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Jenshae Chiroptera
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:15:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera on 20/06/2011 15:23:51
Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera on 20/06/2011 15:23:40
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Agree?
Disagree?

That using meta gaming before having a real fight is an admission that you can't win fairly?

Originally by: Teala Te'Jir

2) We saw the emergence of a new awesome team "Darkside".



Yeah, I think Darkside with a few more fleet options should have been in the final against one of the two Hydra teams that should have been only one entered.

Hope they prevent that nonsense next year, no more farces.

Wencher
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:17:00 - [32]
 

Quote:


I hope not. I suspect PL trying to soil our good name


Gold.

I wouldn't **** on you if you were on fire.

Teala Te'Jir
Amarr
Mr. Benjamin Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:17:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: GambbiT
Originally by: Teala Te'Jir

Oh wait...what? This happens and has happened every year of the tourney. We've seen whole teams self destruct. This is nothing new. So don't play that card - won't work. The Tourney is what it is.

if one ppl tell u are drunk its ok but if 3 ppl tell u are drunk go too sleep men really
and i wanted to be is AT IX but CCP made a mockery with the extraction of team , and a lot alliance in this tournament had 2-3 B teams in it and finally hydra and outbreak prove that ( shame they waste there good work in the final but hey they won a lot of money so they dont care)
u know AT suppose to be like a sport see who is better not like how is in the universe of eve


So exactly what teams did they "not" beat to get to the final match? If I recall both teams had to actually "win" matches, you know, to get to the final match. By you saying that their wins over the other teams meant nothing means you are more whining because "your" team did not win. Hydra and Outbreak won because they fielded great pilots - that won their matches. End of story. They won.

Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:25:00 - [34]
 

I've already given up argueing, people don't seem to get it into their heads that Hydra out-thought and out-did everyone and got their win, it was dirty, it was sneaky, it could have been handled better, but a win IS a win.

No amount of crying and whining and saying it was fixed or saying the tournament was bad because of it or making demands or throwing slap at CCP will change the fact that this has already happened, the matches are over, the tournament has finished for this year, and people should just move on with their lives instead of complaining about something that no amount of forum raging will change.

Go play Eve, have fun, blow people up, mine some rocks, fiddle with some planets, build some metallic monstrosity or whatever else you do, but please just get over this already, there's more important things in life than how some match in some tournament went that, when you're old and grey, you won't even remember anymore.

GambbiT
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:26:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Teala Te'Jir

So exactly what teams did they "not" beat to get to the final match? If I recall both teams had to actually "win" matches, you know, to get to the final match. By you saying that their wins over the other teams meant nothing means you are more whining because "your" team did not win. Hydra and Outbreak won because they fielded great pilots - that won their matches. End of story. They won.



omfg u are drunk soo where competition every tournament it is ONLY 1 WINNER so how come now 2 team won ??? i already told u go too sleep u are drunk

Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:29:00 - [36]
 



..at the end of the day... Girls > Boys


Jenshae Chiroptera
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:29:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera on 20/06/2011 15:29:41
Originally by: Kagumichan
... but a win IS a win..


This attitude will have the biggest or the two biggest alliances fielding all the teams in a year or two.

Enjoy the conga lines? :P

GambbiT
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:33:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Kagumichan
I've already given up argueing, people don't seem to get it into their heads that Hydra out-thought and out-did everyone and got their win, it was dirty, it was sneaky, it could have been handled better, but a win IS a win.

No amount of crying and whining and saying it was fixed or saying the tournament was bad because of it or making demands or throwing slap at CCP will change the fact that this has already happened, the matches are over, the tournament has finished for this year, and people should just move on with their lives instead of complaining about something that no amount of forum raging will change.

Go play Eve, have fun, blow people up, mine some rocks, fiddle with some planets, build some metallic monstrosity or whatever else you do, but please just get over this already, there's more important things in life than how some match in some tournament went that, when you're old and grey, you won't even remember anymore.


U are right my bad i will put myself 30 sec on knees i my room corner, then go happy playing eve

Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:36:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Kagumichan on 20/06/2011 15:39:47
Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera on 20/06/2011 15:29:41
Originally by: Kagumichan
... but a win IS a win..


This attitude will have the biggest or the two biggest alliances fielding all the teams in a year or two.

Enjoy the conga lines? :P


I do like a good conga line actually, next year we need a Sigil conga line, all fit with cruiser MWD's so they can speed-conga Very Happy

Yeahno, the point I was getting at is some teams play to win, some teams play to take part, some teams play for the fun, some for the glory, some for the chance to be on T.V, heck, there were probably some that entered just for the hell of it. If you're going to play to win, you gotta make sure you're better prepared than the other guy. The case that Hydra took advantage of the under-handed back-alley things you can do in Eve to pull a victory may be frowned upon, but it shows how serious they were to win. That's something I simply won't argue with, if you really wanna win, like, REALLY, you got do whatever you can to make it happen. History is written by the winners, no?

(+1 to anyone that spots the Michael BoltonIII impression Very Happy)

Wencher
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:37:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Zixie Draco


..at the end of the day... Girls > Boys




At the end of the day the boys let the girls win.. how chivalrous.

Jenshae Chiroptera
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:37:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Kagumichan
... History is written by the winners, no?


Need to be able to intimidate them for that to work.

Teala Te'Jir
Amarr
Mr. Benjamin Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:43:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Originally by: Kagumichan
... History is written by the winners, no?


Need to be able to intimidate them for that to work.


You know, all you have to do to make a difference is build a team, field it, beat the other teams and win the tournament. Want to make a difference, here is your chance. I'd love to see you in Tournament X.

Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:45:00 - [43]
 

I wanna be in ATX Very Happy

Gonna bug my alliance till they let me fly a Malediction in a match, then even if I get 'meta-gamed' I'll just be happy that I was there. ugh

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:45:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Futar Csav0
Edited by: Futar Csav0 on 20/06/2011 01:26:24
As far as I know people are entitled to express thier opinion hence the forums...

1. Yes none paid, but alot of ppl won't watch next tourney
2. Sport =/= War
3. Wrong, the tournament is about both the teams and viewers hence it's streamed by EVE TV
4. No comment - troll





Those same people swore they wouldn't watch this tournament last year when metagaming occurred.

Jenshae Chiroptera
Posted - 2011.06.20 17:03:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Teala Te'Jir
Originally by: Jenshae Chiroptera

You know, all you have to do to make a difference is build a team, field it, beat the other teams and win the tournament. Want to make a difference, here is your chance. I'd love to see you in Tournament X.


You spin round, like a broken record baby, right round ...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcCw1ggftuQ

Electra GaafCramo
Posted - 2011.06.20 20:26:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Teala Te'Jir
Originally by: Futar Csav0
As far as I know people are entitled to express thier opinion hance the forums...

1. Yes none paid, but alot of ppl won't watch next tourney
2. Sport =/= War
3. Wrong, the tournament is about both the teams and viewers hance it's streamed by EVE TV


1) Says you.
2) See it as you wish, you are entitled to your opinion.

3) No it's not about us, it's about them. Until you, or I, or anyone else, puts in the effort and the ISK to participate - it is their tournament...not ours. We're merely spectators. Nothing more.



You really think AT would be ANYTHING worth mentioning without the viewers?

Think mcFly.

Jenshae Chiroptera
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:09:00 - [47]
 

*Bump*

That's what he said.

Dark Soldat
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.21 17:22:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Dark Soldat on 21/06/2011 17:21:58

>win alliance tournament by beating every alliance in your way with 2 diffirent teams
>get acused of being dishonourable and not deserving the win

Oh eve

Dr Djago
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:04:00 - [49]
 

I 100% Agree with the OP, all your cry baby should stfu, I personally hope this is whats going to happen in the 2012 FIFA World Cup.

United States men's national soccer team and Puerto Rico national football team both went to the final for the gold metal.

Technical they are from the same government so they are best of the bros, they played a great game where Puerto Rico leads 4-0, but just 5 minutes before the game is over, all of Puerto Rico player lay down on the ground and give the ball to United State team where they proceed to score 5 goals straight.

The audiences cheers for the new FIFA World Cup champs, both of the team worked so hard to get to the finals and it is their decision how they want to play the championship match, not yours

No one should have complain because

First, you you watched the match on TV for free.

Second, this the FIFA, FIFA is dirty from this past history with all the bribing of judges etc... in FIFA anything can and will happen, never expect things to happen as you assume they should happen.

Third, the match is not about the viewers on TV or at sport bars, it is the team that trained the players, pays the fees to the FIFA organization, so it is all about them, everyone else NOT IMPORTANT.

Fourth, you don't like how FIFA world cup play out,put your money where your mouth is, create your own nation, create your own FIFA football team and get in the match instead of the whining, surely the average audience in front of the TV have the money, the organization ability and the skill to do this right?

The logic of the the OP is hard solid, all your crying babies should stfu.

Ghostwind
Gallente
Dead Skin Mask
Posted - 2011.06.21 22:27:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Ghostwind on 21/06/2011 22:32:24
I am still waiting for the last day to be uploaded on youtube, but I have always thought a pvp tournament was about proving yourself as a pvp'er. If the standard from Eve-online is win at all costs, then it will be reflected that way.

I am kind of old-school in my approach, and things like honor, ethics and morale has some value to me. Despite how things can be used within the sandbox that is eve. If I accept a dual, then I don't bring my mates s a backup. I don't value winning at all costs as a merit in itself. If you are using the tournament to give a big hello to all your buddies across alliances, then do it within Eve, and not the tournament. A tournament in my eyes should reflect who deserved to go through, and to win, because they were the best on the field.

But to each his or her own. From what I have seen so far, Outbreak did well, and have always thought they were pretty good pvp'ers, back from the days when they were Battleangels. I didn't like the ways of selfdestructing against Razor, when they were outclassing them. Just like I didn't like that Austria and Germany passed to each other for 90 mins in 1982 world cup in football to insure that Germany could progress from group stages at the cost of Algeria, who had beaten Germany.

Some like these things others do not. And I do not. And therefore I give my take on it. If people want to win at all costs, just like they do within the Eve-online realm, then we don't need a tournament, and the scope of eve-online is sufficient as is. No need to televise it.

I do hope to see some good matches none the less, but I can understand that yet another final has disappointed - and ... for reasons that does not reflect, we won because we were the best team, and we did so without trying to gain an edge beforehand or did favors or gained for/from someone else on our way.

But I can't say it was an eye-opener to hear the news of this tournament final.

Last but not least, if people say it is merely internet pixels, and shouldn't be taken seriously, why do people train for it, in hope of gaining, if nothing else - internet pixel money, and pixel ships. All that is left is their code of conduct - or lack thereof.

TornadoXX
Posted - 2011.06.21 23:23:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Dr Djago
I 100% Agree with the OP, all your cry baby should stfu, I personally hope this is whats going to happen in the 2012 FIFA World Cup.

United States men's national soccer team and Puerto Rico national football team both went to the final for the gold metal.

Technical they are from the same government so they are best of the bros, they played a great game where Puerto Rico leads 4-0, but just 5 minutes before the game is over, all of Puerto Rico player lay down on the ground and give the ball to United State team where they proceed to score 5 goals straight.

The audiences cheers for the new FIFA World Cup champs, both of the team worked so hard to get to the finals and it is their decision how they want to play the championship match, not yours

No one should have complain because

First, you you watched the match on TV for free.

Second, this the FIFA, FIFA is dirty from this past history with all the bribing of judges etc... in FIFA anything can and will happen, never expect things to happen as you assume they should happen.

Third, the match is not about the viewers on TV or at sport bars, it is the team that trained the players, pays the fees to the FIFA organization, so it is all about them, everyone else NOT IMPORTANT.

Fourth, you don't like how FIFA world cup play out,put your money where your mouth is, create your own nation, create your own FIFA football team and get in the match instead of the whining, surely the average audience in front of the TV have the money, the organization ability and the skill to do this right?

The logic of the the OP is hard solid, all your crying babies should stfu.
USA & Puerto Rico are both s**t at football, you idiot, so STFU and I can say that because:

- Firstly,I pay to for this game, so I have the right to insult idiots like you.
- Secondly, your analogy is so stupid, you deserve to be told to STFU.
- Thirdly, see my 1st point.
- Fourthly, kissing ass, and shoving your nose deep up their a***s, does not makes you look 'cool'. Stop crying and STFU, you noob.

Dr Djago
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.22 03:08:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Dr Djago on 22/06/2011 03:13:28
Originally by: TornadoXX
Originally by: Dr Djago
I 100% Agree with the OP, all your cry baby should stfu, I personally hope this is whats going to happen in the 2012 FIFA World Cup.

United States men's national soccer team and Puerto Rico national football team both went to the final for the gold metal.

Technical they are from the same government so they are best of the bros, they played a great game where Puerto Rico leads 4-0, but just 5 minutes before the game is over, all of Puerto Rico player lay down on the ground and give the ball to United State team where they proceed to score 5 goals straight.

The audiences cheers for the new FIFA World Cup champs, both of the team worked so hard to get to the finals and it is their decision how they want to play the championship match, not yours

No one should have complain because

First, you you watched the match on TV for free.

Second, this the FIFA, FIFA is dirty from this past history with all the bribing of judges etc... in FIFA anything can and will happen, never expect things to happen as you assume they should happen.

Third, the match is not about the viewers on TV or at sport bars, it is the team that trained the players, pays the fees to the FIFA organization, so it is all about them, everyone else NOT IMPORTANT.

Fourth, you don't like how FIFA world cup play out,put your money where your mouth is, create your own nation, create your own FIFA football team and get in the match instead of the whining, surely the average audience in front of the TV have the money, the organization ability and the skill to do this right?

The logic of the the OP is hard solid, all your crying babies should stfu.
USA & Puerto Rico are both s**t at football, you idiot, so STFU and I can say that because:

- Firstly,I pay to for this game, so I have the right to insult idiots like you.
- Secondly, your analogy is so stupid, you deserve to be told to STFU.
- Thirdly, see my 1st point.
- Fourthly, kissing ass, and shoving your nose deep up their a***s, does not makes you look 'cool'. Stop crying and STFU, you noob.


HAHA you just made my day. Ok let me respond to that, which I know is a very bad idea to do, I never said both teams are any good at football that is not the point I am making, and it is not impossible for both teams to play in the finals with each other. Your intelligence is so low you cannot even understand the point which I am making.

and let me respond to your point
- Firstly,I too pay to for this game, therefore I also have the right to insult narcissistic fanboy like you, who know nothing bout the word, u mad bro? STFU cry moar or the ever more classic, go back to WOW.
- Secondly, if you read my post from beginning to end, you can see the analogy is in fact valid, I directly took what the OP says and plug in the scenarios and yes you do have the right to entitle to your own opinion(even people with your intelligence really shouldn't be able to) to think it is stupid, if so, please argue your point with logic back up by facts or analogy instead of saying "STFU" I understand it is the moronic way to argue things but...... well no buts, you are what you are, I just hope you can accept this in your heart.
- Thirdly, if you have no more point to make, do not make a point to make it seems you have a point.
- Fourthly, who's ass I am kissing? who's ass I am shoving my nose to up? And why does this action make my look as you say... "cool" Also I don't know about you, I see my face being pretty dry, I can't find any tears. And yes 3 year old player with 6 characters combine skillpoint over 300 million sp is very much a "Noob".

my god I hate to argue with pigs, I felt like I got mud all over my cloth.

Xikorita
Gallente
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2011.06.22 04:18:00 - [53]
 

I loved the tournament. Some great matches :D.

MORE VIDEO for qualifying please.


about the finals:
"All too many people get so caught up in trying to steer and control formats, progress, people, markets, and society, that they delude themselves into believing that What Will Happen is in any way a function of what they Want to Happen. There is an underlying and implicit arrogance involved in those who try to force their opinions on others as fact."

TornadoXX
Posted - 2011.06.22 23:43:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: TornadoXX on 23/06/2011 00:55:33
Originally by: Dr Djago
Edited by: Dr Djago on 22/06/2011 03:13:28
Originally by: TornadoXX
Originally by: Dr Djago
I 100% Agree with the OP, all your cry baby should stfu, I personally hope this is whats going to happen in the 2012 FIFA World Cup.

United States men's national soccer team and Puerto Rico national football team both went to the final for the gold metal.

Technical they are from the same government so they are best of the bros, they played a great game where Puerto Rico leads 4-0, but just 5 minutes before the game is over, all of Puerto Rico player lay down on the ground and give the ball to United State team where they proceed to score 5 goals straight.

The audiences cheers for the new FIFA World Cup champs, both of the team worked so hard to get to the finals and it is their decision how they want to play the championship match, not yours

No one should have complain because

First, you you watched the match on TV for free.

Second, this the FIFA, FIFA is dirty from this past history with all the bribing of judges etc... in FIFA anything can and will happen, never expect things to happen as you assume they should happen.

Third, the match is not about the viewers on TV or at sport bars, it is the team that trained the players, pays the fees to the FIFA organization, so it is all about them, everyone else NOT IMPORTANT.

Fourth, you don't like how FIFA world cup play out,put your money where your mouth is, create your own nation, create your own FIFA football team and get in the match instead of the whining, surely the average audience in front of the TV have the money, the organization ability and the skill to do this right?

The logic of the the OP is hard solid, all your crying babies should stfu.
USA & Puerto Rico are both s**t at football, you idiot, so STFU and I can say that because:

- Firstly,I pay to for this game, so I have the right to insult idiots like you.
- Secondly, your analogy is so stupid, you deserve to be told to STFU.
- Thirdly, see my 1st point.
- Fourthly, kissing ass, and shoving your nose deep up their a***s, does not makes you look 'cool'. Stop crying and STFU, you noob.


HAHA you just made my day. Ok let me respond to that, which I know is a very bad idea to do, I never said both teams are any good at football that is not the point I am making, and it is not impossible for both teams to play in the finals with each other. Your intelligence is so low you cannot even understand the point which I am making.

and let me respond to your point
- Firstly,I too pay to for this game, therefore I also have the right to insult narcissistic fanboy like you, who know nothing bout the word, u mad bro? STFU cry moar or the ever more classic, go back to WOW.
- Secondly, if you read my post from beginning to end, you can see the analogy is in fact valid, I directly took what the OP says and plug in the scenarios and yes you do have the right to entitle to your own opinion(even people with your intelligence really shouldn't be able to) to think it is stupid, if so, please argue your point with logic back up by facts or analogy instead of saying "STFU" I understand it is the moronic way to argue things but...... well no buts, you are what you are, I just hope you can accept this in your heart.
- Thirdly, if you have no more point to make, do not make a point to make it seems you have a point.
- Fourthly, who's ass I am kissing? who's ass I am shoving my nose to up? And why does this action make my look as you say... "cool" Also I don't know about you, I see my face being pretty dry, I can't find any tears. And yes 3 year old player with 6 characters combine skillpoint over 300 million sp is very much a "Noob".

my god I hate to argue with pigs, I felt like I got mud all over my cloth.
U mad broszef?

I think you iz mad.

That aint mud,bro, its your nose up a**es.

I got less chars than you and combined, more sp. So as I said STFU brown noser, k.

Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.23 05:14:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Dark Soldat
Edited by: Dark Soldat on 21/06/2011 17:21:58

>win alliance tournament by beating every alliance in your way with 2 diffirent teams
>get acused of being dishonourable and not deserving the win

Oh eve

Shiva LaFayette
Posted - 2011.06.26 22:19:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Shiva LaFayette on 26/06/2011 22:22:03
To sum it up for me:

1. I don't care about this being eve or whatever.
2. I don't like being pi**ed down my neck and being told it's raining.

So you may call it metagaming. Whatever. F**k the rain! I don't like it in either way.

CCP Rainbow: Blah blah blah community question blah blah
Commentator: Hey Baby - shut the f**k up. Setups are bought, players are bought, outcome is bought. We had a nice trip to iceland payed by CCP. Which part of that didn't the community understand?

... the community understood.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:00:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Signal11th on 06/07/2011 14:02:07
Originally by: Dr Djago
I 100% Agree with the OP, all your cry baby should stfu, I personally hope this is whats going to happen in the 2012 FIFA World Cup.

United States men's national soccer team and Puerto Rico national football team both went to the final for the gold metal.

Technical they are from the same government so they are best of the bros, they played a great game where Puerto Rico leads 4-0, but just 5 minutes before the game is over, all of Puerto Rico player lay down on the ground and give the ball to United State team where they proceed to score 5 goals straight.

The audiences cheers for the new FIFA World Cup champs, both of the team worked so hard to get to the finals and it is their decision how they want to play the championship match, not yours

No one should have complain because

First, you you watched the match on TV for free.

Second, this the FIFA, FIFA is dirty from this past history with all the bribing of judges etc... in FIFA anything can and will happen, never expect things to happen as you assume they should happen.

Third, the match is not about the viewers on TV or at sport bars, it is the team that trained the players, pays the fees to the FIFA organization, so it is all about them, everyone else NOT IMPORTANT.

Fourth, you don't like how FIFA world cup play out,put your money where your mouth is, create your own nation, create your own FIFA football team and get in the match instead of the whining, surely the average audience in front of the TV have the money, the organization ability and the skill to do this right?

The logic of the the OP is hard solid, all your crying babies should stfu.


Lol, I think a village is missing it's idiot.


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