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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:48:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari
To all the carebear whiners, this game was intended to be a PvP game from day 1. Hopefully CCP has finally remembered this and is going to start making some patches that actually support PvP more than you itty bitty wittle carebears. Laughing

Let me know when they buff extenders and plates by removing them, then we will see some actual PVP/E where the buffer doesn't matter outside Incursions \o/. Then you will have true PVP and a hell of alot more ships being destroyed, cause we all know PVE/Resist holes < PVP/EasymodeOmnitankbuffer. Oh wait, to bady CCP had to invent PVE to attract players to their boring ass click interface PVP game after 30k active subs didn't pay the bills (six months strong, haven't run more then 4 missions and you couldn't interest me in manual requesting to cross a zoneline before being instant popped no matter how many times I loose interest after 3 jumpgates. Cannot wait for the PLEX to run out, cause nothing excites me about EVE anymore...and need a new orginal "haz stuff" line otherwise don't bother typing it).

velinqangi
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:51:00 - [62]
 

Well actually PvP has suffered, and again favours the blobs. No more unprobable faction snipers, which allowed small gangs to challenge the large blobs.Rolling Eyes

Bask Ilisk
Gallente
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:52:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Aqriue
and need a new orginal "haz stuff" line otherwise don't bother typing it).

You sound too incompetent to have anything worth asking for.

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:53:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Mutant Caldari on 21/06/2011 02:54:34
Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Ah, the tears are incredibly delicious. This is incredible news for the people who actually support some balance, at the very least.

To all the carebear whiners, this game was intended to be a PvP game from day 1. Hopefully CCP has finally remembered this and is going to start making some patches that actually support PvP more than you itty bitty wittle carebears. Laughing


Yes because we all know you are nothing more then a 5mil SP scrub who is stuck in his drake. weeeeee

I have so many kills with the Drake on this character that it isn't even funny. Embarassed
Originally by: Aqriue
Let me know when they buff extenders and plates by removing them, then we will see some actual PVP/E where the buffer doesn't matter outside Incursions \o/. Then you will have true PVP and a hell of alot more ships being destroyed, cause we all know PVE/Resist holes < PVP/EasymodeOmnitankbuffer. Oh wait, to bady CCP had to invent PVE to attract players to their boring ass click interface PVP game after 30k active subs didn't pay the bills (six months strong, haven't run more then 4 missions and you couldn't interest me in manual requesting to cross a zoneline before being instant popped no matter how many times I loose interest after 3 jumpgates. Cannot wait for the PLEX to run out, cause nothing excites me about EVE anymore...and need a new orginal "haz stuff" line otherwise don't bother typing it).

You seem quite mad, bro. Don't forget to drop your stuff off in a contract to Mutant Caldari and don't let the door hit you on the way out. <3 YARRRR!!
Originally by: velinqangi
Well actually PvP has suffered, and again favours the blobs. No more unprobable faction snipers, which allowed small gangs to challenge the large blobs.Rolling Eyes

Because those were the absolute only way for a smaller gang to challenge a larger one? So many people who aren't BE have been doing it wrong all of these years, we'd better go tell them. Rolling Eyes

Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:53:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Portmanteau on 21/06/2011 02:53:32
oops

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:55:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari

I have so many kills with the Drake on this character that it isn't even funny. Embarassed



Good comback Bro

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:56:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Mutant Caldari

I have so many kills with the Drake on this character that it isn't even funny. Embarassed



Good comback Bro

I don't really need a good comeback, bro. You make yourself look like a moron far better than anyone else can. ugh

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.21 02:59:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Mutant Caldari

I have so many kills with the Drake on this character that it isn't even funny. Embarassed



Good comback Bro

I don't really need a good comeback, bro. You make yourself look like a moron far better than anyone else can. ugh


Yes yes because i claimed i was better then someone on here, ok... good going there brah, maybe log your main now and impress everyone with your l33t KB

Bask Ilisk
Gallente
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:07:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Yes yes because i claimed i was better then someone on here, ok... good going there brah, maybe log your main now and impress everyone with your l33t KB


Da Gooch
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Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:09:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Bask Ilisk
Originally by: Da Gooch
Yes yes because i claimed i was better then someone on here, ok... good going there brah, maybe log your main now and impress everyone with your l33t KB


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Wow good on you for being captain obvious, what is your point? you aint even posting on a main lol also posting on a scrub alt, congratz @ being ironic.

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:09:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Mutant Caldari

I have so many kills with the Drake on this character that it isn't even funny. Embarassed



Good comback Bro

I don't really need a good comeback, bro. You make yourself look like a moron far better than anyone else can. ugh


Yes yes because i claimed i was better then someone on here, ok... good going there brah, maybe log your main now and impress everyone with your l33t KB

Your post really makes zero sense. I didn't think it was possible but you've proven yourself to be even more moronic than originally thought <3. Also, which main? I have 4 Sad

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:13:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari

Your post really makes zero sense. I didn't think it was possible but you've proven yourself to be even more moronic than originally thought <3. Also, which main? I have 4 Sad


Post any that indicate you are not a bear, that will do for now.

Bask Ilisk
Gallente
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:14:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Wow good on you for being captain obvious, what is your point? you aint even posting on a main lol also posting on a scrub alt, congratz @ being ironic.


I wasn't the one crying, smacking or calling people out for alt posting. I was simply pointing out that you are an incompetent who not only hides in unprobeable ships but also hides on the forums, and yet expects others to post on mains.

Try posting on a main and not being a snivelling baby who abuses everyone who has a difference of opinion and I might consider allowing you a modicum of respect.

It's also quite funny watching you get so upset and embarrass yourself.

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:15:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Bask Ilisk
Originally by: Da Gooch
Wow good on you for being captain obvious, what is your point? you aint even posting on a main lol also posting on a scrub alt, congratz @ being ironic.


I wasn't the one crying, smacking or calling people out for alt posting. I was simply pointing out that you are an incompetent who not only hides in unprobeable ships but also hides on the forums, and yet expects others to post on mains.

Try posting on a main and not being a snivelling baby who abuses everyone who has a difference of opinion and I might consider allowing you a modicum of respect.

It's also quite funny watching you get so upset and embarrass yourself.



It's even more funny that you care. Nice alt.

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:16:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Mutant Caldari

Your post really makes zero sense. I didn't think it was possible but you've proven yourself to be even more moronic than originally thought <3. Also, which main? I have 4 Sad


Post any that indicate you are not a bear, that will do for now.

You can search around but I am sure you will find that I am an uber bear yet far superior to you Embarassed

Da Gooch
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:21:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Da Gooch
Originally by: Mutant Caldari

Your post really makes zero sense. I didn't think it was possible but you've proven yourself to be even more moronic than originally thought <3. Also, which main? I have 4 Sad


Post any that indicate you are not a bear, that will do for now.

You can search around but I am sure you will find that I am an uber bear yet far superior to you Embarassed


like i said earlier, good comeback bro. you make no sense.

Frau Klaps
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.21 03:24:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Da Gooch
like i said earlier, good comeback bro. you make no sense.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Voith
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:19:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

(The ability to create an unprobeable fit has always been an anomaly with the scanning system, and the opportunity came up to close the loophole while doing some related work. There are specific modules to make you unfindable in space - ie cloaks - and they have specific restrictions and drawbacks to balance this out. We're aware that making this change will make certain otherwise-legitimate activities significantly less viable, but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)
Nice offhand confirmation that cloaks are intended to be PvP immunity.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:21:00 - [79]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 21/06/2011 04:23:39
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

(The ability to create an unprobeable fit has always been an anomaly with the scanning system, and the opportunity came up to close the loophole while doing some related work. There are specific modules to make you unfindable in space - ie cloaks - and they have specific restrictions and drawbacks to balance this out. We're aware that making this change will make certain otherwise-legitimate activities significantly less viable, but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)

sandbox...

next kill MWD + cloak?

Barbie D0ll
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:31:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)


what the hell? fixing a loophole? really?
why in EVE's god forsaken name would you fix a "loophole" that is working as intended?

I don't have to make a list of loopholes that have existed long before I have started playing that are by far worse that this and you are fixing the "most important" loopholes first?

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Tyslas
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:35:00 - [81]
 

So there's going to be less people in lowsec/NPC 0.0 and faction gear will be more expensive.


*golf clap*

Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:41:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Cloora on 21/06/2011 04:41:49
This wasn't a nerf to PvE in lowsec only. I run unprobable T3's in deep safe spots in PvP for my small gangs. This will nerf me as well. But it loosk like not much as my ships will still be very hard to scan. All in all I'm not too worried about this.

I'll just have to look out for 8 probes on direction in less then a 0.5 AU distance from my T3.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 04:49:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Cloora

This wasn't a nerf to PvE in lowsec only. I run unprobable T3's in deep safe spots in PvP for my small gangs. This will nerf me as well. But it loosk like not much as my ships will still be very hard to scan. All in all I'm not too worried about this.

I'll just have to look out for 8 probes on direction in less then a 0.5 AU distance from my T3.

Apart from some vague comments, we haven't been given any real, solid data on how hard a scan will be. I guess I'll have some testing to do, come tomorrow.

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Ceterum censeo CCP Fallout esse delendam.

Darth Vapour
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:07:00 - [84]
 

Quick test on sisi:

-A stealth bomber with 3 ECCM II (90+ sensor strength vs 39 sig) was probable with 8 faction probes, max skills, bonus ship and a virtue set
-After unplugging the virtues and with only two ECCM active it went down to a 76% result with 8 probes

Investing in Virtue implants will be required to get ships with currently unprobable setups.


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:16:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Ranka Mei on 21/06/2011 05:16:10
Originally by: Darth Vapour
Quick test on sisi:

-A stealth bomber with 3 ECCM II (90+ sensor strength vs 39 sig) was probable with 8 faction probes, max skills, bonus ship and a virtue set
-After unplugging the virtues and with only two ECCM active it went down to a 76% result with 8 probes

Investing in Virtue implants will be required to get ships with currently unprobable setups.

Thanks for the heads-up.

90/39, that's not the sort of ratio one can get on a Tengu. :) Usually it's more like 146/150 (was still unprobable); or 229/150, if you go real extreme. So, I'll have to figure out how the old ratios work out for a Tengu exactly.

Daniela Darr
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:22:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Sarmatiko
From Incarna patchnotes:
Quote:
It is no longer possible to set up a ship to be impervious to scanning while uncloaked.


Come on CCP tell us that those can't-scan-me-Tengubears will die right after this patch!
Best change so far YARRRR!!

Lowsec was getting a bit too crowded anyway.

Frau Klaps
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:23:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
I'll have to figure out how the old ratios work out for a Tengu exactly.


From Sisi testing without virtues but maxed probe alt... when you see 6+ probes on scan that's when you need to start worrying.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:30:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Ranka Mei
I'll have to figure out how the old ratios work out for a Tengu exactly.

From Sisi testing without virtues but maxed probe alt... when you see 6+ probes on scan that's when you need to start worrying.

Well, whatever tomorrow will bring, I think we can all agree on that it's going to be an interesting day. :)

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:45:00 - [89]
 

is this the thread with all the butthurt 0.0 bears whinging about unprobable tengus?

Mizar Alcor
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:54:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Frau Klaps
Originally by: Da Gooch
like i said earlier, good comeback bro. you make no sense.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Priceless...

After reading Jab after Jab this popped up and I pee'd a little laughing...Embarassed


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