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Sedilis
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:48:00 - [841]
 

Nicely done CCP. If I want to buy a vanity item I don't want every noob to have it.

@ the whiners... STOP BEING SO TERRIBLE AT EVE AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM

Laughing

L Salander
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:49:00 - [842]
 

It costs the same (or more) to buy an in game pixel shirt as it does to buy a real life one?

eve is in roo-ins

I hope this is just a case of someone multiplying by ten instead of dividing when setting up a discount

James Hawkins
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:50:00 - [843]
 

Originally by: Sedilis
Nicely done CCP. If I want to buy a vanity item I don't want every noob to have it.

@ the whiners... STOP BEING SO TERRIBLE AT EVE AND YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO AFFORD THEM

Laughing


buying a dread for 1.6b and suicide warping it to low sec gates > monocles ..........


fly safe or dont

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:50:00 - [844]
 

Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 22/06/2011 09:56:18
Originally by: Atedar Kerane
I'm not as angry about the NEX prices as I'm worried about the future of CCP
They must be in some serious financial trouble to pull off a stunt like this.

I've seen other games offering vanity items before, and I found those to be overpriced. Seems like I was wrong... I believe I've now truly learned the meaning of the word "overpriced".


"overpriced" in other games they may be, but they sell like hotcakes. CCP isn't gambling as to whether or not they'll sell. They have an economist and team of marketing experts going off actual sales data across the MMO market to support this. They will probably sell a good number of vanity items in Eve too, if people give it few days for all the screaming and panic to subside. Most people are still too busy replacing their graphics cards, when they're done spending that RL money they'll spend it on vanity junk.

Everyone saying that the high prices of AURUM items somehow spells CCP's doom is basing this on the false assumption that CCP is relying on the AURUM to keep their game afloat. I think its pretty damn obvious that they cant support their game on MT, not at these prices, and not with less than a dozen items in the NeX, but they've always been frank that that's not the aim. Too bad everyone thinks they know CCP's intentions better than CCP.

Can anyone show me where CCP has stated that "micro" transactions (lets stop splitting hairs and just say cash bought items, micro/macro whatever) were supposed to be the new income model?? As in, replace subscription fees?

EDIT: And yes, I'm perfectly aware that DUST will not involve subscription fees, and will involve only micro transactions. I don't want to hear that silly counter. If you're already panicking cause think your DUST rifle will cost the same as an EVE monocle, I've got a Navy Issue Dominix to sell you in Jita for only 200 mil isk....its a steal.

James Hawkins
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:52:00 - [845]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Atedar Kerane
I'm not as angry about the NEX prices as I'm worried about the future of CCP
They must be in some serious financial trouble to pull off a stunt like this.

I've seen other games offering vanity items before, and I found those to be overpriced. Seems like I was wrong... I believe I've now truly learned the meaning of the word "overpriced".


"overpriced" in other games they may be, but they sell like hotcakes. CCP isn't gambling as to whether or not they'll sell. They have an economist and team of marketing experts going off actual sales data across the MMO market to support this. They will probably sell a good number of vanity items in Eve too, if people give it few days for all the screaming and panic to subside. Most people are still too busy replacing their graphics cards, when they're done spending that RL money they'll spend it on vanity junk.

Everyone saying that the high prices of AURUM items somehow spells CCP's doom is basing this on the false assumption that CCP is relying on the AURUM to keep their game afloat. I think its pretty damn obvious that they cant support their game on MT, not at these prices, and not with less than a dozen items in the NeX, but they've always been frank that that's not the aim. Too bad everyone thinks they know CCP's intentions better than CCP.

Can anyone show me where CCP has stated that "micro" transactions (lets stop splitting hairs and just say cash bought items, micro/macro whatever) were supposed to be the new income model?? As in, replace subscription fees?


so we are down to market analysts and economists to design expansions ? O.o

fly safe

Tanaka Kharn
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:53:00 - [846]
 

Lol wut ccp ?

If I could right now i would naked protest.

Dumb F$$ks

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:53:00 - [847]
 

CCP **** on us all from a great height and now expect you to eat it and tell them it tastes good

WELL DOES IT?

CCP is now apparently run by Monty Burns
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Reidsol
Blood Covenant
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:54:00 - [848]
 

Originally by: Ishnadriel
Edited by: Ishnadriel on 22/06/2011 00:09:25
I mean who is gonna buy a vanity item for 12.000 Aurum - 4 plex - 80$ dollars in real life money ?

Seriously... How bad is CCP for money ? This NEX prices are ridiculous...




Maybe u ghay, Barbie Online lovers won't f u c k up the PLEX prices so much. Actualy u will think about selling those PLEXes to some1 who actualy wants to play spaceships in a spaceship game instead buying whatever for insane amount of money. Probably these guys won't have to pay 1b for a PLEX.

Keep it up CCP.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:55:00 - [849]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 22/06/2011 09:55:27
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Can anyone show me where CCP has stated that "micro" transactions (lets stop splitting hairs and just say cash bought items, micro/macro whatever) were supposed to be the new income model?? As in, replace subscription fees?
I don't think anyone is claiming that. People are saying they're a supplemental income model (which in and of itself has annoyed quite a few through the logic of if you already pay for the game, why do you have to pay even more to get all the content?).

Simanti
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:56:00 - [850]
 

hmm, this is the equivalent of the US Fifth fleet docking in Singapore and swapping two carriers and a submarine for a pair of bermuda shorts.

I guess the reason my door to the station is locked must be due to all the muggings that take place so peeps can swap a stolen shirt for a Navy Megga or three?

Seriously guys - you advertise this expansion as an enhancement to the "imersive" experience, a shirt that costs more than a galaxy crossing starship smacks of a RL money grab and in no way adds to my imersive experience !

Rai Fulminata
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:57:00 - [851]
 

Edited by: Rai Fulminata on 22/06/2011 09:57:02
That's what they call "good game design". Nice job, CCP.
As an experienced social game developer i salute you.

Calisto Thellere
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:58:00 - [852]
 

Surely they misplaced a decimal point somewhere right? right?

In a micro transaction world, $80 is NOT micro, $8 yeah, but $80? C'mon lol

I remember when Microsoft brought out their stupid avatars in an update to appeal to the casuals ( shudder )
You could/can buy outfits and game props for micro transaction, most expensive being about 9 ( $12 or so ) and people bought them in the masses, including myself but that was because they were affordable. If those items were 90 then MS would be laughed off the scene, exactly whats going to happen to CCP if those prices are NOT an error and are infact correct.

If thats the case, then good luck CCP on making any money on this at all, that said, there will always be morons with more money than sense who will go against the grain and buy this stuff. To them, good luck and enjoy your worthless prop, i'll be in space playing pewpewpew on a pewpewpew space game.

That is what EVE is right?......

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:00:00 - [853]
 

Originally by: James Hawkins


so we are down to market analysts and economists to design expansions ? O.o

fly safe


I certainly hope that CCP employs these types, and takes their opinion into consideration. Without money management and a growth outlook, CCP and EVE would not exist, and no one in these forums would have anything to complain about in the first place.

This is business management 101. You cant fault them for actually making sure their game will continue to profit in the changing market. Not if you actually want a game to play.

Shalia Ripper
Caldari
The Elevens
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:00:00 - [854]
 

Edited by: Shalia Ripper on 22/06/2011 10:02:21
Easy fix. Make 1 plex = 35000 Aurum and this all gets instantly better.

Then the $350-400 worth of items in the MEAGER NEX are not longer stupidly priced.

P.S.

Right now, this is horribly broken.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.




Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:03:00 - [855]
 

Btw, in all of this, where's the actually EVE-themed clothing we saw in the Incarna/WIS/Ambulation previews from 2-3 years ago? The stuff I might actually have considered spending a few hundred AUR on?

It's nice and all that they're consulting fashion designers, but are they going to produce early '10s-style fashion or EVE fashion? People are still looking for the return of the designs we saw in the old character creator, because they fit the mood and setting of the game far better than anything the current clothes selection (including the NeX) has to offer.

James Hawkins
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:04:00 - [856]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: James Hawkins


so we are down to market analysts and economists to design expansions ? O.o

fly safe


I certainly hope that CCP employs these types, and takes their opinion into consideration. Without money management and a growth outlook, CCP and EVE would not exist, and no one in these forums would have anything to complain about in the first place.

This is business management 101. You cant fault them for actually making sure their game will continue to profit in the changing market. Not if you actually want a game to play.


but i can fault them for trying to milk a loyal memberbase that already IS PAYING for the game by either buying PLEXs to convert or by simply paying a monthly sub fee ....

fly safe

PS: and if 50% of the """content""" in this expansion is about making money off of the players ... well i fault em even more ...

Andrei Vassaliev
Cursed Inc.
Not Found.
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:04:00 - [857]
 

Edited by: Andrei Vassaliev on 22/06/2011 10:07:11
Edited by: Andrei Vassaliev on 22/06/2011 10:06:29
Easy fix: boycott NEX market and f*** this CCP scam.
80$, or even 8$, are unacceptable for a f***ing virtual pant.

WTF CCP?

Scyth Darkhope
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:06:00 - [858]
 

WTF !?!?!?

Cloth made of bits is more expensive than real cloth?

This is outrageous and an insult to undeveloped countries.

Arand Nersar
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:09:00 - [859]
 

u can buy a few games for the cost of a vanity item.

The Offerer
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:11:00 - [860]
 

Edited by: The Offerer on 22/06/2011 10:15:41
Edited by: The Offerer on 22/06/2011 10:14:11
Originally by: MotherMoon
Originally by: Galandole Tsuramananda
UGH IM SO ****ED OFF BECAUSE CCP IS FORCING ME TO BUY THESE CLOTHES WITH MY HARD EARNED MONEY/ISK AND EVERYONE WILL THINK I'M GAY BECAUSE I WAS FORCED TO BUY THIS AND EVERYONE ELSE WILL BE GAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO BUY IT TOO--

What? We don't have to buy it?

You sure?


so if you eat at a taco bell. and they start selling taco with human meat. and chrage like 400$ a taco. It's ok becuase you don't have to buy that taco?becuase the other menu is still there?


It's morally wrong to eat human meat, but it's not morally wrong to take money from rich or stupid people. The first group can afford it anyway and the second don't need the money anyway.

Oh... and it's your choice: http://store.eveonline.com/Amarr-T-shirt-P74.aspx @ $14.99 or a more expensive pixel version in game Laughing

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:12:00 - [861]
 

Originally by: Arand Nersar
u can buy a few games for the cost of a vanity item.


18 months and all we got were some turrets and a room. Listen, I payed some good subscription fees, and CCP made an embarrassing store and rap video. Corporate douchebags.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:13:00 - [862]
 

Originally by: Calisto Thellere
that said, there will always be morons with more money than sense who will go against the grain and buy this stuff. To them, good luck and enjoy your worthless prop, i'll be in space playing pewpewpew on a pewpewpew space game.

That is what EVE is right?......


I was about to go off about XBOX live community and EVE community being about as comparable as apples and oranges, but this is actually a really good point. There will always be morons with more money than sense, and who want to buy this stuff.

There is also morons with more isk than sense, and scammers profit off them every day in New Eden.

What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on.

Here's a pro tip - the reason you always see those autocannons and ships on the market for what others see as laughable prices.....is cause they actually sell. Sooner or later, someone actually takes the bait, gets drunk, makes a mistake, and a profit is made.

CCP isn't even pulling a bait and switch. They never promised two dollar monocles, and the price on the NeX is for what you're actually getting. Yes, your monocle will actually cost you a carrier.

People will buy these. And CCP may even chuckle a little to themselves and enjoy the extra cash. But guess what, its their game, they can do that. Like you said, most people will still be in space playing the pew pew game. I know I will. Monocles wont hurt me one bit.

James Hawkins
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:16:00 - [863]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
Originally by: Calisto Thellere
that said, there will always be morons with more money than sense who will go against the grain and buy this stuff. To them, good luck and enjoy your worthless prop, i'll be in space playing pewpewpew on a pewpewpew space game.

That is what EVE is right?......


I was about to go off about XBOX live community and EVE community being about as comparable as apples and oranges, but this is actually a really good point. There will always be morons with more money than sense, and who want to buy this stuff.

There is also morons with more isk than sense, and scammers profit off them every day in New Eden.

What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on.

Here's a pro tip - the reason you always see those autocannons and ships on the market for what others see as laughable prices.....is cause they actually sell. Sooner or later, someone actually takes the bait, gets drunk, makes a mistake, and a profit is made.

CCP isn't even pulling a bait and switch. They never promised two dollar monocles, and the price on the NeX is for what you're actually getting. Yes, your monocle will actually cost you a carrier.

People will buy these. And CCP may even chuckle a little to themselves and enjoy the extra cash. But guess what, its their game, they can do that. Like you said, most people will still be in space playing the pew pew game. I know I will. Monocles wont hurt me one bit.


so
1. those morons will buy stuff for aurum
2. CCP realizes "Hey this works out fine"
3. ...
4. CCP adds more content for morons and none for the "real" spaceship pilots that loved this game since it started in 03

yay for no real content in the upcoming years

fly safe

Kane Molou
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:18:00 - [864]
 

Edited by: Kane Molou on 22/06/2011 10:19:48
For those saying 'its not expensive'..

Ok here is the 'facts' of that it's not expensive.


No matter how YOU get your PLEX some one has spent anywhere from 15.95 - 19.95$US (Depending on how they got it / where from etc).

Now simple math alone tells you that if 1 PLEX costs 16.00$ for nice rounding sake, and 1 Plex Buys you 3,500AUR that means that 3,500AUR is worth .... that's right 16$US real life money.. real life value, 3,500AUR = 1 months subscription.. no if/but or anything else.

Now that means that 1 AUR = 0.0045USD, which is yes a small amount.. until you look at the items and realise that there is NOTHING really there for anything short of 3,000 AUR so the minimum amount you have to spend is (i'm not logged into eve at present obviously) 3,200 AUR which = 14.40$USD that is -NOT- in most peoples minds a micro transaction, especially when fo the same price from SONY (the normal price gougers) you can pick up a vanity mount for that price, or.. what 2 sets of clothing that being head, chest, pants, boots, cloak etc.

On Star Trek online that amount will get you a ship + an extra race.

On second life that price = a decent amount of Linkin which is then spent on items CREATED by the player base so it's Fueling the PLAYER economy.

edit to add:

from bioware - an entire extra 2 - 10 hours play in the form of DLC for Dragon Age or Mass Effect 2.

end edit.

The current pricing is a joke, especially when some items are costing 4 - 5 plex.. that's 4 - 5 months of subscription!

And to top it off CCP is unwilling to post openly up here about the prices and the one person who has spoken about it in chat earlier made out like hey we are money grabbing A$$holes wanting to peeve you off.. but you can't call him on it because that's a personal attack and they will close your thread.

CCP needs to openly address the issue, today not next week, because after the Developers 99$ stuff, the out right 'well the CSM is behind us on all this on multipul issues (from jump bridges - hey lets give the ship for cash) (Which we've found out that the CSM wasn't even told parts of this if seleene is to be believed)' and now this itself.. CCP needs to make an offical statement on if they are just after cash now and if not WHY the pricing is that high it might as well be a joke.


Doctor Ungabungas
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:26:00 - [865]
 

Edited by: Doctor Ungabungas on 22/06/2011 10:28:59
Originally by: Kane Molou

Now simple math alone tells you that if 1 PLEX costs 16.00$ for nice rounding sake, and 1 Plex Buys you 3,500AUR that means that 3,500AUR is worth .... that's right 16$US real life money.. real life value, 3,500AUR = 1 months subscription.. no if/but or anything else.



It's a one way process only. 15 dollars will get you one PLEX. But one PLEX is worth nothing at all in the real world, not even 30 days of game time. (Check your EULA.) The people you should be raging at are the ones who are throwing away isk buying PLEX in the first place. (Maybe we should retitle this thread: PLEX buyers face uncomfortable truths about internet spaceships).

Honestly, the best part about the monocle debate is that many of the people outraged about the cost of monocles would spend thousands on a titan if they had the chance.

Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:28:00 - [866]
 

Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 22/06/2011 10:29:13
Originally by: James Hawkins

so
1. those morons will buy stuff for aurum
2. CCP realizes "Hey this works out fine"
3. ...
4. CCP adds more content for morons and none for the "real" spaceship pilots that loved this game since it started in 03

yay for no real content in the upcoming years

fly safe


Put your money where your mouth is - lets sign a gentlemen's agreement, with Chribba notarizing. If after 2 calendar years from today's date, and your predictions are correct and there is no new content other than in the NeX store, you can have all my stuff. As in, all my assets, wallet, ships, on all my accounts, and I'll transfer all my characters to your accounts.

If after two calendar years, there are new developments OTHER than more micro transactions in EvE, you will give me all your stuffs, characters, ships, isk, accounts.

Whichever one of us is wrong, has to start over from scratch, or ragequit in a fit of tears and shame.

And yes, I'm quite serious.


Shaemell Buttleson
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:30:00 - [867]
 

Think I'm going to watch this for a few weeks before I make any comments.


Larik Olen
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:30:00 - [868]
 

29 page threadnaught within 24 hours and no proper CCP response? Disgusting.


Futile Rhetoric
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:32:00 - [869]
 

Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on.

I like the fact that even the most vociferous defender of CCP in this thread is comparing them to Jita scammers.

Here's a tip for you, brosiris: nobody likes Jita scammers.

Seako
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:33:00 - [870]
 

Originally by: Futile Rhetoric
Originally by: Hans Jagerblitzen
What is hilarious is players playing a game of ruthless capitalistic freedom whining that they are being "ruthlessly capitalized" on.

I like the fact that even the most vociferous defender of CCP in this thread is comparing them to Jita scammers.

Here's a tip for you, brosiris: nobody likes Jita scammers.


Agree!


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