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Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:26:00 - [1]
 

From the patch notes:

"NPCs will now correctly aggress a decloaking ship"



Anyone have any idea what this means, exactly?

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:36:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 21/06/2011 14:38:54
Originally by: Noran Ferah
From the patch notes:

"NPCs will now correctly aggress a decloaking ship"



Anyone have any idea what this means, exactly?


Good question. I would guess that if you enter a site you're to be immediately aggressed? If that is the case then yes, ninja salvaging is dead unless you want to do it in a pimped out mission runner.

Otherwise, I've no idea what they mean. When you decloak in a mission site, generally, aggression stays with the initially aggressed missioner. So, my only guess is that aggression will switch to whom ever enters/decloaks in the site.

Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:41:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd

Good question. I would guess that if you enter a site you're to be immediately aggressed? If that is the case then yes, ninja salvaging is dead unless you want to do it in a pimped out mission runner.



I think that would require a change to the NPC mission AI, which may be indicated by that line in the patch notes, but hell who knows?


It would be a nice change, as Ninja salvagers for the most part are ****y little bastards that could use some agro to make them cautious and not take everything for granted.

Dryfty
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:45:00 - [4]
 

Have no fear, this will not affect ninja salvaging.

If you're using a cloak to ninja, you're doing it wrong.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 21/06/2011 14:55:50
Quote:

It would be a nice change, as Ninja salvagers for the most part are ****y little bastards that could use some agro to make them cautious and not take everything for granted.


Being a former ninja looter, I rarely had a missioner take advantage of the aggro that I gave him. In the 2 instances in a 8 months long, very profitable period for me, one guy shot at me, missed, I came back and killed him. The other instance was an entire corp playing grab ass trying to catch me, which they eventually did, but it was extremely fun.

So I think I can say with a certain amount of experience to back it up, is what you missioners need is to grow a pair.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:57:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 21/06/2011 14:57:56


Good..death to all ninjasRazz

And this.


Originally by: Dryfty
Have no fear, this will not affect ninja salvaging.

If you're using a cloak to ninja, you're doing it wrong.

Traffic Warden
Minmatar
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:00:00 - [7]
 

Don't worry. I'll still be there in your missions.

James Kopp
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:01:00 - [8]
 

This is assuming the ninja looters/salvagers come in during the mission and there are NPCs that have not already targetted the mission runner. However, as mentioned above, why would you cloak to ninja? I suspect this is more for NPCs at gates and decloaking in WH sites.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 21/06/2011 14:57:56


Good..death to all ninjasRazz

And this.


Originally by: Dryfty
Have no fear, this will not affect ninja salvaging.

If you're using a cloak to ninja, you're doing it wrong.



Yes, but it begs the question: Does aggro switch when you enter the mission site as well as decloak?

It could be a buff to PVE space other than hisec. I can't speak for losec/nullsec but for w-space, aggro switches from the initial target to someone who decloaks, although it's not immediate. So without further clarification I don't think we will know exactly what that means.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:04:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 21/06/2011 15:07:49
This will affect lvl 5 on stealth bombers, not ninjas.
As mentioned before if you fitting cloak on your ninja-mobile - you doing this wrong and you probably die anyway from npc.
My ninja Vigil flying on ab for about 1600-1800 m/s was able to tank full aggro without any problem. Dont think something changed in 2 years from that moment.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:04:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 21/06/2011 15:05:07
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 21/06/2011 14:57:56


Good..death to all ninjasRazz

And this.


Originally by: Dryfty
Have no fear, this will not affect ninja salvaging.

If you're using a cloak to ninja, you're doing it wrong.



Yes, but it begs the question: Does aggro switch when you enter the mission site as well as decloak?

It could be a buff to PVE space other than hisec. I can't speak for losec/nullsec but for w-space, aggro switches from the initial target to someone who decloaks, although it's not immediate. So without further clarification I don't think we will know exactly what that means.


I think you guys misunderstood that. I think what they meant is that you as the mission runner get aggro correctly when entering the mission. I don't think the npcs will switch more than they already do because of a recent patch.

I think that by entering the mission cloaked it messed with the starting aggro but I could be wrong.

Noran Ferah
Red Sky Morning
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Traffic Warden
Don't worry. I'll still be there in your missions.


I would need to run missions for that to work.


Just as an aside, it seems that lowsec probers might be impacted by this. I have always used a cloaked covops to scan down mission runners outside of high sec space. It would be great if the npc agro would be random though, as it would make everything regarding missions more dynamic and less afk-able.

Big shlong Johnson
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:05:00 - [13]
 

yea some shmucks were exploiting a bug and doing lvl5 mission in stealthbombers while rats ignored em completely..

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:08:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Big shlong Johnson
yea some shmucks were exploiting a bug and doing lvl5 mission in stealthbombers while rats ignored em completely..


Yeah that's what I was thinking.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:09:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Big shlong Johnson
yea some shmucks were exploiting a bug and doing lvl5 mission in stealthbombers while rats ignored em completely..



WAAAAH! I'm a lazy sack of biomass who can't do it myself, it must be an exploit

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:11:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: daddys helper
Originally by: Big shlong Johnson
yea some shmucks were exploiting a bug and doing lvl5 mission in stealthbombers while rats ignored em completely..



WAAAAH! I'm a lazy sack of biomass who can't do it myself, it must be an exploit


Butt hurt shmuck spotted!!Razz

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:12:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Big shlong Johnson
yea some shmucks were exploiting a bug and doing lvl5 mission in stealthbombers while rats ignored em completely..


That must'a been awesomesauce!

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:12:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 21/06/2011 15:18:27
Originally by: Big shlong Johnson
yea some shmucks were exploiting a bug and doing lvl5 mission in stealthbombers while rats ignored em completely..

You have no idea what you talking about.
There was problem with t3 neut sentries - their aggro was random on some mission, so your survival chances was good if that happened. There is still full aggro from all npcs in the pocket, and you still needed to speedtank and kite them, killing the objective triggers.
You still can run solo lvl 5 on SB but now with more risk . Or you can bring dramiel speedtankiing all npc on lvl 5 mission and kill them with SB on second account. Problem solved.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:23:00 - [19]
 

never did it myself, so sorry no butthurt here

but there's plenty of youtube videos about it and one of my corpies did manage to pull off a solo SB lvl V mission.

I could care less actually, I just think its funny how many of you putzes get all bent up over someone spending an insane amount of time soloing a mission


 

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