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Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:39:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should)


Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.

Spacejugs
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:40:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: Spacejugs on 21/06/2011 12:41:27
To be honest I don't think CCP are shafting out ATI users. By looking at the games in the list of the link in the OP, most if not all are mainly Nvidia supported games which leads me to believe that it's one of those features that Nvidia cards natively support through the hardware itself and not driver adapted to be supported with ATI users. So CCP disabling it for ATI users would be more benificial in the long run, especially when ATI go into their dodgy driver release modes Laughing

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:44:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should)


Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.


Really, we should. I get SSAO, you don't and I like SSAO so that makes me even more pleased that I do so tell me again why we shouldn't.

Go on.

Seishi Maru
doMAL S.A.
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:46:00 - [64]
 

Let me explain something for the fanboys.. and coming from someone that lives implementing 3D stuff.

ATI/AMD approach always was and it still is. Do not care to follow standards, make each important game be supported specifically in your drivers with workarounds to get best possible performance and qualit.

NVIDIA always was , Follow the damm standard and make something that will work well even if we don't even know that the game exist.

That is why You cannot say that " but that works on my AMD card on game X Y or Z". Because that is irrelevant, ATI drivers are different code path for each important games when t heir standard implementation does not work.


This seems just one more case of the non adherence to standards from ATI makes things fail on games that are not their partners or that they do not care enough to support.

People blaming NVIDIA, this is ATI/AMD fault! Not CCP, not NVIDIA, the one that should be shamed is AMD because of their pathetic and irresponsible approach.

I work making technical image reconstructions, where errors could cause wrong diagnostics and dead people, and would NEVER EVER use an ATI card exactly because its impossible to know what to expect between each time they change their drivers.

karrak
Muchacho's
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:54:00 - [65]
 

Id be really interested in why they are doing this. If they are having problems with ATI for some planned feature perhaps im fine with it.
But if im being punished in the way of poorer graphics by CCP for using a brand they arent getting payd to promote then im seriously going to be effed.

Patches Ohulahann
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:56:00 - [66]
 

OK, iv read this post, checked out the link about SSAO and im a bit confused here. Has SSAO been active in the game up until today? and what will be different about it now they have switched it off for ATI users?

Haramir Haleths
Caldari
Nutella Bande
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:59:00 - [67]
 

Before i bought my AMD Card, 3 NVid Cards blow up in my rack. And i didn't overclock GFX cards. My AMD Card runs smooth and beautiful and very perfomant.

Ineka
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:59:00 - [68]
 

Instead of blaming CCP for working with the best our there in video game cards you should blame yourself for buying everything eyes closed.

Or, you can also ask advices in the dedicated forum thread.

Or you can also buy one card from the best pc video game card manufacturer, and profit of each and every game out there on the market.

Or you can also stop posting and shaft yourself.

Need some help? Laughing

Tobias Sjodin
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:00:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel (as you should)


Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.


Oh, ad hominem-arguments. The last resort of those who can't form a coherent argument to begin with.

AMD are painting themselves into a corner, THEY are the result of the recent trend among software developers to can ATI-support.

Informed customers will naturally buy and use what actually works properly. Instead of buying some less compatible, non-working product.


Captain Aries
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:04:00 - [70]
 

[email protected] AMD users the company doesnt even have a CEO hasnt had one for last 6 months and have been turned down by people they have asked.

Vanguarder
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:05:00 - [71]
 

I find it interesting that all these people are guessing what the issues are yet not one Dev has chimed in. What does Nvid and AMD say about this?

Are the ATI features turned off due to problems with coding and interface with the program?, or is this a case of Nvid cutting some type of deal for CCP to focus on the Green machine?

I an AMD Fanboi. Always have been, why? 'Cause i'm also a cheap scottish-Canadian and I prefer the bang for the buck with AMD. The choice was made based on $$$ vs function. I expect the Nvid and AMD to be slightly different different with the green machine being on top. That said, if CCP is further reducing AMD due solely to a deal. Well, thats wrong, imo.

my two isks

Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:05:00 - [72]
 

Sure are a lot of 'THE WAY ITS MEANT TO BE PLAYED' in here conflating "standard" with a simple bribe.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:12:00 - [73]
 

I own waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many computers.

I also have multiple AMD and nVidia games machines.

Why? Because I don't have the time of day to fart about listening to toss pot fan bois. Just buy both types at the same time, build, run them side by side, give the lame one to the Mrs.

- nVidia games machine runs every fine with the drivers from nVidia
- AMD (ATi is dead, please get with the programme) requires 3rd party drivers to keep up. It's now the wife's computer and for a reason.

Both systems (Intel / AMD) are equivalent. Both systems are current medium spec games machines. I have many older spec machines sitting about for spares and repairs / Linux boxes / for my kids to play with etc etc.

AMD and their video cards were once the right choice.

Today, Intel is eating their lunches.

Tomorrow ? Who knows, but AMD are very much playing catch up right now.

Oh and for people that have video cards exploding and burning out, looking at my pile of cards, I have 2 more nVidia burn outs than AMD ones (ATi back then). So there may be something in that.

Massirth Stonestream
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:18:00 - [74]
 

There is really no need for disabling that feature on ATI cards.
Personally i never had any problem with my ati card. I cant understand that.
SSAO is a really nice looking feature, nothing else.
NVidia is supporting CCP.. maybe thats a small price they paid in the evolution of eve-online.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:29:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Ciar Meara on 21/06/2011 13:32:27

Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: Alpheias
Since I have Nvidia and Intel as you should)

Silly little girl and/or manchild...we really, really shouldn't.


Oh, ad hominem-arguments. The last resort of those who can't form a coherent argument to begin with.

AMD are painting themselves into a corner, THEY are the result of the recent trend among software developers to can ATI-support.

Informed customers will naturally buy and use what actually works properly. Instead of buying some less compatible, non-working product.



First of all the "coherent argument" of the other party consisted of 'you should buy this cause its better and I have it'.

Secondly, I did research on the choice of GPU. I didn't base my research on fanboyism though. I based my choice of GPU on several things, price, use of electricity, capabilities, decibels and incorperation of CPU/Motherboard. Buying AMD/ATI at that moment made sense.

While I don't mind buying i7 processor with an nvidia card I just had my old nvidia card blow up (twice in a row). At the moment of buying (early in the year 2011) i7 processors had a serious problem with their sandy bridge and I didn't want to buy a product that had flaws designed into it and hope it would get patched. (I allready do plenty of that playing EVE)

Therefore I opted for a 6 core AMD, knowing it wouldn't be as powerfull as the i7 but in tests it showed that while not as powerfull in games it did achieve parity in most other areas and CPU power isn't the mother of all determining factors when playing games. Getting an HD6950 to complement this processor was a logical choice and knowing I could flash the bios on the HD6950 to a 6970 in the future was an added little extra.

While I don't need to explain myself to anyone for buying one of two possible mainstream brands I feel I can illustrate that not everybody buys what they see advertised, cause brother NVID cards are advertised everywhere!

What bothers me is that since there are 2 mainstream card manufacturers and no clear standard for most operations (Nvid standards are no more standards then windows standards are) CCP should make the game function for both cards and not arbitrarely disable a feature on a card that happends to be the direct competitor of the card manufacturer they have commercial dealings with.

As any gamecompany they should remain impartial and program their little (very little?) hearts out.

Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:29:00 - [76]
 

Its not like ATI cards are market niche or anything either, 33% is quite a large market share.

Patches Ohulahann
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:31:00 - [77]
 

what will change in the game now that SSAO has been switched off for ATI users? anyone?

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:42:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Nah Ting Tooluze
How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)

Oooohhh Glide was the good old 3DFX days. I miss *sniff*

Liva Daril
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:43:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Liva Daril on 21/06/2011 13:44:22

Originally by: Seishi Maru
ATI/AMD approach always was and it still is. Do not care to follow standards, ..
NVIDIA always was , Follow the damm standard

Maybe thatīs because Nvidia makes/buys the damn standard? CUDA, PhysX?

Somehow I donīt think they call ATI(it says ATI on my drivers, so itīs ATI. Period.Razz) when they come up with some funky new opcodes for their newest GPU, and write the newest version of their programming layer and tools specifically for it.

So as youīre a learned one(not meant ironically), any ideas what this fricken ILR could be?

Caidos
Triffid Systems
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:48:00 - [80]
 

AMD / ATI exists in this world for one reason and one reason only - to keep Intel and Nvidia price competitive.

So thanks to all the suckers who actually bought a GPU from them, your sacrifice keeps the cost of superior compatibility and performance down for the rest of us Very Happy

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:49:00 - [81]
 

Kids, what have we learned from this?
Don't buy ****ty, cheap ATI/AMD stuff.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:51:00 - [82]
 

Bah !!! There are bigger problems in the world than this. I take so many medications my sex drive is gone and I'm impotent for the most part. All I do in my off work time is watch tv and play EVE...

Hmmmm. I guess this IS important....

Bloody CCP (Huff Puff)...

Oh wait, I'm running Nvidia so WTF, I still don't care....

Dr Larry Goldstein
Charybdis Laboratories
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:53:00 - [83]
 

Sandybridge and PhysX are all developments to shift proprietary ownership of software to one side of the market. For everyone rallying about the free market and the ideas of an open system they sure are consigning themselves to vendor lock-ins today.

Not-Apsalar
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:07:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Nah Ting Tooluze
How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)


Glide was designed by 3dfx for 3dfx. It is a proprietary API that was only natively supported on 3dfx branded cards. Of course it's not going to run(or run well) on ATi hardware. In order to play Tribes or GLQuake in OGL, you had to use Glide or a hack, which caused some rendering issues. EverQuest didn't support OpenGL, only Glide/3dfx cards, otherwise it ran in D3d(which was far inferior at the time), same with Unreal. The issue back then was hardware lock(in-a la Glide), the lack of true OpenGL support, and Direct3d/DirectX being total crap.

As far as today, I've been using nV and ATi/AMD on two separate systems for about 7 years. I've had no problems. I don't know what kind of issues you're talking about. The worst complaint people had was the shoddy driver support, and ATi drivers have been good since the 8500 compared to what they were previously, and on par with nV for quite a while.

coolzero
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:08:00 - [85]
 

ppff nvidia sux.....ATI is much better for bitcoin farming :P

ati bitcoin farm to be

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:12:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Nah Ting Tooluze
How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)

Oooohhh Glide was the good old 3DFX days. I miss *sniff*


I remember that card. Very Happy A Pentium II 333 and a 3DFX, that was my gaming rig back then. I remember the first 3D game I played on it was that one where you fly around in a police hovercopter in a futuristic domed city. I can't remember the name of it though. Sad

Taipan Leviathan
Dark Star Confederation
The Ancients.
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:13:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 21/06/2011 14:14:56
Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 21/06/2011 14:13:39
Edited by: Taipan Leviathan on 21/06/2011 14:13:03
The ignorance towards AMD/ATI is staggering here, You sound like a bunch of Console fanboys!
AMD makes solid cards (They have a faster top of the line card then Nvidia atm) and so does Nvidia.
Around the time Ati released the HD5*** series Nvidia was still way back in performance, energy consumption and heat production, everybody was buying ati because of the way better proven stats.
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/Enthusiast-Index,2674.html

With the GTX 4 and 5 Nvidia the tide shifted in favor of Nvidia but with the HD69** series its kinda in the middle atm.

As you can see in the charts, Ati/amd works great and so does Nvidia the differences are minimal so the only thing to look at is price vs performance, which changes brand every few releases.


Edit:
Fixed typo's

Kaliana Lair
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:13:00 - [88]
 

I have so much ATI and nvidia working together and I have no problem with physx or anything.
Rolling Eyes Arrow Linkage

Samir Duran Xadi
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:17:00 - [89]
 

nvidia has been losing marketshare to ati for a long time. only nvidiots buy their cards.

Mikal Morataya
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:17:00 - [90]
 

Rather than all the fanboy flaming, can someone describe what will be different losing this feature on my ATI card, worse performance? Worse looking game?


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