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Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:07:00 - [1]
 


But what are they actually doing ? They've made no meaningful communication with the wider player base, shockingly less than we are accustomed to from even CCP.

All the recent initiatives to make CCP rethink stuff has been grass roots on the forums by rank and file players, API, Micro Transaction, etc.

So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are.

What are they good for?

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:54:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Extreme on 20/06/2011 11:57:45


The CSM-6 members are enforcing a new concept on how to execute their council of stellar management and doing so it can be said that their ways are in all fairness controversial...

...but they have the right to do so!


We can't judge on their work and efforts yet and until then it's just to sit and wait.


/Extreme, CSM-2

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:18:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Zelda Wei

But what are they actually doing ? They've made no meaningful communication with the wider player base, shockingly less than we are accustomed to from even CCP.


CSM6's internal communication methods are more organized than any iteration of the CSM before it. Post-Summit the CSM is always knee-deep in minute-work. Sorting, filing and checking the summit minutes and prepping them for release to the public. Given the number of things we covered and the depth at which we covered them, the minutes are taking a little longer than expected, so we're sorry about that.

The CSM are not impossible to reach. Hell, if you mail me in-game I'll respond to you. If anyone mails me in-game I'll respond to them. A lot of people are standing around going 'WHY ISNT THE CSM COMMUNICATING WITH US?' and we're standing here going: Hey! hey! We're right here! Hello? Can you hear us? Hello~~?


Originally by: Zelda Wei
All the recent initiatives to make CCP rethink stuff has been grass roots on the forums by rank and file players, API, Micro Transaction, etc.


I don't know what you mean by this.

Originally by: Zelda Wei
So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are.


Ok, well, I don't know of any instances where we've basically sat in our 'secret alliance channels' and patted eachother on the back about how we wined and dined on CCP's dollar. But I'm not going to sit here and tell you that Iceland wasn't cool. I know a lot of people on this board seem to literally hate fun but I'm going to be a rebel and strike out against non-fun-havers and have fun whenever possible.

Originally by: Zelda Wei
What are they good for?



So this is a good question.

We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.

We've propped up Time Dilation which is now going to become a feature in the game.

We've gotten a DEDICATED ship balancer (CCP Tallest) assigned to the game, something EVE has never had.

Despite what you might have heard the first summit of CSM6 was extremely productive.

Aisha Ravenwood
Posted - 2011.06.20 13:18:00 - [4]
 

still shouldnt take 2+ months to get notes out though should it?

White Tree
Gallente
Broski Federation
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:01:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Aisha Ravenwood
still shouldnt take 2+ months to get notes out though should it?


There's a lot of notes, and both the CSM and CCP have been busy. The production of the summit minutes is not just a CSM task, CCP also has to review and sign off on the minutes. Don't worry, we should have them out soon. We're more or less done with the drafts and CCP is checking them now.

roq deelim
Posted - 2011.06.20 16:46:00 - [6]
 

Quote:
The CSM are not impossible to reach. Hell, if you mail me in-game I'll respond to you. If anyone mails me in-game I'll respond to them. A lot of people are standing around going 'WHY ISNT THE CSM COMMUNICATING WITH US?' and we're standing here going: Hey! hey! We're right here! Hello? Can you hear us? Hello~~?


srsly??! you certainly don't want all the players to send you eve-mails asking the same questions over and over agin, do you?
YOU guys were elected to represent US. YOU are the one with information now.

so i really hope the minutes will be released really soon - and that they'll be worth waiting...

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.06.21 12:40:00 - [7]
 

CCP dont listen to the NC / ex-NC CSM anyway, if you look at their future planned changes you will see that they are opposite to Mittani's grand vision, in fact the second the NC / ex-NC CSM got power CCP changed 0.0 that directly affected them.

It was kind of CCP's way of slapping Mittani across the face.

It is like winning miss USA, you may have a crown on your head but dont think it means anything you will still be the girl who thought Europe was a country.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.06.21 15:41:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
CCP dont listen to the NC / ex-NC CSM anyway, if you look at their future planned changes you will see that they are opposite to Mittani's grand vision, in fact the second the NC / ex-NC CSM got power CCP changed 0.0 that directly affected them.

Please elaborate; I'm sure you have references to support your hypothesis? Also, what "future planned changes" are opposite to "Mittani's grand vision"?

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.06.21 19:17:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: White Tree
We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.

Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it.
Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much!

I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:13:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: White Tree
We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.

Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it.
Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much!

I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored.

There's an official recording of them available.

Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:16:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: White Tree
We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.


There was more than just the one time? I was under the impression you only did one of each. I must have missed the other ones. Someone please link me the other fireside chats and spot lights. Thanks in advance.

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:32:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: White Tree
We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.

Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it.
Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much!

I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored.

There's an official recording of them available.

Unless you've missed it. I'm deaf! I can't hear the official recording!!

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:34:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: SkinSin on 25/06/2011 10:39:04
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: White Tree
We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.

Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it.
Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much!

I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored.

There's an official recording of them available.

In case you've missed it, I'm deaf! I can't hear the official recording!!

edit: WTF is going on with that? I pressed Edit, not quote!

Habaticus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 10:59:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Habaticus on 25/06/2011 11:02:07
The lack of information and communication with the CSM is criminal. Unless you know the secret handshake, lurk in certain blogs, or run with the in-crowd it's deathly silence. Once in awhile I find a link to a website one of them posted on for their readers update, yet the community hears nothing. Each of CSM's should visit Jita Park 2 or 3 times a week to keep us updated on your discussions or at least say hi. You act like your a bunch of elitist sh*theads.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:01:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: White Tree
We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.

Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it.
Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much!

I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored.

There's an official recording of them available.

Unless you've missed it. I'm deaf! I can't hear the official recording!!

Yes, I missed it you only mentioned that you can't listen to the fireside chats, not that you can't listen to recordings in general.

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.06.25 11:06:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Yes, I missed it you only mentioned that you can't listen to the fireside chats, not that you can't listen to recordings in general.

Sorry, I mentioned it in the Fireside chat thread and presumed you'd read it.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.25 21:50:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 25/06/2011 21:51:07
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: SkinSin
Originally by: White Tree
We've done spotlights, and fireside chats. This lets the players listen to us in a semi-formal setting and we take questions.

Please, please please, can we have a transcript from these? I can't listen to these and am currently excluded because of it.
Being discriminated against in game because I can't use team speak is one thing and I can live with that, but also by our official representatives to CCP is a bit much!

I've asked for them in the thread from the first fireside and I've been ignored.

There's an official recording of them available.



An the utility of a recording for people that isn't so fluent in spoke English is?

There is a reason why people ask for written reports. The CSM can like oral discussions but the usefulness of them for a multilingual audience is small.



Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.06.26 11:28:00 - [18]
 


The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management.

Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
Free Worlds Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.26 17:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Zelda Wei

The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management.

FAIL

Had you been keeping up at all with forum postings, blogs and etc (i.e. many multiple forms of communication), it would be abundantly clear that the CSM is engaged on these issues, and in a way that thoroughly indicates they agree with and publicly espouse the viewpoint of the community which elected them. That CCP are not listening - or have not been, previously; we shall have to see what may come, as supposedly will be - cannot and should not be laid at their doorstep.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.06.27 07:33:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Shootin' Star
Originally by: Zelda Wei

The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management.

FAIL

Had you been keeping up at all with forum postings, blogs and etc (i.e. many multiple forms of communication), it would be abundantly clear that the CSM is engaged on these issues, and in a way that thoroughly indicates they agree with and publicly espouse the viewpoint of the community which elected them. That CCP are not listening - or have not been, previously; we shall have to see what may come, as supposedly will be - cannot and should not be laid at their doorstep.

Troll: 1
Regular poster: 0

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.06.27 11:19:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Shootin' Star
Originally by: Zelda Wei

The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management.

FAIL

Had you been keeping up at all with forum postings, blogs and etc (i.e. many multiple forms of communication), it would be abundantly clear that the CSM is engaged on these issues, and in a way that thoroughly indicates they agree with and publicly espouse the viewpoint of the community which elected them. That CCP are not listening - or have not been, previously; we shall have to see what may come, as supposedly will be - cannot and should not be laid at their doorstep.


Post proof or it didn't happen.



Shootin' Star
The Fancy Hats Corporation
Free Worlds Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.27 13:06:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Shootin'' Star on 27/06/2011 13:06:43
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Troll: 1
Regular poster: 0
*shrug*

Perhaps. It's been known to happen.

Originally by: Zelda Wei
Originally by: Shootin' Star
Originally by: Zelda Wei

The inability of the CSM to appreciate the current rage shows they are just as out of touch with the wider player base as the CCP management.

FAIL


Post proof or it didn't happen.
Nope. I don't make a habit of rewarding laziness.

Troll confirmed; now applying the "jackass" principle.

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.06.27 14:47:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Shootin' Star

Troll confirmed; now applying the "jackass" principle.


CSM Alt troll confirmed, which underlines the fact there is no evidence. The CSM have made no official response here or elsewhere.

They've undertaken precious little engagement with players they were elected by. They made more posts here in the one week before the election than they did in the three months since.



diaufop
Posted - 2011.06.28 05:34:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: diaufop on 28/06/2011 05:35:59
Originally by: Zelda Wei


They've undertaken precious little engagement with players they were elected by. They made more posts here in the one week before the election than they did in the three months since.


No different to any other politician. I often wonder why people even bother voting for these CSMs tbh, no-one can actually point to anything any of the past 5 CSMs have "achieved" that CCP weren't going to do anyway.

Harkonen Xaves
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:58:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Harkonen Xaves on 28/06/2011 12:58:46
I have zero confidence in the CSM. They are paper tigers at best, CCP yes wo/men at worst.

All of the CSM should resign but dang it those free holidays to iceland sure are nice, huh?

Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2011.06.28 13:11:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Harkonen Xaves
Edited by: Harkonen Xaves on 28/06/2011 12:58:46
I have zero confidence in the CSM. They are paper tigers at best, CCP yes wo/men at worst.

All of the CSM should resign but dang it those free holidays to iceland sure are nice, huh?


Oh yeah, getting 4 days notice to fly to Iceland for a couple of days is sweet. I don't really understand the "you should all resign" thing. What do you think that would accomplish? Right now, one of the biggest problems is that CCP just plain doesn't understand why you are upset. The only way that will change is by people *talking* to them. That is why we are going.

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.28 15:21:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Zelda Wei
So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are.



The ****? I don't even eat seafood.

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.29 14:08:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: diaufop
Edited by: diaufop on 28/06/2011 05:35:59
Originally by: Zelda Wei

zip.


No different to any other politician. I often wonder why people even bother voting for these CSMs tbh, no-one can actually point to anything any of the past 5 CSMs have "achieved" that CCP weren't going to do anyway.


"We", CSM-2 changed sovereignty for example

Leeroy McJenkins
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:18:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Zelda Wei
So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are.



The ****? I don't even eat seafood.


Looks like Zelda is full of s*** then

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:47:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Originally by: Zelda Wei
So aside from what they've been saying secretly in their alliance channels, which mainly seems to be bragging about how good the lobsters and night clubs are.



The ****? I don't even eat seafood.


You should it's pretty good.

Anyway, ignore these idiots. Anyone with an ounce of sense can see that being on the CSM is no joyride.


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