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DIGI Byte
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:14:00 - [211]
 

Found a small glitch;
Alt+Tab'ing from the main menu (log in screen) causes the movement animation on the maller to freeze until it resets

Also, it would be nice to be able to customize the log in screen to a degree.
I would like to see in station idealy. but being able to select the ship that flies past. the maller is now pimping, but still an ugly shape and not my cup of guaf
(need to remove the dropping chin on it)

Adrenaline Reaper
Gallente
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:16:00 - [212]
 


Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


not good

Nerrevarn
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:17:00 - [213]
 

Hmm, worst patch ever? And still some people excited huh? :)
Nothing interesting really for a core old school player and as always an introduction of some annoying and unnecessary changes (this time in probing). Also it looks to me like a start of those renowned micro-transactions... connected with our PLEX system unfortunately...
Somehow I have a feeling that someone in CCP sits a whole day long and only thinks how to make the game more problematic for those players who have to feed on average their 2-4 accounts. Any new patch recently and I just expect something more challenging and less rewarding ;)
As for EVE graphics... I lost my previous passive GPU (a bit over a year ago) thanks to EVE. It got overheated and started to produce nice artifacts heh. Now I just hope my current GPU can handle all those new "impressive" things.

Sunbird Huy
Caldari
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:19:00 - [214]
 

Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 21/06/2011 13:24:11
Dear CCP(well, we can discuss the first word),

FIRST:
I have been away from EVE for over 5 months, due to work and no internet access. My job is a well paid one, and in all this five months, I have been in contact with friends via e-mail only(only mail-client gets dial-up access to satellite, mucho expensive). Just got back like 2 weeks ago. TO THIS...

This was part of one of my mails:
"Dude, I am getting myself a desktop machine with a large screen so I can f'ing enjoy EVE in full settings, breathtaking and f'ing awesome. On highest settings across the board. Just look up the market b4 I am back and send me some available rigs details..."
I ended up buying a machine driven by AMD Radeon 6970(with 2gb RAM) and a 23" screen. The whole deal cost me a f'ing lot(which I don't mind), taking into account I live in country which average monthly salary is 1/3 of this machine's cost. It was a treat for myself.

Now I read your pathetic patch notes, and I am left with nothing but disappointment.

Second:
With removal of unprobable ships, you have taken away any chances of guerrilla warfare to small groups. And there is no chance in hell that you are to reimburse the players that invested billions of isk into implants and modules for those setups, right? Because, your answer will be, you were just fixing a bug, amirite?

Third:
I don't think that you are being fair to the players. It has been repeated by the player base, for years now, that needs for fixes to PVP are dire. Your path has turned 0.0 into a BLOBODROME, in which small alliances are not meant to survive. NAPFESTs only.
Or your excuse will be: "but look, there is that small alliance holding 6 systems...and only 200 pilots in it, you see it's possible?"
Of course, in 6 months, you will see that alliance stomped out.

This has gone so far, that now, ISK selling Russians can afford to camp gates with Titans and several SC's sensor boosted by 2-3 support ships, insta popping AF's and HAC's gangs which orbit at 100k, because they can. PVP has been consistently nerfed and small gangs are all but eradicated in 0.0. Unless you stalk for a casual sleepy farmer in a belt or something...which is not pvp...

In conclusion, you keep ignoring our questions and our plight. And all we get in return is MILANO/PARIS/NEW YORK in stations, sponsored by NVidia "the way it's meant to be played" TM.

Teh FUK...Rolling Eyes

Sister Sandiego
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:20:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Adrenaline Reaper

Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


not good

Welp, time to play a Free MMO until server is finalised.
See you in Wizard101 Rolling Eyes

SuZiE DeMaRcHi
Caldari
Working For The Enemy Federation
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:21:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Adrenaline Reaper

Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


not good


Dude really thats not funny please tell me your ffs trolling.
I will be such a sad panda if thats true but again we all really knew this was going to happen right?
any way whats another few hours i just cant wait for those sexy bi%$h ass turrets oh yeah baby ^.^

Adrenaline Reaper
Gallente
Hard Rock Mining Co.
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:23:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: SuZiE DeMaRcHi
Originally by: Adrenaline Reaper

Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


not good


Dude really thats not funny please tell me your ffs trolling.
I will be such a sad panda if thats true but again we all really knew this was going to happen right?
any way whats another few hours i just cant wait for those sexy bi%$h ass turrets oh yeah baby ^.^



http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1532385

SuZiE DeMaRcHi
Caldari
Working For The Enemy Federation
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:24:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Nerrevarn
Hmm, worst patch ever? And still some people excited huh? :)
Nothing interesting really for a core old school player and as always an introduction of some annoying and unnecessary changes (this time in probing). Also it looks to me like a start of those renowned micro-transactions... connected with our PLEX system unfortunately...
Somehow I have a feeling that someone in CCP sits a whole day long and only thinks how to make the game more problematic for those players who have to feed on average their 2-4 accounts. Any new patch recently and I just expect something more challenging and less rewarding ;)
As for EVE graphics... I lost my previous passive GPU (a bit over a year ago) thanks to EVE. It got overheated and started to produce nice artifacts heh. Now I just hope my current GPU can handle all those new "impressive" things.



Blah blah blah Cry me a ffs river grow up and upgrade ohterwise go back to mario bros from the 90's

Sunbird Huy
Caldari
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:26:00 - [219]
 

Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


Who said we do have understanding?

Dako Semi
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:26:00 - [220]
 

Edited by: Dako Semi on 21/06/2011 13:27:56
Edited by: Dako Semi on 21/06/2011 13:26:27
Originally by: SuZiE DeMaRcHi
Originally by: Adrenaline Reaper

Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


not good


Dude really thats not funny please tell me your ffs trolling.
I will be such a sad panda if thats true but again we all really knew this was going to happen right?
any way whats another few hours i just cant wait for those sexy bi%$h ass turrets oh yeah baby ^.^



Updates on the time etc. will be posted in the first. post. so go to first page.
oeps my bad. it's indeed 20:00

Khalin Gwah
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:26:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Vantaanya

Keep the good things coming CCP. You might get alot of hate for this update, but there are still people out there who think you are doing GREAT things. Keep it up :)


So long as Incarna is more than CQ in the very near future I can see why folks might get upset.. It's a big leap for an anoying shiney... Cool

Jeneral Jane
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:27:00 - [222]
 

Edited by: Jeneral Jane on 21/06/2011 13:28:01
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
I ended up buying a machine driven by AMD Radeon 6970(with 2gb RAM) and a 23" screen. The whole deal cost me a f'ing lot(which I don't mind), taking into account I live in country which average monthly salary is 1/3 of this machine's cost. It was a treat for myself.

Dude, the above graphics card will play EVE just fine and will look awesome. Don't get all upset because SSAO support is being removed for ATI cards. SSAO has never really worked right on ATI cards to begin with, by way of artifact issues as CCP has already commented on. CCP is doing the right thing here. SSAO is crap TBH and doesn't even improve graphics on NVIDIA cards very well.

It's not the end of the world like many are making it out to be no matter how many trolls say so.

DIGI Byte
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:28:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Sunbird Huy
Dear CCP(well, we can discuss the first word),


FIRST:
ATi have ALWAYS had problems with updates, they create quality products but never have sufficient driver support to keep them up to date, I love ATi, but nVidia is better for support (known fact)
that's your fault for picking ATi.

Second:
Unprobably ships was something they put in as a test but always have planned on removing it as it is flaw in the game design

Third:
and that is the way life is, you think that cute little Japanese restaurant with 6 kids working the stove will last more then 6 months?
get over it, its the way the cookie crumbles.


grow some balls and stop complaining, Everything in EVE is already planned ahead by at least a full year.

Lee Anderson
Eternal Profiteers
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:29:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Sunbird Huy
Edited by: Sunbird Huy on 21/06/2011 13:24:11
Dear CCP(well, we can discuss the first word),

FIRST:
I have been away from EVE for over 5 months, due to work and no internet access. My job is a well paid one, and in all this five months, I have been in contact with friends via e-mail only(only mail-client gets dial-up access to satellite, mucho expensive). Just got back like 2 weeks ago. TO THIS...

This was part of one of my mails:
"Dude, I am getting myself a desktop machine with a large screen so I can f'ing enjoy EVE in full settings, breathtaking and f'ing awesome. On highest settings across the board. Just look up the market b4 I am back and send me some available rigs details..."
I ended up buying a machine driven by AMD Radeon 6970(with 2gb RAM) and a 23" screen. The whole deal cost me a f'ing lot(which I don't mind), taking into account I live in country which average monthly salary is 1/3 of this machine's cost. It was a treat for myself.

Now I read your pathetic patch notes, and I am left with nothing but disappointment.

Second:
With removal of unprobable ships, you have taken away any chances of guerrilla warfare to small groups. And there is no chance in hell that you are to reimburse the players that invested billions of isk into implants and modules for those setups, right? Because, your answer will be, you were just fixing a bug, amirite?

Third:
I don't think that you are being fair to the players. It has been repeated by the player base, for years now, that needs for fixes to PVP are dire. Your path has turned 0.0 into a BLOBODROME, in which small alliances are not meant to survive. NAPFESTs only.
Or your excuse will be: "but look, there is that small alliance holding 6 systems...and only 200 pilots in it, you see it's possible?"
Of course, in 6 months, you will see that alliance stomped out.

This has gone so far, that now, ISK selling Russians can afford to camp gates with Titans and several SC's sensor boosted by 2-3 support ships, insta popping AF's and HAC's gangs which orbit at 100k, because they can. PVP has been consistently nerfed and small gangs are all but eradicated in 0.0. Unless you stalk for a casual sleepy farmer in a belt or something...which is not pvp...

In conclusion, you keep ignoring our questions and our plight. And all we get in return is MILANO/PARIS/NEW YORK in stations, sponsored by NVidia "the way it's meant to be played" TM.

Teh FUK...Rolling Eyes

u mad bro?

ludizao
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:29:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: G'Shad
As for graphic cards, the nVidia and ATI do not play well together. There are minor elements to each card that makes them unique. So CCP is programming in favor of one over the other. Guess what, it happens all the time in the gaming industry.



With substantial degradation of visual impression, I fear many ATI users will leave their favorite game... Evil or Very Mad Crying or Very sad

Ed Zidane
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:31:00 - [226]
 

New stuff, for free. I approve.

Seloena
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:31:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: G'Shad
If I have been reading this thread correctly, it is a lot of “complain complain complain, T3 boosting alts can no longer use an exploit to make them unable to be found . . . complain complain complain, computers till running on coal/steam have trouble loading the avatar graphics, complain complain complain, nVidia happens to be paying to have their three seconds of load time in the intro rather than ATI”

Personally, I say thumbs up to you CCP for continuing to try and move towards a game that avoids nonsensical exploits and for working to keep you game looking fresh and up to date. I would hate to see EVE go the way of so many other long running MMO, aging poorly because their owning companies are to cheap to go about updating graphics.

The changes to eliminate unscannable ships will not have great impact on the number of people using T3 boosting alts, it just means the players will need to pay slight attention to the alt and keep them moving around in system. In a month or two it such will be the norm. This is no different than ultra deep safe points. A degree of risk is the balance to the benefit of the command link bonuses.

As for graphic cards, the nVidia and ATI do not play well together. There are minor elements to each card that makes them unique. So CCP is programming in favor of one over the other. Guess what, it happens all the time in the gaming industry.



/Signed with all my 4 limbs

There are few things that I must agree with ofcourse. Not everything is good in CQ, but Incarna gives huge potential to evolve EvE and thats cool.
F.e I would love to see main screen in CQ to be fully customizable so I could see what I really need (like price changes of selected stuff/minerals) or timers to end of industry jobs.
Also it would be cool that screen for PI would show us actual planets status (like time to ECU run end or how much free space left in launch pads - without opening planets), not only link to S&I window.
I also think that character is moving much toooooo slow.
And why the hell I can't go down to my pod by my own!
And where is pod room with screens shown on Incarna taser?

...and I will be really really really missing this fast camera rotating round the ships in hangar when bored....

Seigneur Doa
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:32:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Adrenaline Reaper

Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


not good


You new to EVE? :) This is PAR for CCP... but it'll be up soon enough and you can go back to smashing rocks to your heart's content Razz

Wearfield
The Junkyard Dogs
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:32:00 - [229]
 

Battlecruiser Skill Bonus: 5% off the price of Adidas shoes and 5% bonus to Adidas store credit per level.

Sunbird Huy
Caldari
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:32:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Jeneral Jane
Edited by: Jeneral Jane on 21/06/2011 13:28:01
Originally by: Sunbird Huy
I ended up buying a machine driven by AMD Radeon 6970(with 2gb RAM) and a 23" screen. The whole deal cost me a f'ing lot(which I don't mind), taking into account I live in country which average monthly salary is 1/3 of this machine's cost. It was a treat for myself.

Dude, the above graphics card will play EVE just fine and will look awesome. Don't get all upset because SSAO support is being removed for ATI cards. SSAO has never really worked right on ATI cards to begin with, by way of artifact issues as CCP has already commented on. CCP is doing the right thing here. SSAO is crap TBH and doesn't even improve graphics on NVIDIA cards very well.

It's not the end of the world like many are making it out to be no matter how many trolls say so.


Oh no doubt it will. I am well satisfied with the machine, the graphics are awesome, even with 2-3 accounts running parallel there's no issues at all, but, the way they are doing it, is just not proper. And what am I to expect next? It's not just my ordinary rage, but genuine chronic state -> I keep getting unpleasant surprises whenever I force myself to read DEV/GM notes on forums...

CEO Frappiato
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:35:00 - [231]
 

Can we have a CCP live webcam feed... so i can see you guys working in place of watching the login screen?

SuZiE DeMaRcHi
Caldari
Working For The Enemy Federation
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:36:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Seigneur Doa
Originally by: Adrenaline Reaper

Quote:
13:10 UTC

Database updates are taking longer than originally estimated. Because of that, we are extending the downtime until 20:00 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


not good


You new to EVE? :) This is PAR for CCP... but it'll be up soon enough and you can go back to smashing rocks to your heart's content Razz


LoL well said Seigneur +1

Felix Shoen
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:37:00 - [233]
 

WTF on the Mac patch. opened up eve to find a EVE EULA box that is ??empty?? it says scroll to bottom to continue, there is no bottom. There is no Text. It also wont close. Very nice work CCP. New to Mac OS are we?

Sunbird Huy
Caldari
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:38:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Lee Anderson
Originally by: Sunbird Huy

Teh FUK...Rolling Eyes

u mad bro?


Yep :)
I bet you're not tho, finally you get to wear pink fluffy stuff that you will be able to buy for aurum. Props. Your killboard stats also give me a reason to believe a carebear tries to troll me :)

Mark MyWord
Gallente
Threshing Minds Of Chaos
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:39:00 - [235]
 

I hope that all of you who complain about the code, lack of features, priority of Incarna, or ATI compatibility have never coded, or had experience sustaining PR (Public Relations), because we can let your complaints go as ignorance. If you really want all these things changed, because you tout yourselves as so important, why don't you get a job at CCP and code for them and make everyone's lives easier with your mad skills.
EVE is a hard beast to tame - that's why CCP is big, too. The best coders, designers, and directors aren't the makeup of CCP or any gaming company. The best have to deal with less-skilled people that work within their company and not just those outside of CCP, like you. Be thankful for what they give you. I'm thankful I don't have to pay $60 for every expansion. I'll admit, my Dell 390 is from 2006 and it runs everything fine, but some manufacturers do a better job than others, and it's up to the user to decide what their computer needs and budgets are.

In order to move forward, things have to get rearranged. That's how the EVE universe and the real universe move through time. If that means that old users are rearranged with new users, or users rearrange their old computer hardware with new hardware - we must move forward nonetheless.
Who knows where your atoms came from. All of life had to get their atoms from something before them - whether it be the $hit from fish or the gas from plants (or planets). It's not like we're all unique one-time creations. Our bodies shed most of itself throughout its life only to rearrange its losses with newer consumables. Our planet came from our sun, and our solar system came from the atoms and reactions within our galaxy etc. I don't just play EVE, I play life.

Haeri
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:40:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Felix Shoen
WTF on the Mac patch. opened up eve to find a EVE EULA box that is ??empty?? it says scroll to bottom to continue, there is no bottom. There is no Text. It also wont close. Very nice work CCP. New to Mac OS are we?

So Mac people won't have to play by the EULA? Shocked Laughing Twisted Evil

Whitehaven
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:44:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Joe Space
Quote:
It is no longer possible to set up a ship to be impervious to scanning while uncloaked.


I think this is an excellent change!

It hurts me pretty bad personally. I have two accounts that can each run 3 of the 4 unprobable T3s. That's a decent amount of training time and a lot of isk sunk into ships and fits that will need big adjustments. This will definitely make it more difficult for us small gang types.

Nevertheless, the change does far more good than bad. Imho, unprobable sniper BS, unprobable mission runners, and even unprobable links are bad for the game. So I welcome this change.

There is, however, one problem I foresee. Links can still be run out of POS. In my experience, the systems where gate camps are most prevalent are systems where the campers have POS. Being able to run T3 links out of POS (and, therefore, out of harms way) is a pretty big advantage.

What I propose is that links are made so that they do not work within POS shields. This will force the campers to run links with the same risks as the gangs that come to fight them.


I fully agree !

Nadya Lena
Twilight Federation
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:44:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Felix Shoen
WTF on the Mac patch. opened up eve to find a EVE EULA box that is ??empty?? it says scroll to bottom to continue, there is no bottom. There is no Text. It also wont close. Very nice work CCP. New to Mac OS are we?

Welcome to Cider. CCP does not actually port EVE to OSX, they use Transgaming's Cider (a fork from a very old version of Wine) to run the client for them.

If you were running it under Wine on non-OSX I'd say you're missing a font (most likely Tahoma or Arial).

Seloena
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:46:00 - [239]
 

Well.... talking with 6 accounts no-life is pointless... you will not convince to anything nerd that is playing with few account @ once and is leaving his PC only if his bladder forces him to sit on bowl... so why you try that?

Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz' aar K'in
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:48:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Nadya Lena
Originally by: Felix Shoen
WTF on the Mac patch. opened up eve to find a EVE EULA box that is ??empty?? it says scroll to bottom to continue, there is no bottom. There is no Text. It also wont close. Very nice work CCP. New to Mac OS are we?

Welcome to Cider. CCP does not actually port EVE to OSX, they use Transgaming's Cider (a fork from a very old version of Wine) to run the client for them.

If you were running it under Wine on non-OSX I'd say you're missing a font (most likely Tahoma or Arial).


Yeah or just wait till TQ is back up, maybe it'll supply the missing stuffs.


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