lesser extent, the price: PLEX demand seems quite inelastic, though I'm sure a small number do drop additional accounts as PLEX prices go up substantially.

What determined supply of PLEX prior to NEX? The number of people who wanted to trade real-life cashish for ISK, the amounts of said cashish, and the price of PLEX (the more ISK you get for a PLEX, the more likely you are to want to sell it.)

What is the situation now?

Demand is still determined by the number of people who want to buy PLEX to pay for their subscriptions: this number is unchanged, unless a whole bunch of people decide to suddenly quit EVE (which might be what you're hoping for, I do not know.) In addition, PLEX demand now also includes people who want to spend ISK to buy PLEX/Aurum/vanity items (PLEX demand, up).

What of supply? Supply is still determined by the number of people who want to spend $ to buy ISK. Of course, now they might spend this $ to buy vanity items for themselves, instead (PLEX supply equal or down).

So tell me, how are you going to get lower PLEX prices out of higher demand and equal or lower supply? You may hope at best for a small price hike, if nobody cares about the vanity items. That's basically the best case scenario for people such as yourself at the moment, and CCP seem to have done everything in their power to make that happen. Kudos to them, I s'pose.

Max Return
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:30:00 - [999]
 

Originally by: Doctor Ungabungas
Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 22/06/2011 10:28:59
Originally by: Kane Molou

Now simple math alone tells you that if 1 PLEX costs 16.00$ for nice rounding sake, and 1 Plex Buys you 3,500AUR that means that 3,500AUR is worth .... that's right 16$US real life money.. real life value, 3,500AUR = 1 months subscription.. no if/but or anything else.



It's a one way process only. 15 dollars will get you one PLEX. But one PLEX is worth nothing at all in the real world, not even 30 days of game time. (Check your EULA.) The people you should be raging at are the ones who are throwing away isk buying PLEX in the first place. (Maybe we should retitle this thread: PLEX buyers face uncomfortable truths about internet spaceships).

Honestly, the best part about the monocle debate is that many of the people outraged about the cost of monocles would spend thousands on a titan if they had the chance.



Ok so with a titan you can actually enjoy playing the game because a titan can do something and serves a purpose. A monacle however is bloody useless and tbh doesnt really look that good in game. So you can go rage at the plex buyers and pretend a monacle and titan serve a similar purpose and have the same value but the rest of us are going to focus on the real problem in CCP

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:32:00 - [1000]
 

Edited by: Ciar Meara on 22/06/2011 13:32:38
Originally by: Nikki West
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Made me laugh! (and still mad)

Euphonus
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:39:00 - [1001]
 

Originally by: Seleene
[ 2011.06.21 23:54:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > That is also the standard technique in the industry. In our case, it was exceptionally necessary due to the huge size of PLEX.

[ 2011.06.21 23:55:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > Incub: 12000 Aurum. The comma is an Americanism.

[ 2011.06.21 23:57:03 ] CCP Zinfandel > The store only has a few items in it so far. But more will be added. We hope to add a few pieces each week. We started with items which can be purchased and used without needing a special interface.

[ 2011.06.21 23:57:18 ] CCP Zinfandel > Painting a ship requires a little more work before we will be able to offer it. But it is planned.

[ 2011.06.21 23:57:26 ] Sofia Roseburn > Zinfandel, these prices are actually correct?

[ 2011.06.21 23:58:35 ] CCP Zinfandel > Sofia Roseburn - there will be a number of items at different prices over time. Also, these items will be offered on special from time to time. Some of the items are expensive.

[ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face.

[ 2011.06.22 00:04:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Hello Kyle - we have been talking about the prices regularly in here. There are expensive items in the shop. Noble Appliances Corporation opened these shops particularly to target the wealthy capsuleer community.

[ 2011.06.22 00:04:45 ] CCP Zinfandel > The selection of items in the store will change from time to time as the capsuleers purchase things and new items arrive (hopefully a few each week.)

[ 2011.06.22 00:05:22 ] CCP Zinfandel > Prices will vary between items and occasionally things will go on sale. Don't forget that the market also has a number of items for sale already and those prices should stabilize over time as well.

[ 2011.06.22 00:16:42 ] CCP Zinfandel > Chewiest - decorating will come eventually, hopefully later this year.

[ 2011.06.22 00:19:32 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are slowly receiving more items to sell in the store and we are saving things to introduce new items each week.

[ 2011.06.22 00:23:09 ] CCP Zinfandel > Elina Tan - we are introducing new clothing fashions in sets with themes. This set is themed "Military" and will continue for months. We also have fashion designers creating a line for "Corporate" and one for "Cyberpunk."

[ 2011.06.22 00:23:15 ] CCP Zinfandel > Those will come later.

[ 2011.06.22 00:23:30 ] CCP Zinfandel > And they are being designed by RL fashion designers.

[ 2011.06.22 00:24:47 ] CCP Zinfandel > One of the fashion designers is New York based. Another is Reykjavik based.

[ 2011.06.22 00:27:07 ] CCP Zinfandel > JordanTwoDelta - you will see the ISK market prices stablize over time. Initially, hype will make people spend more than they should. I counsel a little patience. ;-)

[ 2011.06.22 00:29:26 ] CCP Zinfandel > Rion Deteisan - we are adding a little more each week (probably on Tuesdays.)

Melthariumin
Gallente
Tactical Reconnaissance
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:43:00 - [1002]
 

It is called "noble exchange" for a reason. High prizes keep the poor and smelly people out.Laughing

Max Return
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:45:00 - [1003]
 

[ 2011.06.22 00:00:44 ] CCP Zinfandel > The Looking Glass Ocular Implant (right/gold) is fairly expensive. It's also a machine being installed into your eye and one would not want to buy a cheap version of something to go in your face.

Is this some kind of joke to you CCP lot??? how about get rid of this stupid CLOTHING BULLS**T!! AND BALANCE THE FU****G GAME
TRY PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR BUYERS

Chidori kun
Minmatar
Starship Operating BastardZ
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:45:00 - [1004]
 

How can we talk about PLEX and what it will do with the market now that shop is online.

The fact remains PLEX cost RL money hence it has monetary value.
So that piece of **** you can stuff in your eye socket costs money there is no way around that.

Tnis is not MT this bleeding peoples RL wallet also no way around that.

So if you not agreeing with it don't buy from that shop and enjoy EVE as it is now.
Or your fine with and well spend your RL money on it.

I like EVE, I like the first step to walking in stations (CQ) it is a content release no way around that.
CCP will learn from it and hopefully correct the error.

Chid

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:48:00 - [1005]
 

Originally by: Craven Aleros
If you see someone wearing one of those 12k items it tells you several things.

1) They have money
2) They are a bit dumb




3) They have a good chance of being CCP alts

Fraa Bjorn
Cell 317
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:54:00 - [1006]
 

What's the big deal? It's not like we HAVE to buy these things, is it?

Besides, the character creator was pretty awesome, and recustomization is free - personally I had never thought that would be free.

Some things are good, some bad, but remember, EVE is REAL :)

Stignos
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:54:00 - [1007]
 

http://kotaku.com/5814354/eve-online-is-selling-horse-armour-in-space

Main gaming websites are starting to make articles about this, they say that any publicity is good publicity, but I am sure this is going to backfire on you. People will not only associate EVE with a game with a extremely hard learning curve, but also with insane prizes and that last association will not stop there, they will also assume everything in eve EVE is priced like that. I can only see this backfiring on you guys.

I wonder what the mood of the next fanfest will be after all this money sucking attitude CCP has lately...

Devil's Call
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:57:00 - [1008]
 

Originally by: Fraa Bjorn
What's the big deal? It's not like we HAVE to buy these things, is it?

Besides, the character creator was pretty awesome, and recustomization is free - personally I had never thought that would be free.

Some things are good, some bad, but remember, EVE is REAL :)



We all HAVE to buy those things yes, that's in our nature. That's why everybody is so ****ed off I think.Laughing

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:58:00 - [1009]
 

Originally by: Mynxee
Originally by: Craven Aleros
If you see someone wearing one of those 12k items it tells you several things.

1) They have money
2) They are a bit dumb




3) They have a good chance of being CCP alts


For the lolz

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Devil's Call
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:00:00 - [1010]
 


Masjheira
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:03:00 - [1011]
 

MORE CRYING BABIES LOL LOL LOL CRY YOU ****ING CAREBEAR AND ITEM MALL LOVERS CRYYY I LOVE YOUR TEAARRRRSSSSS hahahahahahahahaha

Pleaaassee ccp make prices even higher, these damned idiots will buy these vanity items anyway :D

Ahaha this is so funny, Eve community whining about ITEM MALL PRICES BEING TOO HIGH LOOOOOOOOOOOLLL

HAHAHAHAHAHA this is the best joke ever heard HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you are killing me HAHAHAHAHAHA

Syme
Gallente
Umbra Scientia Muneris
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:03:00 - [1012]
 

Now I have been downgraded from autistic to having aspergers I will try again and see if I can drop to just pedantic.

No mind-searing insights just an example. You have a set of new products with a wide price range and are about to launch it, knowing that you have an interested market. Do you:

A) Release the cheapest in the range first so that everyone buys one and the market is immediately sated, with only the fashion conscious and wealthy replacing their existing product with the more expensive in the range?
B) Delay the release so that you can launch all the range at once, confusing your market (and perhaps antagonising them through the delay) and letting them enter at any price point (probably the lowest)?
C) Release the high-end product first, creating exclusivity and letting those who are willing to pay a higher price get earlier access?

CCP have chosen C, it is the easiest way to test the market. No one needs to buy these vanity items and most won’t until we can leave our quarters, so there is plenty of time for CCP to adjust prices.

Chidori kun
Minmatar
Starship Operating BastardZ
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:12:00 - [1013]
 

Originally by: Stignos


I wonder what the mood of the next fanfest will be after all this money sucking attitude CCP has lately...


Most people just get drunk ;)

Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:13:00 - [1014]
 

Originally by: Nikki West
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


OMG lol i had to fight so hard not to spill mouthwash all over my keyboard

Nilania Telshua
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:20:00 - [1015]
 

Originally by: Syme

C) Release the high-end product first, creating exclusivity and letting those who are willing to pay a higher price get earlier access?

CCP have chosen C, it is the easiest way to test the market. No one needs to buy these vanity items and most won’t until we can leave our quarters, so there is plenty of time for CCP to adjust prices.



Actually as far as functionality is concerned aspergers is a step up from autism, so dont you complain.

Unfortunately while your analysis has its merits and a certain validity from a marketing point of view,
you as well as CCP once more forgot to factor in the Public Relations effect,
that the implementation of strategy c) would have on its customer base.

If there had been clear communications about their intentions beforehand and
if they had avoided to cluster the Aurum-Situation with other negative messages to the customer base,
(3rd Party Apps, 2.0 Shaders, Non-Optional CQs, Hardware Requirements for CQ, a.s.o.)
it would not have created such a ****storm.

Strategy c) also only works if the public that is not its target-audience,
at least accepts that the items are valued correctly at their given price tags,
even though the public cannot afford them.
That is what creates the prestige of said items.
If there is a big gap between the perceived value of an item and its price tag,
it becomes a literal joke and the value added to it through "prestige" negible.

davet517
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:23:00 - [1016]
 

Edited by: davet517 on 22/06/2011 14:26:21


This might have already been said. CBA to read 34 pages of QQ, but, if you pay for your game time with Isk, you should probably be thanking CCP that these things are as expensive as they are.

There is a finite amount of money that comes into the game by way of people buying GTCs and converting them to plex, then selling the plex for isk. There is a demand for these from people who want to trade isk for plex to pay for their accounts. If they came out with lots of cool, reasonably priced crap that people want, it's going to upset that supply/demand balance and you'd see plex prices spike, at least until the initial demand was satisfied and a secondary market developed.

They probably took this into account when pricing these things, so that they didn't lose subscribers who could no longer afford a plex to pay for their account.

radix29
Unforeseen Consequences.
THE UNTHINKABLES
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:29:00 - [1017]
 

Edited by: radix29 on 22/06/2011 14:31:45
GJ CPP

Actually I think you should double the AUR price for the vanity items.

YOU WILL DOUBLE YOUR REVENUE!!!111! Ask your marketing/economist guys. They are good, they can confirm it!

So after 1 - 2 months you will realize what bull**** it is and cut the crap with barbie online and we can resume flying internet pixel space ships and pew pew.

Edit: Never intended to buy that crap and dont care about either. Just sad to see so much :effort: put in this direction

fly dangerous

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:32:00 - [1018]
 


Here's my problem with this macro-transaction model in a nutshell.

I already pay a pretty steep subscription for this game and have done for a number of years. I think Eve has a fair and healthy income stream already for the ongoing development of the game and core product. The problem is that CCP have lost their way and devoted way too much time money and effort on ill-advised spin-off development that abandoned the core product that we all pay for with our subscriptions.

Now we are being told that our subscription money is not enough for the content development to come for incarna and frankly it is a bitter pill to swallow.

As an eve player I am very unhappy with this message. I feel I (and thousands of other subscribers) have given CCP our trust and benefit of doubt for many years now only to be told in the end that our support was not enough and we need to be milked for more cash beyond the subscription to pay for development of the game.

I believe this first release of "vanity items" is a terrible terrible precedent that beckons in an age of greedy profiteering from CCP via incarna that will see anything of asthetic value in the new expansion being priced at ridiculous levels. To see the laughably money-grubbing pricing of this monacle and boots stuff utterly punctures any faith I have that ccp will deliver any additional content at reasonable price points in later iterations and makes me doubt the entire premise of Dust 514 later down the road.

I honestly feel very angry to think that any development of these "vanity items" has been done by CCP staff who drew a wage funded by my subscription money and that if CCP want to go down this route they need to separate their business and development into "subscription-funded" vs "microtransaction(sic)" funded offices and ring-fence our subs income to ensure that the vanity-pay stuff does not leech off of the core business income.

Understand. I am not opposed to the principle of microtransactions at root and I'm not a poor eve player without a few hundred million isk to rub together. In eve my character owns an Erebus class Titan for roleplay reasons for heavens sake - but its an investment of 70 billion isk that actually does something and I can be happy was developed and implemented on my subscription money.

In world of tanks I happily bought a Lowe for the equivilent of 20 quid. Its a solid decent-looking useful piece of micro-transaction that allowed me to trade the cost of a couple of pizzas for not spending 100 hours grinding up.

But the world of tanks guys "get" microtransactions and the "pay to play model" they know how to price this stuff and use it to leverage development on their core game. They haven't spent the last 2 years developing a "walking in tanks" environment where we can spend 30 quid on a master-gunner-monacle that does nothing at the price of ignoring their core battle engine which languishes somewhere in 2008.

Conclusion.

I hate the fact that our faith and trust in CCP has been leveraged to direct disproportionate resources and subscription money to produce this vanity item display case (CQ) that contains items developed on our dollar that are now priced at ridiculous levels to greedily claw even more cash from our wallets. This is CCP selling their souls to the "biz-dev" souless marketing demons and unless the good people at CCP wake up and smell the roses it will definitely be a hammer blow to good faith and trust of the player base.

And to those saying "screw the existing player base CCP is chasing the new player subscriber" - I have to say wake up and smell the coffee guys. CCP is not that good a developer and I simply do not believe they have the expertise and development resources required to deliver a genuinely full-feature incarna that can make up for losing the interest of the in-space player community. People play eve because of the single-server space environment - people that want an avatar-based game play wow.


Entheogenth
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:35:00 - [1019]
 

ok, this is very strange.. the same REAL items in the noble shop are 1/3th the price of the VIRTUAL items. this is more then weird. non existing items three times more expensive then the real ones?

i think im gonna be a game designer too.. make 1 product, make infinite copies of it, and sell it for 3 times the real price!

for example see:

see http://www.gentlemansemporium.com/store/eyewear.php?__utma=1.725941753.1306585786.1306585786.1308752860.2&__utmb=1.1.10.1308752860&__utmc=1&__utmx=-&__utmz=1.1308752860.2.2.utmcsr=google|utmccn=%28organic%29|utmcmd=organic|utmctr=the%20gentlemans%20shop&__utmv=-&__utmk=135599665

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.22 14:36:00 - [1020]
 

Has anyone said 'Wait until the prices go down.' or 'Don't buy them then.' yet?


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