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Liva Daril
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:07:00 - [1]
 

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* SSAO is disabled on all video cards except NVIDIA cards.
* ILR is disabled on Windows XP machines that use ATI GPU’s.
* Depth effects on Macs with ATI cards are disabled.

Ok, found out what SSAO probably means(Sad). And pity for the Macs.
But what the heck is ILR, and why is it verboten on XP&ATI??

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:26:00 - [2]
 

CCP gets paid my Nvidia to develop their internet barbie dolls. Did you expect anything less?

Nvidia - we want you to use our product.

CCP - sorry can't do that.

Nvidia - we will give you money for your barbie dolls and world of darkness projects.

CCP -$$$$$$$$$$

RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:31:00 - [3]
 

So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:34:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?


Well dont want to sound like an fanboy.. Using AMD processors and ATI graph cards myself... Tho i wished i switched for intel and nVidia some time ago.

Less problems, more power.

Ender Shadow
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:50:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?


Well if you seen any of the Alliance Tournament IX matches there is a Nvidia Logo during every recorded mach. There is no doubt they sponsored that event. As for compatibility with ATI who knows, except usually them that pays gets.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:18:00 - [6]
 

When a software company no longer supports multiple platforms/hardware and only favors certain ones, it ceases to be a software company and has instead become $omeone's *****.

Nah Ting Tooluze
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:21:00 - [7]
 

How many games don't have issues with ATi stuff? I am thinking back since the days of Glide and every game has had an issue with ATi hardware at some level or another. ATi is the BetaMax of video cards.. sure it might be better under certain conditions, but almost everybody else supports the other guys (VHS)

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:25:00 - [8]
 

When I first started with EVE I had both an ATI card and Nvidia.

With the Nvidia, I was able to antialise (this was before it was added in-game) but the text was blurry.

With the ATI, I was able to antialise and the text remained sharp.

I went with ATI and returned the Nvidia.

End of story.

Khysanth Onyx
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:31:00 - [9]
 

Awesome, I just go a computer with a NVIDIA card. You ATI people can go die.

Turix
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:38:00 - [10]
 

The more annoying this is that SSAO itself works absolutely fine with ATI cards; so either CCP is deliberately shafting ATI users or they are using an implementation that is flawed/not to spec.

Either way it would be appreciated if someone from CCPs development staff could explain the reasoning for these ATI changes?

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:39:00 - [11]
 

CCP resumes to sucking Nvidia off.

Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:39:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 21/06/2011 03:39:55
Originally by: Khysanth Onyx
Awesome, I just go a computer with a NVIDIA card. You ATI people can go die.


I know i know...

Tho have you heard that interesting story.
Goverment wanted to implant chips to soldiers. I am no soldier i dont care
Goverment then proceed to implant chips for sick people. I am no sick i dont care
--- snip ---
Now they want to implant chips to us. Nobody remained to defend us.

Khysanth Onyx
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:44:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 21/06/2011 03:39:55
Originally by: Khysanth Onyx
Awesome, I just go a computer with a NVIDIA card. You ATI people can go die.


I know i know...

Tho have you heard that interesting story.
Goverment wanted to implant chips to soldiers. I am no soldier i dont care
Goverment then proceed to implant chips for sick people. I am no sick i dont care
--- snip ---
Now they want to implant chips to us. Nobody remained to defend us.


With CCP there's no fighting it, you just have to pray your on the right side of their stupid fumbling.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:57:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Mars Theran on 21/06/2011 03:58:01

Compare these:

ATi Developer Tools and SDKs

Nvidia Developer Tools and SDKs

Now, which one do you think you would go with?

Screen Space Ambient Occlusion disabled will improve your system performance. It's a relatively minor addition not noticed in most games, but may have some small impact on viewing your character and particularly clothing simulations. Depth Buffer is directly associated with this, and will have a similar impact.

I have no idea what ILR is, and can't find it anywhere. I would guess something to do with Light Interpolation or Rendering, but really: No idea.

Chances are they just haven't worked in proper support for ATi yet, as this is mostly incorporated in the Incarna portion of the expansion, which is largely reliant on Nvidia technology.

SSAO can work on ATi as far as I know, but may need some additional support put in before it can be 'unlocked'. I suspect the primary reason it has been left out at this stage, is a direct result of it not being able to take advantage of the hardware acceleration on non-Nvidia GPUs, and it having a negative impact on performance, such that it can drop your performance, (with Hardware Acceleration), by 10-15 FPS.

Possibly expect a later patch? idk

Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:05:00 - [15]
 

When ATI start to care about Linux users I may start to care about ATI products until then I fully support CCP sharing a bed with Nvidia

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:15:00 - [16]
 

One thing is certain though. Playing on the carebear side of things right now it is inevitable spending a long time docked processing and checking prices and etc. So if this crippled Physx crap (for non-Nvidia users) is too bad I'll just have to leave EVE again until they un-cripple said software Physx. Which they wont do, of course.

Unfortunately I wont be giving my isk away this time either, so don't bother asking. ugh

Ayieka
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:58:00 - [17]
 

i have an ati card, and i run this game at max settings, it runs flawlessly. now im forced to play a slightly less pretty EVE.

i am now sad. :C

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:59:00 - [18]
 

Just to step in and correct some fanboyism here: ATI no longer exists (with new product releases.) AMD is now the holder of the Radeon name.

Also, do not badger other companies who make video cards. They have quality products, too.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:01:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Ayieka
i have an ati card, and i run this game at max settings, it runs flawlessly. now im forced to play a slightly less pretty EVE.

i am now sad. :C


^this

Ioci
Gallente
Space Mermaids
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:02:00 - [20]
 

ATI was a Cdn company when it started, so the cards require you to inject alot of beer into the GUI.

After a dozen beer you don't give a **** about the graphics. They are all a blur anyway.

cyclobs
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:03:00 - [21]
 

SSAO works in arma2OA and it runs perfectly fine on my ATI 6990 Evil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very MadEvil or Very Mad

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
When ATI start to care about Linux users I may start to care about ATI products until then I fully support CCP sharing a bed with Nvidia
…which is kind of odd, since they seem rather happy with supporting BSD/Darwin. Confused

Maybe it's because Apple is just as fond of obscurity and proprietary solutions as AMD (and ATI, back in the day, for that matter). vOv

Mizar Alcor
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:03:00 - [23]
 

Yes SSAO works WONDERFULLY on my ATI 5770HD (STALKER Clear Sky is awesome that way), this more than most CCP blunders really irks me, what a bunch of **** this is. Nvidia wonders why some people still refuse to buy thier products, these type of practices is exactly why. Oh well maybe it isnt that and it will be implemented later once CCP has thier head around ATI a little more, but im not holding my breath. ******* lame.

Benri Konpaku
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:06:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ayieka
i have an ati card, and i run this game at max settings, it runs flawlessly. now im forced to play a slightly less pretty EVE.

i am now sad. :C


It would be good if that was all that happened, because crippled Physx has the nasty tendency to deteriorate performance the longer the Physx environment is running. Just play crap games like Mafia II and you'll see what I'm talking about. Having to restart the client every half an hour is the oposite of fun.

Jada Maroo
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:10:00 - [25]
 

Given that the Incarna part of this patch only amounts to a single room to walk around alone in, I'm not sure why OP is suprised that CCP does something else half-assed. Laughing

Beelzebubz
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:13:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: RiskyFrisky
So I'm getting bad service because Nvidia(Who's graphics cards aren't that great) has a deal with CCP?


Well dont want to sound like an fanboy.. Using AMD processors and ATI graph cards myself... Tho i wished i switched for intel and nVidia some time ago.

Less problems, more power.


ive used both, i had an ati years ago that fell out of the pci slot, but thats on sapphire or whoever the manufacturer was really

more recently i had an nvidia card that would crash after about 30 minutes of use everyday. i could set my watch to it crashing my entire machine after 30 minutes and usually ran all day after that

my point? my sample size is small but its slightly larger than yours, therefore nvidia sucks

crymyname
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:56:00 - [27]
 

ccp sold out a long time ago to nvidia .. why was simple ..at the time ati/amd din't have enough of a cash cow to bribe it's way in ..
but this has never mattered for ati .. if you have the best product it will finally win over a dying company like nvidia ..
so what i want to know is how long do they have left on there agreement with nvidia ?and they do have to remember that they keep pushing ati/amd users will leave then there screwed

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:05:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: crymyname

but this has never mattered for ati .. if you have the best product it will finally win over a dying company like nvidia ..


The one flaw about capitalism: when you reach a stage where capital begins to hinder progress.

Ideally the better product by the little guy would sell replacing the inferior product by the bigger guy. The reality however is that the bigger guy has more capital to hinder the progress of the better product by buying out the little guy and shelving the better product. The better product will never see the light of day again and the bigger guy now has the rights to it as well.

Hence...why we are still dependent on fossil fuels. Big oil companies buy out any innovations in the field and shelve the project for the sake of keeping their customers addicted.

The same principle can apply to most any business model.

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:10:00 - [29]
 

Nvidia has always always been the #1 gaming graphics card company when it comes to spreading the dough around to the game companies in the post 3DFX dominance eras.

London
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2011.06.21 06:12:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: London on 21/06/2011 16:58:21
Please give us an answer like it's temporary because of some driver bug. I have an AMD 6970 that runs flawlessly with every game I throw at it and now I can't use some features it can easily do because your little agreement with the green goblin?

EDIT: page 5 has DEV response that states it's just a bug that will get ironed out for AMD users!




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