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Nikki Sanderson
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:53:00 - [331]
 

Edited by: Nikki Sanderson on 22/06/2011 08:55:02
Pretty much everything about Incarna has been said multiple times already and not just in this thread. I've looked at it and stumbled around for maybe 5 minutes, and then you're like "that's it"? This is just not worth burning out your GPU over, way hotter GPU means shorter lifetime for my hardware, no thanks, especially since GPU temp doesn't go down when you minimize the client and/or strip away detail levels.

All sense of scale for your ships is gone. It's a horrible, terrible idea to place frigates nearer to the balcony to make them as big as battleships. Terrible, horrible, immersion-breaking, steaming pile of bad. Remove that "zoom" ASAP. The balcony view gives you a real chance to show off the scale of battleship vs. shuttle and CCP just ignores the possibilities.

AUR prices are ridiculous.

Turrets are nice, we will get used to the new icons, no biggie.

kala Alar
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:57:00 - [332]
 

lol .. just looked at the AUR prices. are you serious ?


-

"hey dude, wanna go on some missions?"
"no i cant, my tengu was suicide ganked yesterday"
"well, just buy a new one ?!"
"i cant"
"why ?"
"bought a jacket"
"oh rly ? this must be one AWESOME jacket! nice choice!"

Sangard
Firebrands
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:58:00 - [333]
 

Edited by: Sangard on 22/06/2011 09:07:45
Hello CCP,

the only thing that really shocked me was your pricing for new clothes.

Did you copy a facebook app like farmvile? I'll never pay 50+ € for a virtual clothing as long as my brain works. But the bad thing is, there are enough nerds who will and you get your money CCP. It's ok, you are a company that wanna earn as much as possible. But look at the long term goal and you'll loose many customers and your good reputation.

Check eve onlines rating at mmorpg.com or other sites like that in a couple of weeks ...

Again! I can't believe those insane REAL MONEY prices for alternative clothes. You acting like all the scammers and criminals in eve. When something new comes out, evereybody of them wanna make as much money as they can just by overpricing the new stuff! And now you do the same. Thats just sad.

But you know what happens to those people? They get blocked and nobody thrusts them anymore!

regards, Sangard

Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:58:00 - [334]
 

mi·cro
[mahy-kroh] adjective, noun, plural -cros.
–adjective
1.
extremely small.
2.
minute in scope or capability.
3.
of or pertaining to microcomputers.
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–noun
5.
anything extremely small in scope or capability.
6.
a microcomputer.
7.
microeconomics.

Origin:
independent use of micro-, or shortening of words with this initial element

micro-

a combining form with the meanings “small” (microcosm; microgamete), “very small in comparison with others of its kind” (microcassette; microlith), “too small to be seen by the unaided eye” (microfossil; microorganism), “dealing with extremely minute organisms, organic structures, or quantities of a substance” (microdissection; microscope), “localized, restricted in scope or area” (microburst; microhabitat), “(of a discipline) focusing on a restricted area” (microeconomics), “containing or dealing with texts that require enlargement to be read” (microfilm; microreader), “one millionth” (microgram).
Also, especially before a vowel, micr-.

Origin:
< Greek: combining form representing mīkrós small

—Can be confused: macro-, micro-.

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:59:00 - [335]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2011 01:20:32

ISSUE BROUGHT FORTH A FEW WEEKS AGO.

The CQ environment (still) runs worse than 3 times slower compared to the old hangar view.

Even people with NEWER graphics cards will "suffer" from video card overheating due to nearly three times the workload being required (compared to the old hangar view).




The first step seems to have been taken - we have the option to NOT load the CQ environment.
What it does is keep displaying the "Loading" screen on the background without ever actually loading anything.
This is a decent fallback for the people with less than stellar performance machines which would be overwhelmed by the extreme graphics of the CQ, but it's a very poor compromise for people that actually wanted to run the CQ environment every now and then.

BUT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE ONLY TEMPORARY !!! WTF ?!? BLOG linkage

A much better fallback however would be the option to maintain the current hangar view alongside the CQ environment.
Sure, start off new players inside the CQ if you want, make the option to load the old hangar instead of CQ hard to accidentally find in the menu if you want, but allow the option to remain.
It even makes far more RP sense - the boarding of a pod and subsequent exit from it is supposed to be a relatively slow process, and you're not supposed to look exactly tidy (all covered in pod goo and naked) the moment you get out of a pod, so getting out of it every time you dock makes very little sense.
Keeping the current station environment alongside CQ should not be such a big deal (I mean, how hard it can be NOT to delete something), and it would go a long way towards appeasing some people that don't even know yet that they'll be annoyed by its absence (let's face it, not everybody knows what's coming, and you can fully expect a horde of angry people coming to the forums for the first time to complain).

But let's say that for some reason, you can't keep the old hangar environments, no matter what reason.
The current compromise only allows us to select between CQ at same graphics detail as the rest of the game, or no CQ at all (just a blank screen with the neocom on it, from what I understand).
The problem that should be obvious with that is the fact even the lowest detail level CQ has a noticeably worse framerate compared to the highest detail level current hangar or space environment.
CQ and space need to have two completely separate sets of graphics options, and a much lower graphics detail option than the ones available now needs to be present. Ideally, you should be able to set it in such a way that inside CQ you can get roughly the same FPS as you can get while flying in space.
Granted, some parts of CQ would look like crap under those conditions and at the current development level (heck, some parts look bad even on highest everything right now), but that's a different story.


So, to recap, if CCP insists, well, ok, keep the CQ environment as the default enabled option, but:

* MANDATORY - separate the CQ from the non-CQ graphics detail settings into two completely separate groups which you can set differently

* MANDATORY - keep the ESC menu option to not load any environment at all


* STRONGLY PREFERRED - add some even lower graphics detail levels for CQ

* OPTIONAL BUT HIGHLY DESIRABLE - do not delete the current hangar environments AND make them an alternative (default disabled) via the ESC menu



Hell, ideally entering CQ would be a station service button in the old hangar view !



This. CQ is nice but it fries my 2 year old machine. I can't afford a new rig. If we are forced to eat CQ, make it possible to run it without frying my machine. Space runs fine with all settings maxed out.

Salacious Dube
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:59:00 - [336]
 

update has screwed my game.......cant apply patches or fix, dont know where full client is to download, just no help and the most difficult experience with a game i have ever had.......except for when i had a PC

Sofia Kyodai
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.22 08:59:00 - [337]
 

well if i wanted to walk around i would not play a spaceship game

and 4x plex for a gold looking glass is crazy
if you had plex for remap or plex for sp then there would be no plex in the market and then ccp would make lots of $$$$

please fix old problems before any new stuff like handbags or high heels
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Kern Hotha
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:02:00 - [338]
 

Feedback: The station environment is worthless fluff, and it stresses our computers without adding anything worthwhile. The time and resources spent on the Captain's Quarters were wasted and should have been spent on making the game of Eve better.

Syrte
Gallente
Lyonesse.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:05:00 - [339]
 

Seems most of you are more lucky then I am. After installing this patch on my pc (which ran 4 characters simultaneously 3 days ago) the only thing I get is a classic BSOD.Evil or Very Mad

Jherdan Berral
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 - [340]
 

I like the idea of the CQ, I don't mind the nex shop. Overall I'm pleased with the changes, but there are two big issues for me, and they have been mentioned and gone over time and time again but I want to add my voice to it.

1. The hangar is where I spend a lot of idle time. I haven't looked at a hardware monitor yet, but when I'm in my CQ my fans spin up like crazy. I don't want that running in the background, it can't be good for my hardware. PLEASE let us keep the option not to render the station for when we're idling around. It's insane that you would even consider taking it out.

2. Nex prices. I laughed out loud when I saw those. I thought the station marketplace in EQ2 was bad charging ten bucks for an entire outfit for one character, but this... this just... I can't even form the words. I'm the type that might actually buy something there from time to time, but never... not in a million years... with those prices.

Pinkfluff
Lone Wolf Supply Co.
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 - [341]
 

I do like the ability to have an actual character instead of just a portrait now, but it is not quite the same as in the character creator, and character movement seems a bit clunky. Honestly it is easier to control my Guild Wars character. Yes the graphics are much better here, but that is all the more reason to expect the behavior to be too.

I must say that it seems the devs went insane with this new currency and vanity item store too. I saw only a few items, and all of them were outrageously priced. Like others have said, real clothes are cheaper than these. The way the real world economy has been lately only the rich will be able to afford these things, and many of them probably wouldn't want to spend so much on something they'll only see a small part of the time anyway.

Originally by: kala Alar
Pod-Pilots feel uncomfortable outside their pods, so why dont you give us back the old hangar view and an option like "Enter Station".
That would fit much better in the Atmosphere of eve and the fact that we are pod-pilots!


This is actually a good idea, since often a pilot may not want to go to all the effort of getting out and back into the pod just to rearm or repair. The current system does increase loading time, and my PC is not even a year old. It is not so much that I really mind it, but that may change after many docks.

Mey Xing
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:09:00 - [342]
 

Very nice, but I expected abit more to be honest, for one... it seems your CQ looks the same doesnt matter wich station you are in. I wouldve expected that each station type (gallente, caldari, ammar etc) would have their own unique look of the CQ.

Also, abit dissapointed at the limited amount of items for sale through Noble Exchange. I hope more items will be available soon.

PS! The turrets look awsome Very Happy

Marius Jacobs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:14:00 - [343]
 

Wow guys...this is awesome. I haven't undocked even...just been walking checking things out. But so far this is awesome. I can't customize my character though...EVE keeps crashing...but im sure you guys are working on it.

This is amazing! Luv it!!!! Thanks a Billion!! Very Happy

Mike Whiite
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:14:00 - [344]
 

Edited by: Mike Whiite on 22/06/2011 09:15:26
Got a fast look last night.

I like it, very strange I don't seem to suffer from a fried computer. loading time is a little more, but that's all, can't wait when the door to the station opens.

only down in my opinion is the prices in store.


Ravior Letam
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:17:00 - [345]
 

Edited by: Ravior Letam on 22/06/2011 09:22:46
I kinda like it.
It doesnt really adds new stuff besides the grafical updates and the Agent finder, but I like it, as I expect to be able to share my captain's quarters with my friends in a while. I hope that Chars actually look at each other and are able to interact with each other as well. I would love that :)

Feature request: I think the player should be able to move the camera just like in space around its Character (both mouse buttons pressed), since I would like to look at me and others without having my char in the way. And yes, the camera displacement from the char is no replacement for that.

Feature: Being able to run. Of course, when you're not connected to a computer with your brain, you actually need to go somewhere to push the buttons you want to be pushed. But real people go faster sometimes, if they dont want to spend to much time just to get something to eat f.e.

Feature: Laying on bed. I would like to do that before I log out and see my character wwaking up wafter logging in. Wouldn't that be cool? Also, my Character should move more when Idle. For example, when sitting on the Couch, the Character could lay down on it after a while, or just make himself more comfortable.

So far, ok overall. But I want my Gallente Captains Quarter :) And I wait for interaction with others, since this is the real goal of Incarna: Love :)


Demy Slade
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:17:00 - [346]
 

While i apreciate the funny animated immerson in the CQ. I do not apreciate to by now have crashed 5 times WITH BLUESCREEN. just for opening the f***ed up char edior.
So aurum prices couldn't interesst me less i'd rather would apreciate that you fix the graphic load cause not everyone is willing to upgrade a rig to high end specs to play a game he P A Y S for.

4linn
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 - [347]
 

My Items and ships needed a long time to load after using a jump clone
and my clothe options are back to standart too but it looks great,
the agent finder is very usefull, the new aura trashtalk welcome pages are nice and helpful, the new turret animation looking great.

I like it 1+

Im waiting for lunchers :)

FellRaven
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:19:00 - [348]
 

Originally by: Hoshi
Please return the ability to switch ships by dragging them from the hangar to the main view.


1. This!!!!!
2. Return old hanger view as an option.
3. If you are going to us CQ remember were you last were.


lealenia Aivoras
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:23:00 - [349]
 

Originally by: Skyreth

blah blah

I have an idea...stop being a bunch of f&%king children and grow up. Now I know this update has screwed with a lot of peoples EVE playing, but its not the 90s anymore, its freaking 2011. No matter what CCP does, you lot will nag and complain anyways. I run 2 games at the same time with both in station (yes, on one computer). All I'm running is an AMD Athlon 6000+ dual core 3.0ghz CPU, 4GB RAM (Using a 64bit OS), 1.5TB HDD space and an Nvidia GTX 9800+ (1GB) graphics card...with a 256kbs internet connection. No problems, blown a few ships up today and lost just as many, hasn't impacted my pewpew in any way.

I enjoy walking around in the station, a change from station spinning. And sitting down playing the market, getting names of bounties, keeping up to date with sov changes and getting names of new pilots to recruit has made waiting for my GCC to cool down a LOT more enjoyable. Only problem I see is the massive expense behind the clothing items.

For all those complaining, grow up, get with the times and get a damn life.

CCP, step in the right direction. Thank for you the FREE expansion and for bring EVE that step closer to being a full scifi reality for us to enjoy (and thanks for all the hard work too).



blah blah .


Sounds like my sister

There is a game called sims for girls. You may enjoy it more if you like walkin around , clothing stuff.


LJB
Dissonance Corp
BLACK-MARK
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:28:00 - [350]
 

TBH

My Evaluation is this has been a total waste of time and developer resources, if I wanted to play walking in broom cupboards I would have chosen another mmo, not sure what I was expecting but this has been over hyped and under developed, turrent animations have been only thing of real consequence, the actual icons on your HUD looks like something out of a comic book that's been scribbled.

Will I use walking in broom cupboard in it's current form ? Nope, not when cot and alliance shops are developed then maybe just maybe, but this expansion has been the inti climax of my eve history of 4 years.

LJB

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:29:00 - [351]
 

This expansion is a colossal disappointment, and I'm very sad that you've spent so long working on something that so dramatically detracts from my core gameplay of Spaceships and PVP. What's worse is that it seems to have been released in this state solely so that you have an excuse to gouge every last dime you can out of your player base. I'm sorry, CCP. I ...... just can't do this. I've cancelled 2 subscriptions and transported most of my goods out of my WH in preparation for closing down the remaining accounts should the quality of my gameplay significantly drop.

Please start caring about in space gameplay and content again.... because you very obviously don't anymore.

doobey
Minmatar
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:30:00 - [352]
 

love it. comp runs it just fine in windowed mode. If i had a complaint, it would be the loaded ship in the hanger. Would like the ability to have better camera angles to look at it properly, or am i missing something?

overall, great job.

Joe450
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:31:00 - [353]
 



I like the update, few probs i have had i don't really think worth saying but i would like it IF you had choice to get out your ship.. takes ages if you just stopping by station to pick something up and leaving

Dervol
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:33:00 - [354]
 

I'm really happy that CCP has finally changed to gradually rollout add-ons with incursion and continue on this
path for incarna. So, I'm quite happy with the first step. The CQ has a great potential (that will hopefully be
used) and makes docking, when you're not in a hurry, very restful and nice, especially the main screen.
So, I'm really looking forward seeing the stations grow piece by piece :) Great job there!

But, I must approve many of my pre-posters that in a combat situation or just for moving from one mission to
another, the new docking mechanism is too slow... a capsuleer should decide when to leave his pod, as
he is basically disgusted by the outer world anyways, setting foot on it as rare as possible.

I really appreciate the new turret animations, even though we Minmatar surely didn't get the coolest ones, but
it's okay as we have the most patched ships anyways :D
Still, I must admit that the new weapon icons are too unclear.

In terms of performance, I'm really surprised about all the comments as there hasn't been any changes for me
at all. On the contrary, the fluidity of the game has improved, client starts faster, logging into station as
well, even on two simultaneous clients. I'm running a Intel Core Duo Quad with 2.7 GHz each, 4GB RAM and GeForce
gtx 275 512MB that hasn't exceeded 57°C with both clients running on max graphics.

The only thing I really can't live with is the NeX with its ridiculous prices for mostly worthless things...
I'm only interested in one piece, the ocular implant (I don't know whether its available outside of Minmatar stations), but I'm surely not going to spend 60 Euros or 4 months of subscription for it!

Skyreth
Revelation of Wrath
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:34:00 - [355]
 

Originally by: lealenia Aivoras


Sounds like my sister

There is a game called sims for girls. You may enjoy it more if you like walkin around , clothing stuff.




I said it gives me something to do other than station spin while waiting for GCC, I dont bother with the clothing crap (whats the point). The fact that you can sit on the couch ingame and do the stuff I noted while waiting is good. The news feed is a handy thing to watch while you're playing the market due to the information it gives you about bounties, new pilots, market details, incursions and sov changes. I don't think I mentioned anything else other than the Aur prices being a joke.

I know your ability to comprehend is lacking (as is evident by your post), but if you can't grasp the basic concepts of a post...please refrain from posting.

That all being said, if your sister puts up with you on a daily basis, I have a lot of respect for her YARRRR!!

Slappy McPewpew
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:34:00 - [356]
 

Edited by: Slappy McPewpew on 22/06/2011 09:37:32
Originally by: Liang Nuren
This expansion is a colossal disappointment, and I'm very sad that you've spent so long working on something that so dramatically detracts from my core gameplay of Spaceships and PVP. What's worse is that it seems to have been released in this state solely so that you have an excuse to gouge every last dime you can out of your player base. I'm sorry, CCP. I ...... just can't do this. I've cancelled 2 subscriptions and transported most of my goods out of my WH in preparation for closing down the remaining accounts should the quality of my gameplay significantly drop.

Please start caring about in space gameplay and content again.... because you very obviously don't anymore.



Bye and if your going to MOAN that much enjoy WoW LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

As for Eve players this is only the base, we all know bug and things need to be moved about like that clothes market being more expensive than RL shops ha-ha. The idea SIM's, well yeah but if you don't like SIM's do what i do.... Don't stay docked "simple's"

Lovebot
N00BS R US
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:35:00 - [357]
 

There is Bug with the Noble Exchange Market.

After you buy some stuff, there is no field to enter
the delivery adress :(
At those Prices, this items must be RL Items, right?
So, i await them to be delivered to my house.

Please fix the order form, so General Parcel can deliver
if i order some Glass eye or skirt, thx :)

Joahna Gramer
Gallente
Risosu no kyoryoku
Confederate Economic Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 - [358]
 

Honest answer:

I'm playing since 2006 and this is one of the worst patches until now.
The Captains Quarter may look nice on the first look but add no real content or functionality, instead they are a massive waste of ressources. I'm pretty thankful that you added the button to turn it off.
To show the difference: pre-patch i was able to run 2 clients with pretty much high settings. After the patch i had to turn down everything to low-medium just to have 2 characters docked. In space everything runs smooth, maybe even smoother than pre patch. The problem is only you have to turn everything down to be able to make use of the game while dock whereas the game in space runs perfectly fine and you have to play with crappy graphics just for the sake of the captains quarters. My conclusion: Turn CQ of as it doesn't add anything of need, get a massive performance gain while in space and don't bother anymore with it. Tho it would be nice to add the old animation for people who don't mind CQ or want to play with more than one Client.


PS: I find it kind of amusing that in a spacegame the limiting factor to play it is a single room.


Aldrad
Caldari
Eve Heroes
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 - [359]
 

Edited by: Aldrad on 22/06/2011 09:37:24
If the "load station environment" option remains optional, then me and my alts will have no problem. Very Happy

"PS: I find it kind of amusing that in a spacegame the limiting factor to play it is a single room. "

word.

Pierre Blanchard
Posted - 2011.06.22 09:36:00 - [360]
 

Edited by: Pierre Blanchard on 22/06/2011 09:48:32
Edited by: Pierre Blanchard on 22/06/2011 09:44:34
Although I do agree with what a lot of people are saying concerning performance and graphic/lighting quality, I think it's a step forward, no matter how small. An idea I had regarding people wanting their old station environment back...why not load the old environment when you dock up and be given the option to exit the ship/pod and go to your CQ, simply making it an option.

PS If I can sit on the couch, then why can't I lie down on my bed?

I also just now noticed something strange regarding the camera zoom in the hangar area...while zooming in, the background appears to zoom in the same amount as the foreground. Just something that bothers me.



Although I must admit that walking out of my room to see my Nightmare is pretty cool Wink


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