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Alvia Siv
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:48:00 - [571]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Alvia Siv
Originally by: Nabuch Sattva

turning off CQ should equal OLD HANGER!! (spinning ships).

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH CCP
I can not for the life of me understand why it is not so,
have been trying to find an explanation from devs the past few hours and there's nothing.
Please, someone, any ideas? It seems so stupid it completely beats me

Explanation is easy: immersion. Having two completely different ship hangars is breaking immersion immensely.


And the bulkhead 2D JPG is more immersive?
*facepalm*

electrostatus
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 - [572]
 

Where is the STATION INFORMATION in the STATION SERVICES window?




is this a bug? because if it isn't, it needs to be returned (and if it is, it better be fixed!). How else am I going to know who owns the station? or if I docked at the right station? why was this even considered removing?

I'm not going to walk very slowly (read: at top speed) over to the hanger where my ship is, turn around to look at the small obscured icon above the doorway I just walked through to see the logo, which is much smaller and harder to read than it was where it was before on the station services window.

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:50:00 - [573]
 

If you want CCP to listen:

http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5849/iquit.jpg

Image changed to URL. Zymurgist

Dallenn
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:56:00 - [574]
 

Edited by: Dallenn on 22/06/2011 15:59:27
Captain's Quarters

Quite happy with this, wasn't really expecting much more from the first dose of Incarna and it seems fairly smooth at this point. I like how this adds a new graphical dimension to the game (think about fanvids and the like) and I'm looking forward to where you can take this feature. What we need next is just a little bit of customization, like lights and how messy my quarters looks (pizza boxes, dirty underwear... you get the idea). And why on earth is there QUAFE in my quarters??? I drink STARSI, STARSI do you get it??? Sigh. Very Happy

Oh, another thing: more control of the camera! I would still like to look around the station hangar hall, just like in the old days, peek down chasms and so on. Plus I want to zoom out/in a bit more to the characters, get new camera angles/position, etc.

Noble Store

Well it's quite obvious that this is the business case for introducing WiS. Keeping that in mind, the prices are kinda ok. You just have to consider if the items really are that stylish, and cater to different tastes, eg. us roleplayers. I really miss my family collar from the previous 7 years and would like it back. Also not all players are going to buy prop items costing $10 or so - you'll need to offer items at a way lower cost of aurum to make profit out of the deep end of the player barrel.

People's elbow
Posted - 2011.06.22 15:59:00 - [575]
 

I WANT THE INCARNA OFF BUTON !!! +100000000000000000

I WANT YOU TO FIX THE GAME IT WAS BEFORE INCARNA +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000


Temuken Radzu
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:00:00 - [576]
 

Quit whining you bunch of morons... For Years you have asked for walking in stations, now it is finaly there and the only thing you can complain about is that you miss the ship spinning and the little lag and the fact you can only walk in one room... Have some faith, CCP isnt blind you know. It is just the very beginning of Incarna... we will get more and it will get better.

JUST STOP WHINING AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE!!!!

Atra Hasis
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 - [577]
 

The having to load the station environment every time I dock has made me switch to using my POS as a more time efficient living situation.

The lighting suck in the station, everytime I try to recustomize my face the game crashes and I am running a 240GTS 1Gig

And half the time I open a planet in PI the game crashes. I have run the repair tool twice so I know its not my client.

Oh, and 4 PLEX's for a vanity item, even if I was going to buy that stupid crap, I would tell you to shove it after I saw that. That thing better make my package super huge or you can gtfo.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:01:00 - [578]
 

CCP, why were the old Tutorial_Agents who gave the mission 'The Endless Battle' removed from the game? That's 15 agents for each of the 4 main Factions. Total = 60 agents.

They were a good source for gaining Faction standing, even if it was just a small amount.

What's the matter, you guys don't like my Faction Standing Repair Plan?


Besides the removal of those agents and adding more lag, Incarna/Captains Quarters is cool.

I like the direction this game is heading. One step closer to a virtual Universe simulation.

DMC


P.S.
Please give those agents a raise in pay and bring them back out of retirement.

S'qarpium D'igil
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:02:00 - [579]
 

Originally by: Temuken Radzu
Quit whining you bunch of morons... For Years you have asked for walking in stations, now it is finaly there and the only thing you can complain about is that you miss the ship spinning and the little lag and the fact you can only walk in one room... Have some faith, CCP isnt blind you know. It is just the very beginning of Incarna... we will get more and it will get better.

JUST STOP WHINING AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE!!!!


Test server users have been asking them to fix these things for months. My faith is gone until they show some progress on fixing it. Patience with CCP? So I should just wait 5 more years for them to respond, amirite?

Inanna NiKunni
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:04:00 - [580]
 

I would like to offer some constructive feedback.
Overall its a good start, needs a little polish, but its good.

the only thing that i really dislike is the turret icons. turrets in space look good, but the icons look like s#1t.

see example below
[URL=http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/607/trurret.jpg/][/url]Please visit your user settings to enable images.

Rosmel
Alba Governance
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:04:00 - [581]
 

This sucks so much
1: I like my original picture im not wasting time making a new 1 so i can login
2: 6 months $ for crap clothes "right"
3: option to turn off CQ please
4: if this results in more subscriptions ccp will do more nonsense
5: if this drops the player numbers will they learn " No"
6: worse deployment ever what else can i do with my time?

Feanor Sill
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:05:00 - [582]
 

This is the first actual day of playing with Incarna on TQ for me.

And I must say I am quite happy with it, works smoothly,
system is stable running all my three accounts of which two have WIS disabled.
No issues at all.

I read the blogs, so I know it is just a first single player instalment.
I feel seriously sorry for those whose computers have been denied EVE because of shader 3.0 requirement
...I know, you announced that few months ago, before fanfest even, game must move on with technology...
No argument here.

I beg you, however, keep the option for NOT loading station environment,
I really wont ever do any socializing with my mining alts... seriously!

Im waiting impatiently for further relases, EVE needs some breeze of fresh air,
even if its just a stations AC :)

Thumbs up for Incarna, just work on it.

Miranda Elantra
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:05:00 - [583]
 

Originally by: Mechanoid Kryten
If the aurum store doesn't have anything that is like the old minmatar robot suit kryten was born with it doesn't concern me.. but I welcome the isk sink for that incusion free isk.



I'm not quite sure you get how money sinks work. The aurum store doesn't remove any isk from the economy, it only removes plexes. When I buy a plex with real $$, I get an in-game item that I then sell for in-game isk. That isk moves from the buyer's wallet to my wallet - it doesn't leave the system. An example of a sink is the LP store, where you have to pay LP + isk + items to NPCs. The isk leaves the economy because NPCs don't buy anything with it.

If anything, this change will make the inflation problem WORSE because there are fewer goods (fewer plexes) but the same amount of currency in the system.

Sunbird Huy
Caldari
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:10:00 - [584]
 

Originally by: Temuken Radzu
Quit whining you bunch of morons...


I only see one here. Y.O.U.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:11:00 - [585]
 

Originally by: Temuken Radzu
Quit whining you bunch of morons... For Years you have asked for walking in stations, now it is finaly there and the only thing you can complain about is that you miss the ship spinning and the little lag and the fact you can only walk in one room... Have some faith, CCP isnt blind you know. It is just the very beginning of Incarna... we will get more and it will get better.

JUST STOP WHINING AND HAVE SOME PATIENCE!!!!


never asked for WIS. i play a space ship game to be in space. not to have this pile of crap.
not only have the managed to break many peopels gaming experiance by making the client suck way to many resorces(im at 0.89gb ram used by 1 client looking at a wall with that QC crap turned off). they ahve managed to mess up the simplest things again. copy paste in channels, again. drop down boxes for peopels names in contracts not going away. and tahts just me picking a couple of thinsg that ahve ****ed me off today.

ive had patience with ccp for 6 years, run 8 clients and tbh ive lost all of every bit of patience ive had with them. the moment they make the turn off station environment button go away, i will to. and ill be dam sure to drag as many of the players in my 160man corp with me.
**** ccp **** incarna and **** this bull**** there inflicting on us

Morist Intheli
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:15:00 - [586]
 

Edited by: Morist Intheli on 22/06/2011 16:21:13
Major bug!
I depress my left mouse key and drag my mouse around, and nothing happens. My ship doesn't spin! Actually my ship doesn't even display anymore, there's just a grimy door. But the door doesn't spin either!

Seriously, I don't know what to do when I log in anymore. Hope to see this bug get a quick patch.

Oh yeah, good job on server stability. And seconding how bad turret icons look next to your target. VERY grainy and low res/fuzzy/whatever.

Jonny Copper
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:16:00 - [587]
 

Manged to login on the mac client. But cant right click on anything. very laggy too. :(

Danalee
Minmatar
Allmost Clueless
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:20:00 - [588]
 

Liking the expansion... Not really LOVING IT but it looks nice and the performance isn't as bad as some people would have you believe.

I am a bit dissapointed with the micro transactions with macro prices. I also feel I won't be using my quarters once the novelty wears of, but it's a step towards yet another cool aspect of the total package EVE Online has become over the last years and therefore I'm giving it the benifit of the doubt.

Sure, other things need fixing, but don't they always? In every game for that matter. Take a chill pill and enjoy the ride to the unreachable goal.


Fly safe

D.

tikktokk tokkzikk
Switchblade Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:22:00 - [589]
 

I dont have shade 3 on my comp so thx to CQ I cant even log in! Crying or Very sad

Yay for uselessness ruining my game!

But luckily for ₱ I had planed to get a new comp for quite a while so I wont ragequit (just yet)!

also MT is OK as long as they keep it vanity items only (the moment they release usefull items in Nex I'll find the hidden away un-sub button)

BUT PLEASE! UNTIL I GET A NEW COMP IS THERE A WAY I CAN UPDATE MY SKILLS?!

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:24:00 - [590]
 

Originally by: john roe

take a walk, mate...


I am... in station. :) That's why they call it Walking In Station. And I'm loving it!

Raz Xym
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:25:00 - [591]
 

This is an absolute joke. 500+ mb for a new UI that made no differences. 700+ mb for the ability to walk around a small room very slowly (and badly I might add.) In 1 week how many will have turned it off in their settings?

Seriously, Eve used to be the best at what it did, this just makes you guys look like fools.

Start spending time on making Eve better. I am starting to think you just put this CQ/Incarna thing in so you can hopefully get bigger fools to buy outrageously priced vanity items. Anyone else envision greedy fat little piggies running the shop.

They will lower the prices to make it seem they are listening to their users. But they planned this from the start. Start with absurdly outrageously high amounts then trim it back 10% hoping we will think they are nice guys.

All good things must come to an end. I love Eve, best game out there. But we need CCP to be true to Eve. Incarna is a joke. Don't let this be the start of your demise.

bluewolf297
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:32:00 - [592]
 

dear ccp, there is one simple solution to this! everyone complains about cq being laggy and useless. i for one do like it as a way to kick back and manage my corp if i dont want to be in space while doing it! however i DO NOT want to enter cq EVERY time i dock! the simple solution is this.

-you dock and are greeted by the old "ship spinning" interface
-you can (if you want to) click a "exit pod" button
-exiting pod places you in cq, where you can either return to the pod, or hit undock directly from there...


this would fix SO MANY COMPLAINTS, yet it isnt being done? please ccp just fix this T-T


as a side comment, i think that the prices of the noble exchange are rediculous atm, and if/when corp logo on ships is available i hope it is cheap! i plan to brand all my corp ships that i loan out to members with our logo, but if im paying 20+ dollars per ship to do this, it simply is rediculous!


anyways thats my thoughts and i hope everyone agrees...


p.s. take out the new currency, pay with isk, not broken plexes. seeing the other currency causes you to feel that you dont have the full game, but instead are missing out on features. if this continues to be the case, many people will leave, feeling that they are being milked for cash now. this game will end up among the ranks of combat arms and adventure quest, along with all the other games simply made for cash instead of enjoyment.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:33:00 - [593]
 

Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
I dont have shade 3 on my comp so thx to CQ I cant even log in! Crying or Very sad

Yay for uselessness ruining my game!

But luckily for ₱ I had planed to get a new comp for quite a while so I wont ragequit (just yet)!

also MT is OK as long as they keep it vanity items only (the moment they release usefull items in Nex I'll find the hidden away un-sub button)


See, this is the whine that tires me so much. What? You didn't see this coming? They didn't tell you about needing a gfx card that supports Shader model 3 or higher, like, what, a year ago already?

Quote:
BUT PLEASE! UNTIL I GET A NEW COMP IS THERE A WAY I CAN UPDATE MY SKILLS?!

What's a new corp got to do with being able to log in?! What you need is a new computer first. Worry about a new corp later.

Khor Nabonid
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:36:00 - [594]
 

Edited by: Khor Nabonid on 22/06/2011 19:01:01
Hello.

First, good work CCP Team! I think there is a lot of work in it.

The new model of the Maller is very good. Looks more like the SciFi of our time. The preview picture of the Maller and his Tech-II variant should be changed. There is still the old one. It would be great if many of the older ship models will be revised in the future as already the Maller or the strategic cruisers. These are the best looking ships in the game, in my opinion. Please revise the other older ship models too.

But I think the ships hangar is no more up-to-date. I do not know what you are planing for the future, but it would be more "realistic" to have a decent technical dock for your ship instead of a useless big hangar. Only a dock with your ship in it and a decent interface to the ship and station services. Now the ship looks a little bit like a spinning oversized foreign body over your head without conection to the station.

About the Captain's Quaters: I think all necessary information and accesses can be displayed in a decent station and ship interface. You do not need a room like in The Sims for that, with little icons to click on, a mirror and a couch.

The turret animation is pretty cool and a lot more "realistic" as only on the hull mounted weapons.

Please work on the warp drive. It is very pale. Even more without the tunnel effect. Something like the FTL drive or hyperdrive from Stargate would be very cool. And some effects when you come out of the jump or go in.

Is it realy necessary that the mining laser und the strip miner etc. has no sound except when it starts a new cicle? It should have some permanent sound effect.

A missle launcher-, drone launcher-, salvager-, energy vampire- etc etc. -model is still missing!

Carmen Estacado
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:46:00 - [595]
 

Edited by: Carmen Estacado on 22/06/2011 17:05:56
Edited by: Carmen Estacado on 22/06/2011 16:55:34
Some feedback after having spent about an hour trying out the new features:

1) Walking by mouse-clicking is buggy (it seems to be a gamble if clicking on the floor will make my character move to the spot or not) and doesn't work as expected: when I see the UI offering me "sit" I expect my character to sit down or move closer and then sit down. I also can't see why it shows me "stand" when I'm already standing.

2) The shadowing on the character's face looks weird... not like a shadow but like someone threw some black dirt into the face (8800 GT, current drivers, medium interior settings).

3) In light of the upcoming walking-in-stations not having all available services, especially those you only need comparatively infrequently (insurance, clones) makes sense. However, not having an intercom to talk to my agents is disappointing. One should be able to use the big main screen to place a video call to the agents within the station (and perhaps even to those in the people & places list).

4) One should be able to configure the old station services window to act similar to the neocom. That is, not minimize like a regular window but slide towards the right and out of sight (autohide).

5) No running in the captain's quarters?

6) Are you cheating with the placement of the ships? On the one hand they do give a better sense of scale than the old hangar did, but at the same time a Charon looks like it's only 3x bigger than a Retribution (probably because you place the Charon further away?). Unfortunately I don't have a positive suggestion on how to fix that.

7) On the same note: I don't quite get why the ship is floating around. Shouldn't it be docked somewhere?

8) "Micro-transaction" seems to be quite some euphemism. Virtual goods at the price of actual real life goods? Don't try to copy WoW by playing on people's stupidity and have them pay 20 Euros for a single SQL query. You'll probably see more people using the store if the items aren't in a range where you need to think thrice if you can actually afford to buy it.

In my opinion 5 Euros is about the the absolute maximum a single piece of vanity clothing should cost. Or in other words: A plex should give you a full set of stock quality clothes or 2-3 pieces of designer clothes or one really rare collectors item.

Also, the conversion rate and pricing should try to actually line up. Having to convert 2 Plex just because an item costs 100 aurum more than what you get for one is unacceptable in my opinion.

9) Who designed the NeX logo and store front? It looks cheap and ugly as if being thrown together within 20 seconds using the office Wordart tool.

Please note that in spite of the above criticism I do like what you're intending to do with WIS and am looking forward for more.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:49:00 - [596]
 

Originally by: Alvia Siv
And the bulkhead 2D JPG is more immersive?
*facepalm*

No, that's just CCP giving in a bit to people who want the option. But it was pretty clear -- to me, at least -- that CCP would never allow two concurrent 'live' variations of the same station hangar to exist. The static image is just a stopgap measure, to linger on for a while longer, until people have upgraded their hardware. Consider it a grace-period, for it will be removed eventually. They've said so repeatedly.

And don't get me wrong: I even liked the old spinning hangar. :) Having both that and CQ at the same time, though, that's just silly, immersion wise: you simply can't have 2 complete different rooms exist in the same space.

N.B. Perhaps a redesign of the spinning hangar would have been an option; you know, from the perspective of behind-and-slightly-above the ship, as it were, so that it's still the same Incarna space/design, but from a simplified angle (sans the actual CQ, which you would just be able to look at from afar). They didn't choose for that, though.

Danil Slaytor
Posted - 2011.06.22 17:03:00 - [597]
 

Having read most of the posts so far i dont know if i'v'e missed something? First off my major gripe is that SM 3 has meant i cannot use my Vaio laptop - "outdated graphics card". Having updated my desktop,(quad core 6600/4gb ram/radeon 3800 etc)i seem to be able to run the CQ bit ok. The point i am eventually getting to is regarding the spinning ship view. I walk out of the room (using WASD to move and mouse to spin view) onto a gantry where i can see my ship, spinning slowly...Confused The ship hologram in the CQ seems to be ok for opening up fitting etc. I look a bag of **** in real lifeWink, so wont be trying any virtual fashion items.ugh

tikktokk tokkzikk
Switchblade Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.22 17:06:00 - [598]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: tikktokk tokkzikk
I dont have shade 3 on my comp so thx to CQ I cant even log in! Crying or Very sad

Yay for uselessness ruining my game!

But luckily for ₱ I had planed to get a new comp for quite a while so I wont ragequit (just yet)!

also MT is OK as long as they keep it vanity items only (the moment they release usefull items in Nex I'll find the hidden away un-sub button)


See, this is the whine that tires me so much. What? You didn't see this coming? They didn't tell you about needing a gfx card that supports Shader model 3 or higher, like, what, a year ago already?

Quote:
BUT PLEASE! UNTIL I GET A NEW COMP IS THERE A WAY I CAN UPDATE MY SKILLS?!

What's a new corp got to do with being able to log in?! What you need is a new computer first. Worry about a new corp later.


comp as in computer.

they might have said so but really... CQ and stuff like that should be optional so I can play on my computer from the middle age.

Kai Ko
Posted - 2011.06.22 17:07:00 - [599]
 

This is now getting silly, like many others I have reported that I can't login as the client will not allow me to type my password into the field.

Does anyone know when this bug will be fixed??

Evanova Android
Posted - 2011.06.22 17:09:00 - [600]
 

Originally by: Jess Ica

- Add an option to turn to old station view pls as this sucks without it.



Yes, do this please. The new view is a waste of dev and game time. It doesn't provide the 'immersion' CCP thought it does, and adds no value to the gameplay. It's not even shiny, it's too dark in there. And bloody noisy.


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