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Willl Adama
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2011.06.20 10:59:00 - [91]
 

Nice read, Duncan.

While I too must admit that I was slightly disappointed after the final, I think HYDRA/Outbreak has been one of the most entertaining teams to watch throughout the tournament in general, and I don't see how one single screw-up should take priority over that fact. The amount of effort, time and resources put into the engineering of this entire thing is simply unbelievable, and I don't doubt for a second that your victory was well deserved.

In hindsight, you probably should have just brawled it out in the final match, but hey, people make mistakes. All in all, I think this was a brilliant Alliance Tournament and I have enjoyed every moment of it.

All I've left to say is; Congratulations!

Jarnobi
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:05:00 - [92]
 

It doesnt matter how much effort you guys put into this tournement, and all the ppl who organised this, its the bitter taste at the end wich ppl will remember off this tournement.


Deaell Portt
Gallente
V O O D O O
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:12:00 - [93]
 

Thank you Hydra/Outbreak is was last AT i watch. What u did is so sick/wrong on so many levels and im very sad u dont understand that.

XJennieX
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:12:00 - [94]
 

wow.. looking at preparation for the tournament and people skipping real life like school and work for this.. internet spaceships is very serious business for some. what i dont understand is at same time many of hydra/outbreak people are saying about final "why are you angry we fixed the match, its only a game" does not compute..

Kaeda Maxwell
Black Rebel Rifter Club
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:12:00 - [95]
 

Edited by: Kaeda Maxwell on 20/06/2011 11:45:46
Edited by: Kaeda Maxwell on 20/06/2011 11:13:13
Congratulations to Hydrabreak on the victories.

Only real shame is you (Hydra) didn't face DarkSide on the final day, how much you deserve this would have been beyond any question at all then.
Still, incredibly amazing feat to essentially get 2 teams to finals and both semi-finals were really good fights to watch.

For all the people QQ-ing; Games record if you win, not how you win. If you can't grasp that EVE pvp is probably not for you tbh.

Nice job Hydrabreak!

Wyatt 3arp
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:15:00 - [96]
 

Worst AT ever. Long BS posts wont make up for that lame show at the final.

Karah Serrigan
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:16:00 - [97]
 

If Hydra is THAT good and garmon is THAT pro, why do you need all that crap in the first place? Just field your best setup and outplay the enemy. Why do you need to know what they field beforehand? I understand the system is rock paper scissor-ish and you dont wanna have to beat PLs rock with your scissors, but the metagaming crap is so bloated that it diminishes your achievement.

Azishkra'elhykai Mizamel
Minmatar
Undead Stuffed Bunnies
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:16:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Jarnobi
It doesnt matter how much effort you guys put into this tournement, and all the ppl who organised this, its the bitter taste at the end wich ppl will remember off this tournement.




I'm really tempted to make a sex joke about the anticlimax of the grand finals, but tbh there's far too much material for me to work with here.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:27:00 - [99]
 

Wall needs more text to be honest.

Zamone
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:31:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Karah Serrigan
If Hydra is THAT good and garmon is THAT pro, why do you need all that crap in the first place? Just field your best setup and outplay the enemy. Why do you need to know what they field beforehand? I understand the system is rock paper scissor-ish and you dont wanna have to beat PLs rock with your scissors, but the metagaming crap is so bloated that it diminishes your achievement.


So you advocate giving the enemy an advantage that we don't have? If anything is cheating, it's giving one team an opportunity another doesn't have. The guys spied on had the opportunity to hide and they didn't. It's part of Hydra/Outbreak's awesome that they did. Any metagaming Hydra/Outbreak did, quite honestly, could have been avoided by the receiving alliance were they as diligent with their testing.

Commander Slavin
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:37:00 - [101]
 

Honestly, this the most impressive display I've ever seen in eve. the people that say "you took a dump on CCP" really dont understand just what eve is about, and what CCP want to see... Meta gaming is pretty much promoted these days and frankly the teams that put in the most work seemed to win, well played Hydra, im tempted to drop an app in to you myself

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:39:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Commander Slavin
Honestly, this the most impressive display I've ever seen in eve. the people that say "you took a dump on CCP" really dont understand just what eve is about, and what CCP want to see... Meta gaming is pretty much promoted these days and frankly the teams that put in the most work seemed to win, well played Hydra, im tempted to drop an app in to you myself


Where you see metagaming in the final ? Crying on chat please dont kill us because you are the "B" team and we are "A" team is metagaming ? So pathetic.

Prozacxx
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:40:00 - [103]
 

I am only saddened I couldn't be part of this due to RL stuff.

I too like Duncan

Zamone
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:41:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Originally by: Commander Slavin
Honestly, this the most impressive display I've ever seen in eve. the people that say "you took a dump on CCP" really dont understand just what eve is about, and what CCP want to see... Meta gaming is pretty much promoted these days and frankly the teams that put in the most work seemed to win, well played Hydra, im tempted to drop an app in to you myself


Where you see metagaming in the final ? Crying on chat please dont kill us because you are the "B" team and we are "A" team is metagaming ? So pathetic.

M8
No B team
No A team

Outbreak and Hydra BOTH put the effort in to get here. It was a joint effort. There was no crying, but there was, and still is lulz. :D

Tiger's Spirit
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:43:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Zamone
Originally by: Tiger's Spirit
Originally by: Commander Slavin
Honestly, this the most impressive display I've ever seen in eve. the people that say "you took a dump on CCP" really dont understand just what eve is about, and what CCP want to see... Meta gaming is pretty much promoted these days and frankly the teams that put in the most work seemed to win, well played Hydra, im tempted to drop an app in to you myself


Where you see metagaming in the final ? Crying on chat please dont kill us because you are the "B" team and we are "A" team is metagaming ? So pathetic.

M8
No B team
No A team

Outbreak and Hydra BOTH put the effort in to get here. It was a joint effort. There was no crying, but there was, and still is lulz. :D


Yes we saw the chat they crying, and dont talk bull****s.

Dograzor
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:45:00 - [106]
 

I really appreciate the transparency here that you are making public. Absolutely hats of to you for playing the metagame close to perfection.

However, having seen all matches, I personally think Outbreak deserved to win this tournament. Their match vs Darkside was phenomenal, and it aced a little bit more compared to your PL match. I know you tried real hard on this, but Outbreak vs. Darkside was the highest grade & most frantic match of this tournament.

But again, props to you for setting up & moving this tournament like a chess match, that required some serious planning and skill!! Congratulations on your championship :)

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.20 11:58:00 - [107]
 

Great writeup Duncan, thanks for the insight. I'm personally of two minds about the whole thing; it's classic Eve, but from what I understand it made the final match a snooze-fest (I missed it...still waiting for the YouTube). Hope to see a great article in Eon sometime soon about the whole episode.

Jimetsu
Minmatar
Musashi Logistics Corp.
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:04:00 - [108]
 

Thanks for all this inside information. Just made the whole AT more entertaining to me.

gix tyrionn
Aces -N- Eights
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:05:00 - [109]
 

Honestly not sure if watching a legit outbreak vs hydra final would be more entertaining then watching the forum rage.

Raneru
Combat and Recon
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:07:00 - [110]
 

Best tourney evar. Cool

The amount of effort and dedication put into this was amazing and result thoroughly deserved.

Viktor Del'Grande
Gallente Forschung und Entwicklungscorp
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:15:00 - [111]
 

Well done Hydra and Outbreak! Well done!


Fibonacci Pizano
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:16:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Fibonacci Pizano on 20/06/2011 12:16:27
So many posts saying sorry and explaining away what happened. Why not return the prizes? That would actually be a move toward reparations.

Zarathushtra
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:19:00 - [113]
 

Duncan says it all here.

Behalf of 0utbreak I apologize the final we should have done it differently. But like Duncan said we earned our spots and thats that.

Much love for Darkside was a great match! That obviously was the true final for us.

Caly Lloyd
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:20:00 - [114]
 

Good story, very riveting.

If only it didn't end the tournament by fukking all parties involved and vomiting all over the audience.

Silvitni
In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:27:00 - [115]
 

Congratulations to Outbreak and Hydra, well played and deserved.

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:32:00 - [116]
 

Its great that your good enough to get through to the finals but to ruin them like that?
Couldn't you just fight it out?

On the other hand, no one has heard a peep out of CCP's PR machine on this which says everything about how they really feel about this.

Samanta Raiolaser
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:39:00 - [117]
 

I'm kinda glad I didnt sent the AT link to my friends from other games.

Once Outbreak/Hydra manage to get to the final, just have a good fight ffs! A good final match would be the way to thank the CCP team, the experts, sponsors, and the 28k ppl watching for their AWESOME job.



PS.: I doubt that if the final was PL vs PL-B(GS) they would fix the match. Just saying.

X1376
Caldari
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:40:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Viewers wouldn't have cared that it was team A vs team B of the same group, had the fight been in earnest, and interesting, with shiny explosions.
As it was it looked like a giant giving the finger at the audience and CCP alike. What's done is done, but this isn't going to get you any sympathy from anyone.

This

Yomamafool
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:44:00 - [119]
 

If CCP had a hot younger sister, you guys just nailed her, taped it, and aired it at Thanksgiving dinner. PURE. COMIC. GOLD. Don't go ruining it after the fact, just bask in the glory.

Joroc Senbel
Caldari
Senbel Technologies
Posted - 2011.06.20 12:46:00 - [120]
 

I don't mind all that was done to get HR's two teams into the final. I actually think it was brilliant. Here is how I would have handled that final though. Seeing as both alliances are the same team and if I were the Hyrda fleet commander, I would have told the OB fleet commander to bring what they believed would be the best setup and that I would do the same and just slug it the freak out and have no communication with each other till its over.

Other than that, congrats on a lot of hard work paying off for you guys. Next time just don't even plan the final fight, just fight.


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