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Dierdra Vaal
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:14:00 - [961]
 

Edited by: Dierdra Vaal on 22/06/2011 12:14:33
CCP have said in the past that for PLEX to truly drive away RMTers, PLEX prices need to be higher (thus giving you more ISK for your $, and competing better against RMT prices).

That, combined with these exorbitantly high prices leads me to believe the NEX is aimed at getting people to buy PLEX with ISK to use in the store, rather than buy PLEX with dollars or euros. The increased demand will increase PLEX prices which will then be more effective against RMTing. CCP gets paid either way. It must be intended to be a PLEX sink.

Of course, they are limiting their customer base somewhat since only ISK-rich capsuleers will be able/willing to spend PLEX in the store.

I'm not upset about it though - the fewer people use this terribad feature the better it'll be for all of us.

Wishdokkta CEO
The Riot Formation
KRYSIS.
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:15:00 - [962]
 

Originally by: Yuki Li

You seem to be missing the point. No, no-one HAS to buy the items, but we also don't need to sub to Eve-Online. We choose to because a) we want to and b) we can.


No, I dont believe I am. You answered my point right there. People will buy vanity items becasue of a) and b)


Originally by: Yuki Li

The problem is CCP have introduced a set of micro-transactions that are integral to the entirety of walking in stations, that everyone wants a piece of, and then bumped the price up in to the clouds.


No they are NOT integral. They are an optional vanity item that you will lose absolutley nothing from not buying. And I dont believe EVERYONE wants a piece of it. I for one dont.

Originally by: Yuki Li
In addition to that there has been no clarification or serious response of any kind from CCP as to why prices are as astronomical as they are, just people bleating out their own theories.


Fair point.

My point still stands though. Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off?

I know which I would do.

This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, it really is very, very simple. If you disagree with the the whole idea - DONT BUY THEM!!

If its as bad at the foaming-at-the-mouth forum posters think then none will sell and CCP will change tactics. Until then everyone needs to calm down!

Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:18:00 - [963]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
You're kidding yourself if you think that the forum community is CCP's target customer for AURUM goods. Only a percentage of Eve players use the forums as well, and usually its the ones that need someplace to vent to feel good about themselves. Thus, there is a disproportionately high number of naysayers and trolls, if the number of people that said they're going to quit the game over this or over that actually represented the real core player base, EvE would have closed shop years ago.

Second, as one of the people likely labeled as "defending CCP" , I'll take quasi-academic and possibly autistic as compliments. Autistic people are pretty damn smart, they simply lack communication capacity, and even quasi-academic is better than not academic at all.

Really though, I don't care so much about defending CCP, they don't need my help. I simply enjoy encouraging those who may be panic-prone but still have a shred of common sense left in them to stick around and wait it out, and be a part of the solution rather than simply complaining that there's a problem. EvE is about community, so I am only serving myself in encouraging those with positive outlooks to keep on playing and having fun, and showing the exit to those that just want to raise hell.

You presume to speak for others? And you call this thing you seem to have "common sense"? I'm sure you've spent hours conversing with this silent majority about this matter, and are not just being a contrarian eejit.

And I would not take too much pride in trying to apply poorly understood theory without eye for any real-world consequences. It is not a clever thing to do.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:20:00 - [964]
 

Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO

This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, it really is very, very simple. If you disagree with the the whole idea - DONT BUY THEM!!



I probably won't buy any of them, I don't in other games, BUT, the pricing is a wee bit out of whack...hopefully they adjust something so their microtransaction implementation isn't a giant waste of money.

Hairtrigger
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:21:00 - [965]
 

never enjoyed this forum this much, so many lulz

imagine the meetings goin on at money grab offices as we speak!

anyway, imo there is only one person in this game who should buy that eye thing, and its not because he loaded, but because he collects every item in game, so apart from him anyone else who buys and wears one of them is only bein a complete idiot.

ps. no dev posts in here yet?, imagine if we was all ass kissin tellin them how good everythin was, they would all be in here postin and lappin up the praises.

Marwood Ford
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:28:00 - [966]
 

Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO

My point still stands though. Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off?



If, in a town with no clothing stores, a new shop opened up, and I then discovered they were selling jeans at a million pounds a pair, I might consider posting in their community forum to suggest that this was a poor marketing decision.

Iok Sototh
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:29:00 - [967]
 

Anyone care to list an item price comparison (in game). Because I find this market to be immersion breakingly bull****. How many battelships can I buy instead of a pair of pants? How many skirts does a Titan cost?

Alakazam
Gallente
Skid-Row
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:29:00 - [968]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO

This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion, it really is very, very simple. If you disagree with the the whole idea - DONT BUY THEM!!



I probably won't buy any of them, I don't in other games, BUT, the pricing is a wee bit out of whack...hopefully they adjust something so their microtransaction implementation isn't a giant waste of money.



I won't buy either. The pricing is completely out of touch with the game and value of items as so many already have pointed out. I am disappointed.

If it was reasonably priced I think more people would use this functionality regardless of like/dislike.


It's weird how they just drop the bomb on these prices instead of testing the waters and posting before deploying Incarna.

They must have know exactly what to charge for vanity items for a very long time.


I suspect they will lower their prices at a later stage and expect everyone to woooo in forums and forget all about how feature less this game update is.


This is internet spaceship game : focus!

Blackjack 3v3
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:30:00 - [969]
 

Originally by: Ishnadriel
Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25
I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ?

Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous...




One thing to add because US-players need to remind you:
100.00 USD = 69.4827 EUR
US Dollar Euro
1 USD = 0.694827 EUR 1 EUR = 1.43921 USD

So when I play from EU - I`m such a rich person I pay 15 euros / month well w/e when you think of it in small amounts not a big deal.
However when you think on a little larger scale say 100 $ (up) out of 100 $ you guys stile have money left over to get 2 more months of subs while me the little poor EU-bastard need to ... invest more in my hobby.

ehh Epic Incarna - fail Macro - Transaction Store - In other words instead of wasting 100 euros for a item in the Macro Transaction Store do yourself a fav. and buy 2 Brand new games ( check out E3 )

Aisha Ravenwood
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:33:00 - [970]
 

Originally by: Iok Sototh
Anyone care to list an item price comparison (in game). Because I find this market to be immersion breakingly bull****. How many battelships can I buy instead of a pair of pants? How many skirts does a Titan cost?


1 monical = 1.3 bil isk

1 mothership\supercarrier = 10.7 monicals

Cpt Xao
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 - [971]
 

Destroy the Store and Vanity Items please. And PLEX, destroy all PLEX

Orphan World
Kitzless
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:35:00 - [972]
 

Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen
Edited by: Patches Donnarblizen on 22/06/2011 12:01:11
Originally by: Orphan World
Originally by: Patches Donnarblizen

Second, from the marketing aspect, this is a interesting move from CCP, because until now PLEXes on the market had always been free play time, so PLEX = lost money for CCP.
With the ability now to exchange PLEX (or Aurum or whatever) to BlingBling Clothes and stuff, the RL money gets back to CCP.
... what?

PLEXes were never lost money, because each PLEX was introduced to the game through a dollar/euro purchase - thus CCP made just as much money from normal subscribers as they did from PLEX-users, the difference being that the second group has their game time paid for by someone else.

NeX is indeed a PLEX sink, where every PLEX converted into AUR will be 100% profit for CCP. They're turning a zero-sum feature into a money-making one.


PLEX is lost money, even if CCP got money for it, the PLEX on the EVE market represent free playing time for someone (else), who normally would have paid for this time, this has now been changed with aurum and the online shop.
I bet you're one of those people who think minerals you mine are free as well.

Devil's Call
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:37:00 - [973]
 

Edited by: Devil''s Call on 22/06/2011 12:37:26
I have a simple solution. If you think that 10.7 monocle's aren't worth as much as a Nyx or Aeon... _Don't buy them?_ Very Happy

Bologna Brains
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:38:00 - [974]
 

Originally by: Hairtrigger

ps. no dev posts in here yet?, imagine if we was all ass kissin tellin them how good everythin was, they would all be in here postin and lappin up the praises.


qft

Evenflare Gidrine
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 - [975]
 

OK DIPSTICKS!
Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are?
Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money.

As stated before this isnt forced RMT like many F2P games are and while CURRENTLY we cant see the gear each other is wearing if the game continues and the release dates for the rest of the station tech/experience are followed we WILL.

To those using that massively tipline there is NO story here because of one simple issue. You choose to rage without an entire knowledge of the situation aka will CCP drop modify or change the system nor do you realise that in multiple devblogs regarding Incarna prior to launch there were multiple statements along the lines of "We will take community feedback and implement recommendations and changes as we can given the communities response"

I am tired of this pathetic whining by a few as mentioned before if you guys were indicative of the general POV of the EVE player base this game wouldnt exist and youd all be able to cry on blizzards forums.

I am not defending the actions of CCP and I would laugh if this turned out to be a simple implementation error because I hope that each abusive post made during this incident will recieve a ban for a day or so because yes its exorbitant but it is possible that CCP will change it and unlike other MMOs bar one incident several major updates ago CCP has been on the ball and the majority of this games community has been happy.

Summary is thus: Dont like the Arum prices dont purchase it. Until further developments are made sure dont buy the gear but dont quit the game over something as childish as this and await real responses from the GMs. While I dont agree that Zinfandel was right in justifying that in that manner I am sure they will review the chat logs and take action according.

Footnote: Petitioning off forum resources like that massively site do nothing good and plenty bad and as such that original poster should be banned since it has no real positive effect outside of massaging some morons ego that they got a response and any legit reporter would fully research the claims before they responded.

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:39:00 - [976]
 


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:40:00 - [977]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 12:42:19
Originally by: Devil's Call
I have a simple solution. If you think that 10.7 monocle's aren't worth as much as a Nyx or Aeon... _Don't buy them?_ Very Happy
For roughly the bazillionth time: that is not the problem. The problem is that it highlights some pretty devastating problems with CCP's design and decision-making processes, not to mention (as always) their communication skills.

We knew that they had no clue about how to communicate with the community and process feedback.
What we didn't know was that they were also clueless about how and why MT works, even as they were about to introduce an MT shop into their game.
Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money.
…just one problem: this only serves to increase the PLEX price. Dipstick.
Quote:
Summary is thus: Dont like the Arum prices dont purchase it.
See above: that's not the issue.

Evenflare Gidrine
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:42:00 - [978]
 

Originally by: Futile Rhetoric
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
You're kidding yourself if you think that the forum community is CCP's target customer for AURUM goods. Only a percentage of Eve players use the forums as well, and usually its the ones that need someplace to vent to feel good about themselves. Thus, there is a disproportionately high number of naysayers and trolls, if the number of people that said they're going to quit the game over this or over that actually represented the real core player base, EvE would have closed shop years ago.

Second, as one of the people likely labeled as "defending CCP" , I'll take quasi-academic and possibly autistic as compliments. Autistic people are pretty damn smart, they simply lack communication capacity, and even quasi-academic is better than not academic at all.

Really though, I don't care so much about defending CCP, they don't need my help. I simply enjoy encouraging those who may be panic-prone but still have a shred of common sense left in them to stick around and wait it out, and be a part of the solution rather than simply complaining that there's a problem. EvE is about community, so I am only serving myself in encouraging those with positive outlooks to keep on playing and having fun, and showing the exit to those that just want to raise hell.

You presume to speak for others? And you call this thing you seem to have "common sense"? I'm sure you've spent hours conversing with this silent majority about this matter, and are not just being a contrarian eejit.

And I would not take too much pride in trying to apply poorly understood theory without eye for any real-world consequences. It is not a clever thing to do.


Contrarian eejit. Pot meet kettle?

Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:42:00 - [979]
 

Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
OK DIPSTICKS!
Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are?
Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money.

Wat. How do you imagine this works, Mr. Economist?

Yuki Li
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:42:00 - [980]
 

Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO
No, I dont believe I am. You answered my point right there. People will buy vanity items becasue of a) and b)


Not sure about you but I don't have the time or money to waste on items as they're currently priced. That places me in the can't category.


Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO

No they are NOT integral. They are an optional vanity item that you will lose absolutley nothing from not buying. And I dont believe EVERYONE wants a piece of it. I for one dont.


By and large most people (who have a capable machine) will want to participate in walking in stations. It is not unreasonable to assume these people do not all want to look the same, and in fact would be willing to spend money on these items if they are sensibly priced, surely?

Instead we're presented with, on launch day, after an extended delay: Welcome to walking in stations, where you will perpetually look like a scrub if you are not a) loaded or b) carebearing 0.0 to buy clothes that cost more than.. well, clothes. Discontent is hardly surprising.


Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO
Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off?


I would go to a different store and buy my clothes there. Herein lies the problem; there are no other options. You can either buy nothing or get tremendously ripped off. This does not sit well.

Hard and fast facts may be that no-one is forced to buy these items, but customer bases rarely consist of logic driven robots, and people have been waiting for Incarna for a very, very long time, so this is pretty disappointing.

Evenflare Gidrine
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:45:00 - [981]
 

Originally by: Futile Rhetoric
Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
OK DIPSTICKS!
Has anyone actually read these posts and UNDERSTOOD how idiotic all you are?
Prices for PLEX have gone through the roof recently due to people stockpiling them and thus having this as an option removes that high price for those of us who WANT to play but cant 100% afford to spend RL money.

Wat. How do you imagine this works, Mr. Economist?


How this works? Supply/demand + people paying REAL money + market for said item that is bought/traded with INGAME currency thus enabling those who wish to have free accounts to do so?

Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:46:00 - [982]
 

Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
Originally by: Futile Rhetoric
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
You're kidding yourself if you think that the forum community is CCP's target customer for AURUM goods. Only a percentage of Eve players use the forums as well, and usually its the ones that need someplace to vent to feel good about themselves. Thus, there is a disproportionately high number of naysayers and trolls, if the number of people that said they're going to quit the game over this or over that actually represented the real core player base, EvE would have closed shop years ago.

Second, as one of the people likely labeled as "defending CCP" , I'll take quasi-academic and possibly autistic as compliments. Autistic people are pretty damn smart, they simply lack communication capacity, and even quasi-academic is better than not academic at all.

Really though, I don't care so much about defending CCP, they don't need my help. I simply enjoy encouraging those who may be panic-prone but still have a shred of common sense left in them to stick around and wait it out, and be a part of the solution rather than simply complaining that there's a problem. EvE is about community, so I am only serving myself in encouraging those with positive outlooks to keep on playing and having fun, and showing the exit to those that just want to raise hell.

You presume to speak for others? And you call this thing you seem to have "common sense"? I'm sure you've spent hours conversing with this silent majority about this matter, and are not just being a contrarian eejit.

And I would not take too much pride in trying to apply poorly understood theory without eye for any real-world consequences. It is not a clever thing to do.


Contrarian eejit. Pot meet kettle?

Do you understand what the word means? From where I'm sitting, I'm well within the mainstream. Contrarian I am not (eejit, maybe.)

Scruffy Sandra
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:48:00 - [983]
 

I had an awful dream last night that after my patch was done, CCP just started begging me for Cash, woke up this morning and logged on to see that it was not a dream afterall !!
what has this game become ?

Evenflare Gidrine
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:49:00 - [984]
 

Originally by: Yuki Li
Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO
No, I dont believe I am. You answered my point right there. People will buy vanity items becasue of a) and b)


Not sure about you but I don't have the time or money to waste on items as they're currently priced. That places me in the can't category.


Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO

No they are NOT integral. They are an optional vanity item that you will lose absolutley nothing from not buying. And I dont believe EVERYONE wants a piece of it. I for one dont.


By and large most people (who have a capable machine) will want to participate in walking in stations. It is not unreasonable to assume these people do not all want to look the same, and in fact would be willing to spend money on these items if they are sensibly priced, surely?

Instead we're presented with, on launch day, after an extended delay: Welcome to walking in stations, where you will perpetually look like a scrub if you are not a) loaded or b) carebearing 0.0 to buy clothes that cost more than.. well, clothes. Discontent is hardly surprising.


Originally by: Wishdokkta CEO
Think of it this way. You walk into a shop to buy some clothes. You dont actually need any but you have a look around anyway. Having seen a pair of jeans you really like by an exclusive designer you realise you cant afford them. Do you:- a) walk out the shop and forget about it. b) jump up and down and scream at the shop assistant for trying to rip you off?


I would go to a different store and buy my clothes there. Herein lies the problem; there are no other options. You can either buy nothing or get tremendously ripped off. This does not sit well.

Hard and fast facts may be that no-one is forced to buy these items, but customer bases rarely consist of logic driven robots, and people have been waiting for Incarna for a very, very long time, so this is pretty disappointing.


Am I missing something here? Again are people just posting for the sake of a 1k post thread? If you dont wish to use the feature dont and many people claim that they wont but when its settled it will be sorted. Why continue the discussion? Not to mention the simple fact this is CQ not the full station environment release so there are more chances in the future for people to interact with this gear as well as the chance for the community to present a unified stable front instead of this kneejerk *****fest thats come about because of the minority that are vocal on forums?

While I am personaly against the prices I doubt I could have found the strength that the majority of the first 20 pages worth of posters did to blow this way out.


Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:50:00 - [985]
 

Something to concider, CCP is clearly hoping to make extra money from the NEX store, looking at the backlash so far that may not happen and this MT testbed will be a failure. So now all the people who didn't want anything to do with 'space barbies' are going whoop, whoop, hah, hah ... except CCP still want to make additional money. Where will this extra money come from without the NEX store thriving? think about that.

At this stage CCP have set up the NEX store to fail so what will be next? extra sub money or MT another part of the game.

We already know one of the owners of CCP is in financial difficulties and needs to repay some 1+bn in debt. I wonder where he's going to get that sort of money from.

Khaed Duhn
Minmatar
The Kairos Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:51:00 - [986]
 

Originally by: Hitchhikers Guide to The Galaxy


Money

Monetary units - none.

In fact there are three freely convertible currencies in the Galaxy, but none of them count. The Altairian Dollar has recently collapsed, the Flanian Pobble bead is only exchangeable for other Flanian Pobble Beads, and the Triganic Pu has its own very special problems. Its exchange rate of eight Ningis to one Pu is simple enough, but since a Ningi is a rubber coin six thousand eight hundred miles along each side, no one has ever collected enough to own one Pu. Ningis are not negotiable currency, because the Galactibanks refuse to deal in fiddling small change. From this basic premise it is very simple to prove that the Galactibanks are also the product of a deranged imagination.


And now thanks to CCP we can add the monocle to this illustrious list.

Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood


1 monical = 1.3 bil isk

1 mothership\supercarrier = 10.7 monicals



Evenflare Gidrine
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:51:00 - [987]
 

Originally by: Scruffy Sandra
I had an awful dream last night that after my patch was done, CCP just started begging me for Cash, woke up this morning and logged on to see that it was not a dream afterall !!
what has this game become ?


There was a quote i cant find on this page above yours regarding why this might have occured and while the community in general may see that point and we all wish to try and fight this as it stands the proposed theory regarding making RMT difficult would hopefully give you food for thought before you added your wails of unjustified anger to the rest of this here thread.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 12:56:00 - [988]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 12:58:11
Originally by: Evenflare Gidrine
How this works? Supply/demand + people paying REAL money + market for said item that is bought/traded with INGAME currency thus enabling those who wish to have free accounts to do so?
What he's asking is how you figure that an increased demand will lead to lower prices.
Quote:
Am I missing something here? Again are people just posting for the sake of a 1k post thread? If you dont wish to use the feature dont and many people claim that they wont but when its settled it will be sorted. Why continue the discussion?
Because, yes, you are missing something, namely the problem with CCP's dev team that this highlighted by this implementation. That is a fairly important detail to discuss.

Arrs Grazznic
Poena Executive Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:03:00 - [989]
 

Jumping onto the threadnaught!

To be honest I wouldn't buy any of these vanity items, no matter what the price, but it does seem if CCP have managed to get their pricing totally wrong based on current PLEX prices.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.06.22 13:11:00 - [990]
 

The Nstore prices are absolutely ridiculous, but luckily the prices will propably be self-adjusting. Once CCP notices they sell absolutely nothing, they will drop the prices. There is a minimum of 90% too much in the prices. The store is also extremely lacking in content. I trust CCP will fix the problems in time. Until then the icon is pretty much just eye-candy.


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