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Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.06.20 17:33:00 - [1081]
 

When you advertise it as a TOURNAMENT certain expectations go along with it. All tournaments, from chess, to pie eating contests, to golf, abhor cheating. You expect it to be a match of skills, with fair chances for everyone, and the winner is supposed to earn it.

Call it the "Eve politics spaceship competition" then next year, I don't give a ****. But don't call it a tournament if you allow cheating.

Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.20 17:45:00 - [1082]
 

So you jump from "CCP don't care" to "I don't call this a tournament" simply because you can't develop a come-back to prove me wrong on my last post?

And again the "It's a tournament" utilised as a desperate 'curveball' tactic to change the conversation topic in hopes that no one wil notice that you were wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournament

As you can see here a tournament can be a game, not just a sport, I do believe Eve is a game, right? Games and sports aren't the same thing right?

http://www.eveonline.com/events/alliances/tournament/t7/

Also here, although a bit out-dated, it does not actually say anything about blowing up ships, it says players fight, but a fight can be a variety of things, it doesn't have to involve guns or fisticuffs or anything violent. Two politicians going toe-to-toe in a debate is regarded as a 'political battle' for instance.

Food for thought me thinks.

Wen Jaibao
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2011.06.20 18:10:00 - [1083]
 

Edited by: Wen Jaibao on 20/06/2011 18:12:28
Originally by: Kagumichan
You said IRL analogy, this isn't IRL, this is the internet, lots of schenanigans happen on the internet.

Still, people whinged that last week when the server got DDoS'd too, CCP shut off the servers to try their best to prevent a breach and checked and double-checked to make sure player details were safe, devs and other CCP members stayed waaaay into overtime to do that, and all anyone could keep asking was "do i get free skill points?" or "i want isk for this"... seems their Eve life is more important than being sure their credit card details weren't stolen. I'd say CCP care about their community, and they care more than any other game developer on the planet, you're just too blind to see that.


I'd say that was covering their collective asses more than 'caring'. Sure, they care about the $ in their corporate accounts, and if they had gotten hacked, they would have less $, because people would have quit if their credit cards were compromised. Simple as that. You jumped topics by the way. I was not talking about them shutting off the servers, its networking 101- anyone who dosent know that shouldn't be commenting on how to respond to DDOS (specifically, the people QQing about the DDOS). Oh, and I don't really care about the DDOS, nor was I talking about it. I'm talking about how CCP handled this fiasco of a 'tournament'.

Originally by: Kagumichan
So you jump from "CCP don't care" to "I don't call this a tournament" simply because you can't develop a come-back to prove me wrong on my last post?

And again the "It's a tournament" utilised as a desperate 'curveball' tactic to change the conversation topic in hopes that no one wil notice that you were wrong.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tournament

As you can see here a tournament can be a game, not just a sport, I do believe Eve is a game, right? Games and sports aren't the same thing right?

http://www.eveonline.com/events/alliances/tournament/t7/

Also here, although a bit out-dated, it does not actually say anything about blowing up ships, it says players fight, but a fight can be a variety of things, it doesn't have to involve guns or fisticuffs or anything violent. Two politicians going toe-to-toe in a debate is regarded as a 'political battle' for instance.

Food for thought me thinks.


You know what happens when people throw matches IRL? They get barred from the sport and fined, if not thrown in prison. Obviously that shouldn't happen here. But they should have been disqualified and all players who participated in this farce permabanned from future AT. That would send a message that they don't tolerate cheating in official, sanctioned events. But clearly, they do. We can argue semantics all day, so thats all I'm contributing to the discussion. You obviously think it wasn't cheating the point of an event called a tournament, or at least you turn a blind eye to it, and I do.

Kagumichan
Degenerate Corp
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.20 18:15:00 - [1084]
 

You know what happens when a team throws a match in Halo: Reach? Nothing

You know what happens when people throw a match in Warcraft PvP? Nothing

You know Eve is a GAME? Obviously not.

It may be a tournament, but it's still just a game, and can be played as a game, and it was played as a game, if you don't like the game, stop playing the game Very Happy

(Notice I used the word 'game' a lot there to emphasise that it is indeed just a game)

KillLoco
Posted - 2011.06.20 19:31:00 - [1085]
 

Originally by: Wen Jaibao
When you advertise it as a TOURNAMENT certain expectations go along with it. All tournaments, from chess, to pie eating contests, to golf, abhor cheating. You expect it to be a match of skills, with fair chances for everyone, and the winner is supposed to earn it.

Call it the "Eve politics spaceship competition" then next year, I don't give a ****. But don't call it a tournament if you allow cheating.


Didn't Aperture Harmonics get caught exploiting bugged wormhole mechanics? Pot, kettle...

Harmony Loveflange
Minmatar
Chocolate Flairs
Posted - 2011.06.22 11:47:00 - [1086]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Empress Chimera
This contest should be nullified. Save the prize for tomorrow.


The winner is the winner whether they throw a match or not. This is EVE and underhand tactics should always be expected.


LOL!


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