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Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:19:00 - [1]
 

From Incarna patchnotes:
Quote:
It is no longer possible to set up a ship to be impervious to scanning while uncloaked.


Come on CCP tell us that those can't-scan-me-Tengubears will die right after this patch!
Best change so far YARRRR!!

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:20:00 - [2]
 

I agree. Also means botters can be hunted down if they don't fit a cloak.

Angsty Teenager
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:21:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
I agree. Also means botters can be hunted down if they don't fit a cloak.


Which they all do, so who cares.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:22:00 - [4]
 


So what, it's still difficult and time consuming.

Just black ops cyno a fleet of 200 covert ops into their farm system.


Same whine, different thread.


I'm not Trollin
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:23:00 - [5]
 

Details please? This is a big change that I'd like to know more about. Does sensor strength now play no role in probing? A reduced role? Need more info!

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:24:00 - [6]
 

Nothing is unprobable - you arent trying hard enough.

Aandaan
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:25:00 - [7]
 

Here is the other thread and confirmed by CCP Dropbear

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532103

I say bastards.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:26:00 - [8]
 

Yes two strings in patch notes is probably not enough to describe mechanic of this change.


Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:33:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Sarmatiko
Yes two strings in patch notes is probably not enough to describe mechanic of this change.


And I am sure dozens of tommorows Multibillion ISK Killmails will agree with you.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:33:00 - [10]
 


All probes can now contribute to a scan result, as opposed to the previous limit of four.

HAHAHA; ninja's rule! Thanks nullsec whiners!

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Borun Tal
Minmatar
Space Pods Inc
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:37:00 - [11]
 

So, doesn't constructing an unprobable Tengu effectively castrate it? Or maybe I'm missing something...

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:38:00 - [12]
 

Mandoo is new ninja paradise once again YARRRR!!

CCP Greyscale

Posted - 2011.06.20 22:41:00 - [13]
 

IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

(The ability to create an unprobeable fit has always been an anomaly with the scanning system, and the opportunity came up to close the loophole while doing some related work. There are specific modules to make you unfindable in space - ie cloaks - and they have specific restrictions and drawbacks to balance this out. We're aware that making this change will make certain otherwise-legitimate activities significantly less viable, but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)

Captain Spurious
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:45:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

(The ability to create an unprobeable fit has always been an anomaly with the scanning system, and the opportunity came up to close the loophole while doing some related work. There are specific modules to make you unfindable in space - ie cloaks - and they have specific restrictions and drawbacks to balance this out. We're aware that making this change will make certain otherwise-legitimate activities significantly less viable, but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)


Stealth AFK cloaker whine detected.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:47:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 20/06/2011 22:46:50


This patch is a Ninja's paradise, I love it!


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:50:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

Wouldn't this effectively mean that ANYBODY can scan anybody else's ship down even with minimal scanning skills ?

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:54:00 - [17]
 

We dont know atm, maybe a 'unprobable fit' will require a virtue set to be found, but atleast it can be found.

Cataca
Posted - 2011.06.20 22:58:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

Wouldn't this effectively mean that ANYBODY can scan anybody else's ship down even with minimal scanning skills ?


I see the same problem here, doesnt this mean that anyone can scan down anything? Not that i dislike the change.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:00:00 - [19]
 


No more unprobable MISSIONERS too :)

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Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:01:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

(The ability to create an unprobeable fit has always been an anomaly with the scanning system, and the opportunity came up to close the loophole while doing some related work. There are specific modules to make you unfindable in space - ie cloaks - and they have specific restrictions and drawbacks to balance this out. We're aware that making this change will make certain otherwise-legitimate activities significantly less viable, but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)

And is using an alt to web your own freighter, so it will go to near insta-warp, a loophole too? Point being, why can't you folks simply celebrate people's inventiveness and leave it at that? Every time people find good ways to defend themselves, along comes CCP with a nerfbat!

And balance? Don't make me laugh. Did you also make it easier to find probes? Did you also do something about high-sec suicide ganking insurance payouts? Of course not. Because PvP is really the only thing you devs want at heart (and who can blame you? You can just pick unlimited gear and isk from the database).

Well, I gotta hand it to you: you did strike a big blow for piracy today. I'm sure you made a lot of people happy.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:03:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

(The ability to create an unprobeable fit has always been an anomaly with the scanning system, and the opportunity came up to close the loophole while doing some related work. There are specific modules to make you unfindable in space - ie cloaks - and they have specific restrictions and drawbacks to balance this out. We're aware that making this change will make certain otherwise-legitimate activities significantly less viable, but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)

And is using an alt to web your own freighter, so it will go to near insta-warp, a loophole too? Point being, why can't you folks simply celebrate people's inventiveness and leave it at that? Every time people find good ways to defend themselves, along comes CCP with a nerfbat!

And balance? Don't make me laugh. Did you also make it easier to find probes? Did you also do something about high-sec suicide ganking insurance payouts? Of course not. Because PvP is really the only thing you devs want at heart (and who can blame you? You can just pick unlimited gear and isk from the database).

Well, I gotta hand it to you: you did strike a big blow for piracy today. I'm sure you made a lot of people happy.



↑ CAREBEAR ALERT

Somebody haul in some Fleet Size Tissues.

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Bologna Brains
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: CCP Greyscale
IIRC we just placed a minimum cap on the signal strength return you can get from a target. Don't remember off-hand what the exact number is, but it isn't very big.

(The ability to create an unprobeable fit has always been an anomaly with the scanning system, and the opportunity came up to close the loophole while doing some related work. There are specific modules to make you unfindable in space - ie cloaks - and they have specific restrictions and drawbacks to balance this out. We're aware that making this change will make certain otherwise-legitimate activities significantly less viable, but most of the ones we're aware of really need to be fixed properly down the road rather than band-aided in this way, and in the meantime we're sufficiently uncomfortable with the subversion of intended mechanics that such workarounds require that on balance we don't feel they're good reason to keep this loophole open. Sorry.)


Way to buff low-sec. /sarcasm off

Ruze
Amarr
Next Stage Initiative
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:04:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Rank
Because PvP is really the only thing you devs want at heart ....



I've known this from day one, years and years ago. EvE is PvP. Everything else is just fluff.

Barbie D0ll
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:06:00 - [24]
 

Well there goes my plans for missioning in highsec in expensive ships, flying a tengu in highsec, doing expeditions in lowsec, and that narrows down my options to "fly cheap ships", or "go cloaky". and in either case I am still going to get ganked, thanks CCP!!!

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:08:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Bologna Brains
Way to buff low-sec. /sarcasm off

Yeah, good for you on the sarcasm (if, at least, you weren't being sarcastic about the sarcasm). Because all those folks so gleefully enjoying this news sooner or later will release this just means far less people will now visit lowsec/nullsec.

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:09:00 - [26]
 

Greyscale you ****.

Fail pvp whiners "Eve is too hard, make it better CCP" win again.

Starting to notice a pattern here.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Barbie D0ll
Well there goes my plans for missioning in highsec in expensive ships, flying a tengu in highsec, doing expeditions in lowsec, and that narrows down my options to "fly cheap ships", or "go cloaky". and in either case I am still going to get ganked, thanks CCP!!!


You think somebody is going to alpha a Marurder?

lol

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:11:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Sarmatiko on 20/06/2011 23:12:13
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Did you also make it easier to find probes?

Direct scan. Use it. And don't sleep on the mission while flying your unprobable-in-the-past Tengu.
I was able to hunt and do some missions on scannable battleship in lively low-sec system. When you see probes you warp out or die.

Cataca
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:14:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Barbie D0ll
Well there goes my plans for missioning in highsec in expensive ships, flying a tengu in highsec, doing expeditions in lowsec, and that narrows down my options to "fly cheap ships", or "go cloaky". and in either case I am still going to get ganked, thanks CCP!!!


well, exploration in lowsec would have been a bad idea even in an unprobeable ship. You can still scan sites there, so people will find you (easily at that). See it that way, this patch saved you from a billion isk loss. Very Happy

Bask Ilisk
Gallente
Death To Everyone But Us
Posted - 2011.06.20 23:14:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Barbie D0ll
Well there goes my plans for missioning in highsec in expensive ships, flying a tengu in highsec, doing expeditions in lowsec, and that narrows down my options to "fly cheap ships", or "go cloaky". and in either case I am still going to get ganked, thanks CCP!!!


You think somebody is going to alpha a Marurder?

lol


It doesn't take much to alpha a marauder. Please don't try to discuss things that you are clueless about. I have also reported you for deliberately flaming and spamming topics multiple times with pointless and unnecessarily large text.


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