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Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:30:00 - [31]
 

Best advice imo would be trial by fire; grab a bunch of cheap ships (frigs) and just roam around highsec / lowsec (can flipping in highsec / 1v1s in the main hubs), small gang / solo pvp is best for learning to pilot (large gangs / fleets are more testament to the FC than the individuals, relying on numbers doesn't actually help you get better too quick either). Be ready to take losses.

As for tips as to how to survive, the better you are at piloting and knowing your ships (and theirs) the higher your chances of survival are. A kitsune is a bad place to start if you want to survive though, it will be called primary.

Read pirate / pvper blogs, watch their videos, these provide great inspiration and you'll pick up ideas to try yourself.

Feel free to convo me ingame in the future and I'll happily chat away whilst I do w/e I'm doing.


Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:34:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?

I still end up on the wrong side, but I will never stop trying!Smile
Originally by: Desmond Kesh
b) Any practice tips to survive ?

Try living in lowsec for a while. There are less people, and while it requires more patience, it's easier to get a good fight there.
Originally by: Desmond Kesh
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?

Yes. Get into a Rifter, and start hunting. While only engaging targets you will be able to kill might be boring in such a puny vessel, it will teach you the basics of controlling your ship in battle.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:37:00 - [33]
 

Also, learn about the mystical logoffski drive. Can help your survival chances.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:59:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Shepard Book on 21/06/2011 13:03:34
Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot. I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up. And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



I went to 0.0 within the first few weeks of playing the game. I came here to join some friends I had from another game that asked me to come over. They knew I was a big fan of PvP and said it would be the best PvP game out there since DAOC and Warhammer. They were right. They knew my personality of wanting to get into the thick of things or a support role. They told me interdictors and logistic ships would be good roles for PvP down the road. I focused on interceptors, then interdictors, to logistics and was happy I did.

I also started this game with multiple accounts and consolidated them together once I was able to make isk on some characters and PvP on others. I know this is not an option for some but I wanted to throw that out there.

My advise if you want to be in 0.0 is to work your way towards interceptors (every gang needs tacklers) like you are doing. Focus your training on Engineering, Electronics, weapon systems, and navigation skills at first. Set a goal on the path of interdictor with t2 gear if you want to join a 0.0 corp. Look at the modules you will use and make sure your support skills for those are maxed out or close to it. Every roam in 0.0 needs interdictors and more than one is better because they are primary often.

Once your in a decent Corp that likes to roam or camp around you should see your killboard turning in the right direction. They will be using scouts ect... and it helps quite a bit if your with a decent crew. GL

Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:00:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Peter Powers on 21/06/2011 13:02:23
Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot.


after two month you arent exactly on a point where you can compete with most nullsec players - your survival strategy here should be to be allways arround a few friendly, more experienced players

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

well first, you should be playing, build up your finances and assets, so once you have the skills you can afford the ships aswell.
also the kitsune is a very specialist ships that doesnt make sense in most cases - basically you want to fly something else being as young as you are.


Originally by: Desmond Kesh

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up.


well t1 cruisers arent helpfull in most fleets, but you can allways go for a tackling t2 frigatte - but what you really want is to train up the skills for that 'big bad bs'. when you fly 'em you will find out that losing an insured battleship hurts your wallet less than losing kitsunes in the same value.

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

again in you age, you should probably build up your cash in empire space.
that said, there are a few tricks how you can avoid getting ganked in nullsec, starting by: dont be in belts when hostiles (meaning everything thats not blue or green) in local. when you are in belts be allways aligned to an celestial object, once someone hostile (not green/blue) enters local, warp out, and then get to a safe place (either to a friendly pos, or to a safespot (and cloak up at that safespot).


Originally by: Desmond Kesh
I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

you are the norm for people who do stuff that they shouldnt be doing.

Originally by: Desmond Kesh

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?


about 6 weeks in the game, when i started to hang out with people from a more experienced corp in lowsec - being in a gang of people that know what their doing and following what they said to the letter did the trick.

Originally by: Desmond Kesh

b) Any practice tips to survive ?


read what i wrote before that, lots of hints in there ;)

Originally by: Desmond Kesh

c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?


no you should spend some time to build up your characters assets, to be able to support your pvp adventures.

Originally by: Desmond Kesh

d) Any good stories of your early days?


indeed, i have one.
when i first started venturing to lowsec, pretty much the first day i was hanging out there i got ganked by a pirate in a stabber. i wasnt sure what i did wrong and how he got me, so i wrote a very polite mail (or did i convo him, cant remember) asking him about it and what i did wrong. lucky he was one of the cool guys and gave me some advice.
a few month later i was in a corp that was actually blue to them, and had myself become sort of a pirate.
one day, being confused i jumped with a -10 security status to highsec in an active tanked abaddon.
what followed then is documented in http://www.eve-search.com/thread/562839,
evetv, who did ingame news back then interviewed me about that, and the interview was broadcasted on my 1 year-in-eve-anniversary.
one of the guys who saved my ship in that story was the alt of the pirate who was the first ever to kill me.

enjoy your time in eve, the first steps are hard, but when you get it right you will feel it is very rewarding.

regards,
PP

gdjghjhgjfh
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:02:00 - [36]
 

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?


A- WHYS IT MATTER
B - plenty of areas tell you that
C - umm you can do both at the same time Shocked
D - no, ive got so hold i forget things

Rek Seven
Gallente
Zandathorn Industries
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:08:00 - [37]
 

YOU ARE IN THE WRONG CORP.

Find a good corp that does things other that pvp, and during that time train skills and earn isk.

That's what i did and i only started getting real kills (not unfair blob fights) when i bought i stealth bomber.

I recommend the corp Guy Fawkes Trust Fund.

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:08:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot. I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up. And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



All the answers to your questions are here: Eve University

It's certainly the best way to start Eve with many other newbies so you have some kind of progress contest etc, you can learn from old players learning you how to fly your ships, hos to fit them how to survive in low/null etc

You should really try it. I've started the hard way just like you, and took me a few months to figure out that before one year of training you're very fragile.
I kept loosing stuff and now I'm loosing a little less and killing a lot. I do a lot more pvp than I've ever done before and thx to awesome people (old null pirates)

Just to tell you, try those university's or schools, they have awesome players always ready to help you and to learn you Eve the good way.

Fly safely Wink

Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:14:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Ineka
All the answers to your questions are here: Eve University
EVE University is not a valid answer to anything. It's the lazy man's response to queries someone might have without actually answering the question at hand.

EVE-U certainly give the impression they are for the newbie player, when in fact there are more strings attached to it than to a murder victim.

Even if you happen to be what they're looking for it can be weeks or even months of pointless waiting in limbo, when you can learn a lot more from a smaller corporation that actually give a damn about its members.

Miso Hawnee
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:25:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Miso Hawnee on 21/06/2011 13:28:31
Originally by: Desmond Kesh


Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



a) I was lucky and fell in with a small group of PvPers early on. I began to get a positive k/d ratio by flying an interceptor to support the other guys. (fast enough to GTFO when the tide turns).

b) Give up on Caldari, most of their ships are total ****. Start with a fast agile ship that you can afford to lose 10 times. Practice, practice, practice.

c) for the most part yes. Understanding game mechanics is more important than SP up to a certain point.

d) Some scrub in a Drake was can flipping one of our miner corpies in empire. This went on for an hour or more until he jumped into nullsec where the rest of us were hanging out. I pointed him in my crow and held him until DPS arrived, turns out the guy had T2 purger rigs on the drake, and this was before small / medium rigs existed. 800 Million isk drake down!

Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:27:00 - [41]
 

Dear OP, firstly you're not the norm because you actually have the balls to get out of high security space, props for that.

You speak a lot about survival. But mere survival reflects the mentality of prey. You can make the decision to change that mentality.

It's a spaceship game m8. Instead of survival, focus on ~adventure~
Then go and have one.

Shigeru Potatomoto
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:44:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Is anyone ever not scared in null-sec?

It's a paranoids nightmare.


Not even close. Go somewhere remote, fit a cloak and warp to a safespot if anything not blue comes in and you can have hours of boring, tedious, ratting.


Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:00:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: CCP Guard
I'll leave the advice to the true experts...but I think you're pretty brave to be flying around down there at all after two months. It takes balls of Megacyte to go against the killers out there. You'll be terrorizing others in no time.

YARRRR!!


Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a new meme.

(At least, I haven't seen it before... but it's replacing Duke Nukem's "Balls of steel".)

Dawne Xi
Minmatar
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:18:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock.

You can undock?

Cannonfodder1982
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:39:00 - [45]
 

i want balls of megacyte

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.06.21 16:19:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot. I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up. And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



When I started I flew cheap tackle ships until I was able to fit something better and afford it as well. You'll die a lot, but you're losing cheap crap like a Condor fit with a point, web, and mwd/ab. Even battleship fleets need tackle

Anna Jakugard
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:13:00 - [47]
 

im not much of a pvper but heres is my take

the skills to board a ship and the skills to FLY a ship are 2 diffrent things
if your new to the game i suggest moving to low sec instead of going null strait off

2nd even carebare corp needs fighters .as was said you can mission .
like was said if you cant afford to loose it dont fly in it

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:18:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



A)Still don't, enemy survival for me hovers around 50%. Depends on what's going on, who I'm shooting at. Fleets are good for padding that killboard, unless you run into a bigger fleet. Embarassed
B)Alternate between padding your wallet and looking for kills. Diversify your income streams.
C)You can, but if your still new the only thing you'll learn is that you need more sp. You seem to already know this though.
D)Plenty.

Humongus Bauls
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:23:00 - [49]
 

2 accounts. You cannot play eve with 1 account. Well you can, but nobody does.
:D

Use 1 account to scout gates for the other.
:D

It's the nature of the beast.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:28:00 - [50]
 

cheaper than two accounts is getting a friend to scout ahead.

I have one account, and I greatly enjoy eve.

One reason I love it is that EVERY pvp engagement gets my heart pounding.

best,
AG

Delta Jax
NixCraft
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:40:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Delta Jax on 21/06/2011 18:40:51
I went to 0.0 after playing for 2 weeks, wasn't sure what I was getting into, but I certainly don't regret it.

Accept that you will die a lot.. it happens.. and eventually you will not die as often.. then you will start to win fights.

But I feel your pain being a nub in 0.0.. enjoy the lulz

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=4858727

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:42:00 - [52]
 

1) Stop giving a **** about killmails. They mean nothing unless you fly solo (which you probably don't)
2) Learn when you've lost and flee while you can.
3) Always level skills. Always
4) AFK Herons in CVA space.... such good days...

Aegis Stormborn
UNKN0WN ENTITY
Posted - 2011.06.21 18:51:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

I've lost countless ships in nullsec. I know its the nature of the beast- and I don't let it take control-, but when I see some kill records... 6-19 k/d ratio doesnt seem to hot. I've spent a lot of the past few days of the month not even playing - just lvling skills which still didn't stop the instapop of my kitsune.

Now this is also cramping into my funds too. I get the "Don't fly what you can't afford" but when fleets demand big bad BS's and all I can afford is a cruiser I don't bother showing up. And when I do take my cruiser BC out to rat for cash, well check out my killmails...

I'm not complaining here. I just want a to know if I'm the norm or the rarity in the 'newb to Eve'

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



I don't typically respond to these but as was previously stated, you've got cahones so I'll try and help you out.

First things first. Don't listen to all the people telling you that you need a blob to stay alive. They are clearly terrible at PVP and it seems like you are looking to be good at it. Yes, you are a rarity, most people don't go out to null sec on their own after 2 months. Now, you have a couple things working against you. You are probably very low XP wise and you are flying one of the more technical/difficult ships in the game. It is also made of paper. Kitsunes are GREAT in a small gang of 2-5 but almost worthless by themselves. If you don't have the necessary skills trained high enough you are also going to have very weak jams that don't have the range that you really need to stay alive in a small-no tank ship such as the one you are flying.

I would be scared to fly it in nullsec by myself too, and I have been playing for a while. If you really want to learn how to use it contact me in game and I might be able to help you out.

To answer your questions:

a) When I started to learn how to keep the ship I was flying alive. That sounds obvious but every ship has it's own nuances to being successful and surviving.
b) Too many to list, and I'd really have to see you in practice to tell you precisely. You are going to want to find someone that you can fly with that will teach you as you go. There really is no substitute for experience, so you are going to die even with help, but you will get better if those you are with can tell you what you did to facilitate said death. There are some corps out there such as eve uni that are setup to help new players, you may want to check them out.
c) Leveling skills is important, but make sure you are leveling the ones you really need first.
d) Let's just say it get's better as you go along YARRRR!!


MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:03:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 21/06/2011 19:06:16
Jeeez... kill mails did **** the game up quite badly...

Look. Just stop giving a **** about killmails and start having fun, man. That's all there is to it. Don't let nobody tell you some **** about how you need to have this and do that and you need that many SP and this here T5 ultra-supercap, yadda yadda. You can kill **** in a Kestrel if you do it smartly.

This game is about blowing stuff up. That's it. In order to blow stuff up you need the iskies to get whatever ship to blow up more stuff, and you need friends, and decent enemies. It doesn't matter whose stuff gets blown up, as long as something is getting blown up. So there you have it that's Eve in a nutshell. Stuff goes boom, you had a nice evening and maybe even made a few new friends ingame, mission accomplished.

You want a pro tip? Here it is: Get your ego to stay the f* out of it. It's just a game. So what you undock and die? Guess what's gonna happen then... nothing! It's 0's and 1's on some HDD over in London. F* it. Make your plans, dive in, blow **** up, hopefully survive. You win. Whether you still have your ship afterwards doesn't really matter so long as you have the isk to buy new ****. That's where the "making money" part of Eve comes in. It's fun, too, if you do it right.

Webster Carr
Gallente
The Order of the Oar
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:07:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Is anyone ever not scared in null-sec?

It's a paranoids nightmare.


It's not paranoia, they really are out to get you...

Triple Entendre
Atrocity.
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:19:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Triple Entendre on 21/06/2011 19:22:06
Offer to be a tackler.

Yes, you'll die lots. But frigates are cheap. What's more, everyone will love you forever for being the suicidal bastard to jump in and scram anything that moves. You'll also be killmail whoring if that's your thing from your heroic web, scram and little peashooters while you get the idiots to do the gruntwork for you.

Sure, all these fleets of yours might want Battleships, but when they have to wait about four and a half weeks to get a lock on anything smaller than themselves they'll be complaining there was no fast tackle.

Also, frigs are the most fun you can have, in my opinion.

Alternatively, train for a Falcon and **** in the cornflakes of everyone you run into.

5nake pliskan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:40:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: 5nake pliskan on 21/06/2011 19:41:00
Originally by: Desmond Kesh
To undock. To fly my ships. And especially to jump gates.

Some Questions:
a) When did you guys begin to stay on the other side of killmails?
b) Any practice tips to survive ?
c) Should I take less time lvling skills and simply learn by death?
d) Any good stories of your early days?



A. it don't matter, you win you lose, someone will always have more mails, fewer have impressive mails.
b. don't expect to. keep screwing around null and train your core certs, defense certs, gunnery certs, drone certs, run missions, make isk, JOIN A CORP (just don't contract everything you own to their "hauler guy")
c. no, skills are everything and time is not involved like that, you don't do one or the other, you set a skill and go die, or win or whatever until you need to set another skill, there is no tradeoff
d. before warp to zero? no, none whatsoever :P

death is nothing if you lose nothing, you keep your clone updated to prevent loss of skill and keep your costs low. That crappy rifter will be a much better rifter when you have all the skills to fly it properly so don't chase the available ships, they all use the same supporting skills (more or less) so get the skills up.

also use your time in null to prepare for pvp, set up perches on the gates and stations (200-300km from the gate bookmark) to avoid bubbles, make some insta undocks on stations you frequent (burn straight from undock to 200-300km and bookmark) as well as safes. having options will save you.

use local and dscan and learn who is around the areas you frequent, add them to contacts and set their standing and corp/alliance standing so you can easily identify known threats in local (most everyone, but stick to the local corps)

keep having fun, you seem to be doing fine.
and if you're not a little scared doing anything in eve then you're doing it wrong Laughing

Ori Empress
United Systems of the Allegiance
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:52:00 - [58]
 

I first started living in nullsec my first week playing eve last year, but i've grown to be quite resourceful down here. One thing you don't want to do is to only play this game to change your skill que and log off. By doing so you will never learn how to properly live in null nor how to pvp with higher chances of victory. Also it's important to make friends in your corp/alliance and participate in all ops in at least a rifter, or inty and you'll learn alot that way, like I did.

So get out there and start having fun. Even if you can only fly frigs, tackle is pretty much always needed! Cool




Kiyl
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:59:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Kiyl on 21/06/2011 20:01:16
Edited by: Kiyl on 21/06/2011 20:00:04
Edited by: Kiyl on 21/06/2011 19:59:22
I dont have much advice to give but all I can say is, JUST KEEP TRYING.
EVE is a hard game and a lot of people quit after the trial.

Anyway, do I have any good memories of when I started? Yep..

Navy Mega killed by a corp mate, we were sparring and we both went afk. This happened.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=11756057
NOTE: I was a nub, dont hate on my fit *hides from trolls*

Ded Moroz
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:00:00 - [60]
 

i use a simple rule - when I undock the ship from the station, i consider it blown up, and pretty much remove it from my assets list.

makes it alot easier to not be apprehensive about going about different space adventures, even if probability of death is almost certain.

and best way about going about learning to survive is to die alot, analyze the reasons from death and to not repeat the mistakes.


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