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Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:27:00 - [811]
 

Originally by: Skyreth
Originally by: Hieder

Sounds like they are trying to forcefeed it to us.



When a lot of the people posting here are acting like children, can you blame them?


True, although MT is to a degree fine (I'm more concerned about haggling over price on that front) it's ships/modules/ammo for MT that I'm taking umbridge over.

That and Incarna, whilst a nice basic building block is acting very oddly. Guns moving around, black characters turning white... reports of random breast growth. That sort of thing.

It's understandable people are a bit upset.

john roe
BearingPoint
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:30:00 - [812]
 

Originally by: Shinshi Casoyako
Subscription cancelled, cant play the game with my card and the update doesnt give me a reason to pay money for a new card.

Might return when I got a new computer, but the game overall has gone downhill from when I started 7ish years ago.

Actually Incarna is probably the best update to stop eve-addiction



word :]

cccp, i dont know if you have noticed it but we (homo-sapiens) are in the middle
of global MONETARY scrisis (not economical, but monetary crisis, artificialy created
in order to enslave human race even more and reduce it's population... which will be a good thing) and not all of us can afford a new 'puter' every 6 months so...

many of us will have to leave.

Aphatasis
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:42:00 - [813]
 

Edited by: Aphatasis on 23/06/2011 10:43:39

!!! GIVE US ANSWERS TO OUR QUESTONS IN A DEVBLOG !!!


Adrian Dixon
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:44:00 - [814]
 

I prefer the orange beams on strip miners when mining asteroids, blue should only be used for Ice mining.
After playing for a few days it needs to be space>old hanger>CQ that would be far better for immersion aswell.

By the way I left Team Fortress 2 for EVE because valve added those Micro-transactions.

Clementine A
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:53:00 - [815]
 

Pretty much has been said here already, anyway here's my rant.

CQ is a good idea, but honestly right now it's just horrible. Long loading time, poor performances. I don't know how it's coded, I've run many 3D games that look fantastic & perform much better. Perhaps my card is too old for the shading features used, but I think I'm not alone in this case. So it's a pretty bad move.

The lighting in the room is just.. horrible. I've turned everything to max, just to see how it looks like. My "incarnation" looks so bad with those lights... Anyway, this is just a detail, far less important than poor performances.

I'd like the old hangar view to be back. With an action : "get out of my capsule". I often dock just for a few seconds, unloading cargo or repairing things, I don't have to get out of my capsule for that.
Even when walking in the station will be fully implemented, we should stay in the capsule until we decide to get out. I don't need to get out for the unloading of my containers.



Yabba Addict
Posted - 2011.06.23 10:54:00 - [816]
 

Heh, so this is really where you want me to post this? In a competley ignored feedback thread? Fine sure, here goes...

EvE Online is made up of two distinct parts, CCP and it's player base. Admittedly, we've never given you a very easy time CCP, but by and large most have been quite happy with what you've given us.
I've been here since '08, and in that time you showered us with revemaped graphics, a new line of strategic cruisers, wormholes and incursions, and done a pretty good job too.
Now this...well what to say? During all the time i was here, i've never seen so much flame and hate towards an expansion before it even came out. Oh sure, the incursion expansion had a little *****ing, people were worried they'd have to join in, ready or not. But this is nothing compared to the absolute $h!tstorm that you've created, hell this time we've got leaked documents portraying you as someone i wouldn't trust with a bucket, nearly every gaming publication is flaming you over the prices of your macrotransactions, a significant portion of your playerbase has turned off CQ and the ones that run it are mentioning massive temps in their rigs. Bravo
EvE Online is made up of two distinct parts, CCP and it's player base. I get the feeling they're not on the same page anymore.

I'm done, no you can't have it, I trashed the lot already. To the part of EvE of which i was a member, so long, one of the best online communities i have known.

Yabba Addict


Marchland
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:00:00 - [817]
 

Edited by: Marchland on 23/06/2011 11:03:58
Originally by: Angel HUN
Why did you waste so much time on this?
Why did you waste so much time on this?
Why did you waste so much time on this?
Why did you waste so much time on this?
Why did you waste so much time on this?

Please give hanger view back, and make Incarna something that you CHOOSE to enter once in station.


Complete waste of the massive amount of time you could have spent making your SPACESHIP GAME better. Turrets are a joke, multi-clienting is damn near impossible, 2x the memory usage for worse performance and a whole patch full of entirely useless "features" making my hard-as-nails spaceship game into insanely high priced Space-WoW-That-Runs-Like-Crap-and-is-less-fun-than-crapping. "The game is outside the station, man" you say? Wrong, turret changes were useless and now getting into and out of space is ****ing impossible because of the lag. New Maller skin? Cute, what about the 45 other ships that needed that way more? I'm not even going to BEGIN QQing about the prices of Aurum; what a joke. They FORCED us into the station with this, forced me out of my POD which I never wanted to leave. Why would I?

I'm truly sad, not angry, believe it or not, because CCP wasted so much time trying to be like WoW they forgot what made their game great: Spaceships. It's been said earlier: the sense of scale is gone, or mutilated is a better word. The technical impact has rendered a lot of players unable to play. The only "upgrade" being the turret effects is hilarious, since half of the turrets descriptions are misrepresented. (4 barrels? How about TWO!).

"This is only the beginning" you say? I don't care; If I can't feel like I have control of a massive starship, docked or undocked, it just doesn't feel right. Things, in fact, can only get worse as they expand the area we are forced out of our pods and into more and more.

In my opinion the future of EVE Online rested on this patch, and it did NOT deliver. I thought CCP was kidding with their ambitious "Take over the world" campaign. They just did a swell job of nipping that in the bud; you sunk your own battleship. That ambition got the best you guys and I hope you can fix it before you hemorrhage members.

EDIT: Filtered words, punctuation.

Doc Endstufe
United Aerospace Co-op
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 - [818]
 

Edited by: Doc Endstufe on 23/06/2011 11:10:13
Alrighty, I didn't read through all the 28 pages of reviews I'm just giving feedback.

1) Captains Quarters are nice but
-You should be able run! (And strafe =p). Movement is not implemented very good.. it doesnt feel right.
-Too dark, no way to turn light up. Only if you make changes to your graphic cards overall settings.
-It should be optional to step in the Captains Quarters. If you want to dock and undock quickly it just takes toooo much time to load all that stuff.. and my PC is quite ok with everything else.
-Also what do I want with two characters in the CQ? My alt doesnt need it.
-Make the graphic settings for CQ's more customizable. E.g. make it possible to make things look different in space and in station.

2) Turrets are nice.. but way too small. To look at battleships turrets you need glasses to find them. I thought they were more massive! And to be honest i dont like the icons, i mean they're ugly.. or i'm not yet used to it.

3) Scaling in the station is very wierd. 420m long ships look smaller than 200m long ships and stuff like that. Also the big ships are.. small! Something went wrong there.

4) You cant spin your ship!

5) You should be able to decide what programs you watch on the CQ monitors. (And include CCP youtube channel and eveTV!)

EDIT: 6) OH YEAH AND SERIOUSLY WHY DONT YOU FINALLY MAKE LAUNCHER MODELS! hell.. thats so stupid. If you dont like missiles ban them from game. But always this *launchers are bad*we dont like launchers* is so annoying. FIX IT


I cant say that i like the expansion... and thats the first time for eve! All in all it doesnt seem completed..

Xulit
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 - [819]
 

Edited by: Xulit on 23/06/2011 11:05:47
Unlike most people in this thread, I like the new station environment. I'm going to miss station spinning.. Oh well. I actually have one issue, you guys said the performance wouldn't change much, how come do I get an increase of 25 degree Celsius on an Nvidia 470 GTX? Damn! I had to install the EVGA Precision program so my GPU doesn't melt!Neutral

EDIT : Stupid alt!

LordKofler
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:05:00 - [820]
 

A quick feedback from me:

The New Turret models are awesome, fights look much cooler now. BUT I WANT LAUNCHER MODELS!!! okay the CQ is really useless crap (sry but its true) if u really want us to play eve with the CQ at least give a sprint function!

Also: please, please, PLEASE give me the old strip miner animation! the new one isn't cooler it's just lame, really lame!

The new recruitment screen is well done, so GJ on that.

Autumn Blaqk
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:09:00 - [821]
 

How do I cancel my sub? Since they "Incarna-cized" the account management page I can no longer find "Cancel Subscription."

Attaia
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:12:00 - [822]
 

I have serious doubts about devs actually reading those threads, let alone acknowledging the issues. I like the eye candy, although there are issues - suddenly my boobs got a lot bigger than in the creator. Trying to get those 13yo boys into the game, huh?

I'll be another one to say it: I really see no reason to load full CQ when I pop into station to grab some more ammo or quickly finish mission/request new one. It kinda slows things down even on my stupid-fast, overclocked and watercooled workstation, not to mention it really breaks the immersion - on real ships the captain leaves only for very important reasons, not to restock.

Agent finder is great. Probably the only actually useful addition.

Doc Endstufe
United Aerospace Co-op
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:13:00 - [823]
 

Originally by: Autumn Blaqk
How do I cancel my sub? Since they "Incarna-cized" the account management page I can no longer find "Cancel Subscription."


Tbh thats one thing easy to find...

Autumn Blaqk
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:16:00 - [824]
 

Originally by: Doc Endstufe
Originally by: Autumn Blaqk
How do I cancel my sub? Since they "Incarna-cized" the account management page I can no longer find "Cancel Subscription."


Tbh thats one thing easy to find...


Actually there was no button since I'm paying with PLEX; I got linked to the page and it said "No Subscription is Active". Good riddance.

Khyle Aumer
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:17:00 - [825]
 

Unlike everyone in this thread, I'm loving Incarna so far.

Would like to see more CQ variations with the next update. Hope it's not race-specific though, would make more sense if it's location specific. (ie. Amarr quarters if you dock in an Amarrian station, etc.)

Eldh
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:19:00 - [826]
 

Originally by: Alxea
To all quitting eve, can I has your stuff? If so contract me all your stuff. Laughing



LOL! Hillarious! =)) love it ;)

//Eldh

KhaelaMensha Khaine
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:25:00 - [827]
 

Originally by: Ernar Astrandur
Well CQ looks interesting, but it should NOT be the default whenever you enter a station! Please, please let us choose whether we want to leave our Pod and enter CQ or just stay in the Pod and quickly change ships or load cargo.

I like the new turrets though! However their icons could be a bit clearer...



That's a nice summary of how I also feel about the new content. It's a bad idea to force CQ (and Incarna) onto people like this. Instead you should be enticing them out of their pods with cool new gameplay and features. The carrot is mightier than the stick in the long run.

I think we're all waiting to hear if this was just yet another error in judgement or if it was infact a deliberate pre-planned change of direction in the way new content is added. I still have faith in CCP and hope it turns out to be the former but I'm already disappointed either way.

The last really impressive expansion for me was Dominion (and we're still dealing with on-going problems from that even now!). Since then they've all been mediocre at best. Three 'meh' expansions in a row doesn't look good.


Zanussi Lynx
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:27:00 - [828]
 

Guys! seriously, stop your *****ing and moaning. Incarna is great and if u cant run two or more clients at the same time you seriously need to buy yourself a new rig.

Dont be so shortsighted, when Incarna is 100% complete i bet its gonna be the best thing that happened to EvE.

If you have money to pay for eve, you have money for a new PC.

Kmelx
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:28:00 - [829]
 

Just took a look at the Incursion 1.0 feedback thread to see whether this sort of response is usual to an update, that thread ran to six pages - we're on 28 pages of people complaining about Incarna already.

I'd be interested to find out whether CCP have anyway of tracking how many users who have downloaded the update have turned off CQ, that would be a set of numbers I would like to look at.

CCP I realise that you think Incarna is important and will help you to interest new users, fair enough, I have no problem with you looking for new customers, unfortunately very few of your existing users were interested in this feature. In deploying it you've taken development resources off the things we would like to see like new classes of ships etc and space related fixes and features.

To top it off you've taken away the existing hangar system that we were quite happy with, then replaced it with a glitchy, bugged and unfinished resource intensive replacement.

In your search for new customers you've managed to sideline and ignore your existing customers, you need to seriously think about the direction your heading in, some new customers are'nt going to help you if you p**s off athe majority of exisiting customers and they start cancelling their subscriptions.


ballzack booty
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:28:00 - [830]
 

i thank that we should get new paint jobs on the ships not closes for a person you cant do things with. come on we need a button to exit ship make the stations a button not just out when docked. and you have lost some of the player base and dont seem to give a crap. DO something about that and not make new glasses for things we cant even show off.

Maslow's Needs
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:29:00 - [831]
 

Must rate CQ portion of the Incarna downgrade as a complete fail. A system that runs 60 fps or better in heavy combat in space only runs 11 fps in CQ. Environment too dark. All that unesscessary smoke and steam. ( I mean really, you have the technology for capsuleers and can't make pipes that don't leak.) All interactions are clunky and unresponsive. Like others I want the drop and drag ship change back. The store I can only asume is a huge 11 week late April fools joke. Yes DLC is an importan part of gaming company income these days but the standard price is $4 us for a bundle of three or four items.CQ is off in my game and I see no reason to turn on except if you completely rework. If you make the avatar more central to the game I will ust quite as it is currently completely unplayable.

ninjutzu
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:30:00 - [832]
 

Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
For all the people that are accusing us of being whiners, complaining about changes we don't like, afraid of change etc, etc....

1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your 2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.

2. What your failing to grasp, from your electronic ivory PC towers, is that it would seem that Incarna is not working on a huge number of your fellow players set up's.

3. We pay for the same product as you and if it wasn't working you'd be whining too.

4. As we are paying customers of CCP, we pay for the development, wages and costs of CCP. So we are morally and more importantly legally entitled to complain when it goes wrong.

5. When other customers with brand new gaming rigs the equal or even better than yours are saying it's killing their rig, then there is a serious problem with this beta release.

6. There is no 6.

7. Most of us were looking forward to WIS, excited even by the possibilities it would bring. Sadly, it would seem that CCP have bitten more than they chew. After nearly 5 years of development they can't get an Avatar to walk around one room without CPU's melting.

8. Fundamental design choice errors have clearly been made. For example, the fact that CQ uses massively more resources than flying in space but CCP failed to make separate graphic settings for the two environments. My PC with AA off, can happily run space on full settings at 60fps with only 25% CPU usage. CQ is turned on, it shares the same settings as space, I dock and it goes up to 98% CPU, a 20 degree jump in temperature and less than 10 fps. So the only option is to turn it off completely, thereby relegating the hard work that CCP have clearly done on it as pointless.

9. CQ doesn't even work on low settings for me. It took 2 minutes for my avatar to fully render. The first minute was just his hair moving about in a black and white box shaped room. Is this now considered acceptable as gold master standard?

10. It's increasingly obvious to many on the forums, both here and in corps throughout the game as well as in the game itself that CQ wasn't ready for inclusion in Incarna. It's made progress since the test servers we were all invited to try, I grant you that. But for full release on thousands of different PC set ups..... it's nowhere near ready, is clearly still beta and shouldn't have released till Incursion 1.1 or even 1.2. Like I said, if most are having to turn it off, then it was a waste of CCP's time and our money.

I'm currently downloading the full client. I'm hoping that with a fresh install and a few other tweaks on my PC I might get it working better.

But should I doing all that in the first place is all I'm saying. I pay to play EVE, not to get it working. That's what I pay CCP for.




whiner

OldWolf69
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:44:00 - [833]
 

Incarna proved to be just a inutile suite of gadgets, absolute unimportant for gameplay. Disabled what i could, but game still works ****ty. Or, yeah, you can call it "the-2000-euro-computer-wasting-game". There are a lot of important issues never solved for some misterious reasons. And now we get this. Who the f***'s vanity are we feeding atm? Another idiot's project just NEEDED to be implemented because his position in company or goddamn what? All functionable we got here was better doable by 3rd party apps, without making game work worser as it did. I remember Mass Efect 1. I know, is old, but engine is Aeons ahead of what we got here, and can be played for fewer requirements of hardware. And here it's just a jerky room. And, for helluva cash, a monocle too. It's a bad joke, a trap for idiots? "Our monocle will make you PAY HAPPY"?
CCP, what is going on? This is the "we want you outta game" patch?

Exo Cab
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:46:00 - [834]
 

Originally by: ninjutzu
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
For all the people that are accusing us of being whiners, complaining about changes we don't like, afraid of change etc, etc....

1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your 2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.

2. What your failing to grasp, from your electronic ivory PC towers, is that it would seem that Incarna is not working on a huge number of your fellow players set up's.

3. We pay for the same product as you and if it wasn't working you'd be whining too.

4. As we are paying customers of CCP, we pay for the development, wages and costs of CCP. So we are morally and more importantly legally entitled to complain when it goes wrong.

5. When other customers with brand new gaming rigs the equal or even better than yours are saying it's killing their rig, then there is a serious problem with this beta release.

6. There is no 6.

7. Most of us were looking forward to WIS, excited even by the possibilities it would bring. Sadly, it would seem that CCP have bitten more than they chew. After nearly 5 years of development they can't get an Avatar to walk around one room without CPU's melting.

8. Fundamental design choice errors have clearly been made. For example, the fact that CQ uses massively more resources than flying in space but CCP failed to make separate graphic settings for the two environments. My PC with AA off, can happily run space on full settings at 60fps with only 25% CPU usage. CQ is turned on, it shares the same settings as space, I dock and it goes up to 98% CPU, a 20 degree jump in temperature and less than 10 fps. So the only option is to turn it off completely, thereby relegating the hard work that CCP have clearly done on it as pointless.

9. CQ doesn't even work on low settings for me. It took 2 minutes for my avatar to fully render. The first minute was just his hair moving about in a black and white box shaped room. Is this now considered acceptable as gold master standard?

10. It's increasingly obvious to many on the forums, both here and in corps throughout the game as well as in the game itself that CQ wasn't ready for inclusion in Incarna. It's made progress since the test servers we were all invited to try, I grant you that. But for full release on thousands of different PC set ups..... it's nowhere near ready, is clearly still beta and shouldn't have released till Incursion 1.1 or even 1.2. Like I said, if most are having to turn it off, then it was a waste of CCP's time and our money....




whiner


Uhm, my laptop is about 3 or 4 years old...it's a little laggy in the station, but that's all. My guess is most of you have entirely way to much junk running on your comps, and you all fall into the large user base who has no idea how to keep their computers running smoothly...i.e. spyware, many start up programs, desktops cluttered, etc.

The fact that it's running a duo 2.0 GHZ processor, 4gigs of ram, and a 256mb Nvidia card should tell you that it's no where close to what they are putting out these days. Compared to a decent PC those numbers are a joke.

Don't get me wrong, you have a legit complaint. Your experience has obviously gotten worse, but what about all these other complaints though? It's just ridiculous, because you can tell it's anti-change...You can't survive in a tech world without constantly evolving. While you may think they are making a mistake by introducing change, they'd be making a bigger one if they didn't. Games that don't evolve end up with a happy community of around 1k customers, while the people who run them usually end up having another primary job elsewhere.

And it's always either the unhappy or the lucky ones who take the time to post. At least that's been my experience. So chances are, just because you see a massive thread of whining, doesn't mean the majority of the community feels that way. In fact, when I am in the game...I see a lot of happiness.

OldWolf69
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:47:00 - [835]
 

And what? Now we need to have all IT degrees to play a game?

ballzack booty
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:49:00 - [836]
 

if ccp cant pull there heads out of there butts and make the game that the players love. there will be no players to play. if that is what ccp likes then we can all go to wow or games that do things for there player base not the bs that we have now.you ft up the game now fix it.

Capsuleer Newton
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.23 11:56:00 - [837]
 

Originally by: ninjutzu
Originally by: Dennie Fleetfoot
For all the people that are accusing us of being whiners, complaining about changes we don't like, afraid of change etc, etc....

1. I'm happy, ney, delighted for you that CQ works splendidly on your 2k gaming rig. Fair play to you.

2. What your failing to grasp, from your electronic ivory PC towers, is that it would seem that Incarna is not working on a huge number of your fellow players set up's.

3. We pay for the same product as you and if it wasn't working you'd be whining too.

4. As we are paying customers of CCP, we pay for the development, wages and costs of CCP. So we are morally and more importantly legally entitled to complain when it goes wrong.

5. When other customers with brand new gaming rigs the equal or even better than yours are saying it's killing their rig, then there is a serious problem with this beta release.

6. There is no 6.

7. Most of us were looking forward to WIS, excited even by the possibilities it would bring. Sadly, it would seem that CCP have bitten more than they chew. After nearly 5 years of development they can't get an Avatar to walk around one room without CPU's melting.

8. Fundamental design choice errors have clearly been made. For example, the fact that CQ uses massively more resources than flying in space but CCP failed to make separate graphic settings for the two environments. My PC with AA off, can happily run space on full settings at 60fps with only 25% CPU usage. CQ is turned on, it shares the same settings as space, I dock and it goes up to 98% CPU, a 20 degree jump in temperature and less than 10 fps. So the only option is to turn it off completely, thereby relegating the hard work that CCP have clearly done on it as pointless.

9. CQ doesn't even work on low settings for me. It took 2 minutes for my avatar to fully render. The first minute was just his hair moving about in a black and white box shaped room. Is this now considered acceptable as gold master standard?

10. It's increasingly obvious to many on the forums, both here and in corps throughout the game as well as in the game itself that CQ wasn't ready for inclusion in Incarna. It's made progress since the test servers we were all invited to try, I grant you that. But for full release on thousands of different PC set ups..... it's nowhere near ready, is clearly still beta and shouldn't have released till Incursion 1.1 or even 1.2. Like I said, if most are having to turn it off, then it was a waste of CCP's time and our money.

I'm currently downloading the full client. I'm hoping that with a fresh install and a few other tweaks on my PC I might get it working better.

But should I doing all that in the first place is all I'm saying. I pay to play EVE, not to get it working. That's what I pay CCP for.




whiner


hmm, i agree to his whining,2 instances of Eve undocked is only 11% CPU utilization on an Intel 860 2.8GHz proc, when both instances are docked, CPU jumps to 38%, not that its a problem to me, but I guess CCP just bumped hardware requirements for Eve to the higher end of the spectrum, what it means? simple, not all people who wants to play Eve be willing to upgrade a pc just to play Eve.

Tariq Norn
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:01:00 - [838]
 

I have a top of the range Alienware gaming rig...it eats anything you can buy off the shelves so please no 'go get yourself a new machine' cruddy replies.

Incarna is crap...it doesnt do anything....it adds nothing to the game....it looks rubbish and kills off my corp mates pc's which maybe arnt quite as new as mine.

The features were not asked for....quite the opposit...the client base is telling you we want improvements in terms of mission variety and content, cap ship warfare, new ships etc etc, yet CCP continue to ignore our feedback.

Subscription now cancelled in protest at a company that continues to do its own thing, instead of what the customer wants!

I will leave my stuff sitting in my hangar in the small hope that ccp sees common sense and changes incarna to an 'opt in' option, leaving the rest of us spinning ships in our hangars, and perhaps looks at the stuff that needs fixing, rather than introducing more crap that is broken....seriously!

Aria Carna
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:06:00 - [839]
 

Originally by: OldWolf69
And what? Now we need to have all IT degrees to play a game?

You don't have to have an IT degree for something as simple as removing spyware and stopping unnecessary services/apps. Its a common knowledge.

Anghelitus Marduk
Posted - 2011.06.23 12:24:00 - [840]
 

Make available the old dock view and getting out of the capsule optional, i dont want to get out from capsule just to unload and get back to space. I have to wait 1-2 minutes for station environment to load. i turn off station environment and i expect to see the old dock view where i can play around with the actual ship... u know the piece of junk that i fly around in space -- the central core of the game. i dont want to see my old ass swinging around my room XD


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