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Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.06.17 19:59:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop
Originally by: Tess Ataru
pah just because you are a poor sod that flips burgers at mcdonalds everyday, a rich person like myself, now finally can be way ahead of you.

im looking foreward to buy ships and skillpoints so i can pwn your sorry ass all day long.


skillpoints for cash now??? whatever next,: paying cash for sh . . wait thats happing, umm, cash for avatar cloth. . .yup happing as well, next they set up a toll for jita gates I guess . . Twisted Evil


The fact that this quote (where ever you pulled it from) is the one you choose to respond to pretty much says it all.

Stop posting.

LAZMAN
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:00:00 - [32]
 

2009 agreed. If you made the original dev team sit down and play together for 1 month and try lots of eve. They would be HORRIFIED.

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:15:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Doc Fury
When they finally figured out that it is not sustainable to have 3 games under development when only one of them is bringing-in revenue.

Those jokers from the Island of Ice strike yet again with their clever business and financial schemes.








Ccp is not hurting for money right now.

They will be when dust is released using an f2p model and it goes up against call of duty elite and the new BF money sink.

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:20:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 17/06/2011 20:28:07
Originally by: Royston Townhead
Originally by: Leon Razor
I don't really support or agree with this post. Just came to say I think CCP Sellout would be a funny Dev name.


true, true , but its us that make make the game, play the game, if they want to try and make some more money then they should try and putting more back into eve, then a dont think we would mind paying an few few bucks a month, its all the 'lil gripes that make 1 big poostorm, and its sad that its going this way, but they have selective heaing on some issues a think.


No, I don't think you understand the modern mentality of corporations. Once they develop a product on the premise of attracting customers then the premise changes to how can they can continue to develop the product while maximizing profits. Honestly, if you, like me, are one of the customers that will refuse to be milked then the corporation doesn't care. They don't want customers who refuse to spend more as long as there are customers who will.

Corporations are modeled on increased profits. There is no status quo. If they can maintain a profitable product but are unable to increase the profitability of the product then it is slated for death. The end result is ALWAYS unsustainable profitability with a mentality like that as the corporation continuously attempts to increase profits at the expense of its customers. The idea is, if profits don't keep going up then its time to find something else that will. Welcome Dust, WoD.

It's a losing battle, TBH.

Glasgow Dunlop
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:23:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: knobber Jobbler
Originally by: Doc Fury
When they finally figured out that it is not sustainable to have 3 games under development when only one of them is bringing-in revenue.

Those jokers from the Island of Ice strike yet again with their clever business and financial schemes.




Ccp is not hurting for money right now.

They will be when dust is released using an f2p model and it goes up against call of duty elite and the new BF money sink.


So what your sayiing is they have a sense of humour, by predicting the games own downfall with its name Rolling Eyes

what i would like to see next is an expantion that i could care about Wink but for now, there working on dust and the other mmo thing ( over 4 years in development For this mmo, apprently out next year )

Just imagain where eve would be right now if they had all them guys on board.

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:23:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop
Its not a nice heading, but for a game I love, your going down that road where, a choice will be made, either to stay or to go.

But from everything to Charging for new ships with plex-only, botters running roit and scaring everybody to death by saying that you need a liscence to run the fantastic free apps and sites run by dedicated players, it seems that some of your staff have become jaded, and dont really have the best intrests of the games out here. We love the game, thats why we play, but if these things are forced throught then in time you will end up losing a number from your player-base.

So whats the rush to try and grab money in this sense, if your short on cash, raise prices??? We pay a subscription, so why charge us for all the lil stuff we dont want and get some other stuff that we need. We just want the game to be the best it can, but your side-projects we feel are dragging your main intrests away from us, and all the stuff we dont want is happing.

So Come on CCP, stop with the ideas stolen from zombies, get into a ship, and start flying about again in the game you have made,have some fun and get the zest back again, because from this point of view, your slowly destorying it Sad

Mutnin
Amarr
Mutineers
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:29:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Mutnin on 17/06/2011 20:36:09

Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop
Its not a nice heading, but for a game I love, your going down that road where, a choice will be made, either to stay or to go.

But from everything to Charging for new ships with plex-only, botters running roit and scaring everybody to death by saying that you need a liscence to run the fantastic free apps and sites run by dedicated players, it seems that some of your staff have become jaded, and dont really have the best intrests of the games out here. We love the game, thats why we play, but if these things are forced throught then in time you will end up losing a number from your player-base.

So whats the rush to try and grab money in this sense, if your short on cash, raise prices??? We pay a subscription, so why charge us for all the lil stuff we dont want and get some other stuff that we need. We just want the game to be the best it can, but your side-projects we feel are dragging your main intrests away from us, and all the stuff we dont want is happing.

So Come on CCP, stop with the ideas stolen from zombies, get into a ship, and start flying about again in the game you have made,have some fun and get the zest back again, because from this point of view, your slowly destorying it Sad


It's long ago been proven by places other than EVE, that "new Shiny" sells more than "solid game play". It's just like any other subscription operation, you get a certain average percentage of long term subs, that will stay for years. Meanwhile you have to chase the new joins that have the higher turn over.

To get new joins, the easiest way is to go for glitter and glam with shiny stuff that gets written about in game magazines and on websites. Ask your self, how many articles do game sites or mags do about games that add little but have solid game play?

Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:30:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Honestly, if you, like me, are one of the customers that will refuse to be milked then the corporation doesn't care. They don't want customers who refuse to spend more as long as there are customers who will.

It's a losing battle, TBH.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:51:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Mutnin

It's long ago been proven by places other than EVE, that "new Shiny" sells more than "solid game play". It's just like any other subscription operation, you get a certain average percentage of long term players that will stay for years. Meanwhile you have to chase the new joins that have the higher turn over.

To get new joins, the easiest way is to go for glitter and glam with shiny stuff that gets written about in game magazines and on websites. Ask your self, how many articles do game sites or mags do about games that add little but have solid game play?


I see it two fold.


Corporate mission:


To be fair, there would have to be a company that actually DID add little but have solid game play in order for someone to write about it.

CCP used to be that company I thought. That's what brought me to eve in 2004.

But like lemmings off a cliff, CCP execs. do as any other gaming company eventually does, either sells the company to a bigger one or, in this case, stops following its vision for a perfect product and starts listening to the shareholders that say the same thing they say in ANY corporation: "draw blood from that stone! and then draw some more!"


Product Development:


I'm not hating on EVERYTHING new, we all like to see growth and new shineys but they are doing some asinine stuff in the near future.

There are so many things that have been broken for YEARS they just ****ing ignore, it's like rubbing salt in a wound. It's not like I haven't had patience. It's not like i don't appreciate new products.

Remember factional warfare? Yeah, I was PSYCHED about that. Until they flat out lied to everyone by saying they would continue to support it and improve on it's faults.

I've had the patience of a chopping block, but there has to be a line in the sand. I'll continue to see what's over the horizon, but I'm just about done I think. I won't listen too closely to the naysayers until i get to see for myself, but Eve is NOT where I expected Eve to be in 2011.



If i knew then what I knew now, I'd have quit.
So knowing the pattern being drawn, why should I not quit now? That is the question.


You cannot tout both of the following lines and not expect people to start scratching their heads:

"data does not seem to support that polished quality sells better than new features"

"CCP is committed to excellence" (excellence in this context is evaluation of development committed to developing excellent features instead of half-finished ones)

For too long CCP has been telling me "it's raining" and every time i look up to see when the clouds might break all I see is them ****ing on my head.

Dust and Vampires.
CCP, how about you give me a reason to stay? And only two reasons will do:

-Polish the features we have, do whatever it takes or risk losing your base.

-Understand the game is built on subscriptions, some of us have been paying them for years. If you want to run your game on micro-transactions why should anyone think it wise to continue paying subscription? Why today it's only a paint job and a new coat for your avatar, well.... we all know how quickly things can change don't we? Wink

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:55:00 - [40]
 



Has CCP got any Nokia execs on the board?

Just wondering.

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.06.17 21:22:00 - [41]
 

Phew thank god for forum warriors.

I shall bunker up by buying all ships up from jita.

I mean I don't want to have to pay real life cash for cyno kestrels now the wonderful detective work by my peers has discovered the removal of manufacturing from the game. So no missions, no asteroid belts, no anoms, no hulks and Mining lasers ever in the game.

You have to BUY your ships.

Thanks for not causing a scare with these revelations of the future of the game.

<golf clap> most OP about custom paint jobs Which have zero benefit to the poser / owner


Waaaaaaah waaaaaah waaaaah

Orlacc
Posted - 2011.06.17 21:34:00 - [42]
 

I swear this sounds like the Tea Partiers. "Why can't things be like they used to be?" "They are ruining our country/game." etc.

So'rren
Posted - 2011.06.17 21:48:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Orlacc
I swear this sounds like the Tea Partiers. "Why can't things be like they used to be?" "They are ruining our country/game." etc.


You're just mad that they're right.

Glasgow Dunlop
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:06:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Orlacc
I swear this sounds like the Tea Partiers. "Why can't things be like they used to be?" "They are ruining our country/game." etc.


i dont tea Shocked


Blood Fart
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:07:00 - [45]
 

"These include InstaClone, Dock-O-Matic, T1 and T2 releases of BlueprintNow!, and many more."

We're getting the BlueprintNow! customer enhancement when do we get the Dock-O-Matic?



Predatory Merchandising......works great on stupid people who sacrifice real necessities for fake internet monocles. Bravo to the guy who dug up the '08 fool's joke that is now reality.

pipvac
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:12:00 - [46]
 

I wonder how many people posting actually know anything about CCP's business at all? Just curious.

For those who don't already know...

CCP generates well in excess of Euro 40m per annum. Employing well over 400 people. With offices located in Iceland, UK (2 sites if you include the Dust514 dev office), USA and China.

A million miles away from where they were when Eve was in beta.

So is this a business or a passion? I think their actions speak louder than any haters, trolls or fanbois ever could.


Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:28:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Glasgow Dunlop

and its the acting like it thats the peev. rather than listing to players about stuff, good and bad, just it seems that its more on the bad side than good for me, and thought there some that are not implimented . . . we dont know.


This is a great point. We don't know :) Eve could implode a year from now, a meteor could also strike Iceland. Terrorists could hijack your plane. Are you going to drastically change your life in the meantime, or sit around worrying about these possibilities?

And if there's more on the bad side than good (FOR YOU), than that's fine too. CCP can't please everyone. Ever tried to train every skill in the game on one toon?? That would be about as feasible as CCP trying to fix every problem that players demand to be fixed. They can only do so much, and there will be winners, and losers.

I'll say it again, vanity items (including the "paying for it" part), walking in stations, even turret graphics, these are all elements that were originally player requested. YOU may not have requested them. But to say that CCP isn't listening, is a crock of pod-goo. They also responded to player reaction regarding the Ishukone Watch Scorp. By immediately catering to player demands. Is this behavior of a company that is paying no attention to its fanbase?

And on another note, never, ever, anywhere, has the idea of skillpoints-for-cash been seriously floated. But even in this thread, one person mentions it (and pretty sure he was joking) and there's already hostile responses. Talk about believing anything that's on the internet.

Eve has been around a while now, and is past the point when most MMO's start dying off. And there is more subscribers than ever before, the number is still growing. And every step of the way, every change, every expansion, there is a core group of naysayers that predicts New Eden's downfall.

I'm simply trying to encourage people to funnel their feedback efforts into constructive criticism, which has its place here, unlike the chicken little nonsense we see thread after thread after thread.


Glasgow Dunlop
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:39:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: pipvac
I wonder how many people posting actually know anything about CCP's business at all? Just curious.

For those who don't already know...

CCP generates well in excess of Euro 40m per annum. Employing well over 400 people. With offices located in Iceland, UK (2 sites if you include the Dust514 dev office), USA and China.

A million miles away from where they were when Eve was in beta.

So is this a business or a passion? I think their actions speak louder than any haters, trolls or fanbois ever could.




and how much of there time is spent trying to come up with stuff that will make the flight more better, if they have that many staff then maby the should bang some heads together and come up with some styuff thats common sense :) and that we would love, rather than put it down in games that wont see the light of day fro another year.

Blood Fart
Posted - 2011.06.17 22:53:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: pipvac
I wonder how many people posting actually know anything about CCP's business at all? Just curious.

For those who don't already know...

CCP generates well in excess of Euro 40m per annum. Employing well over 400 people. With offices located in Iceland, UK (2 sites if you include the Dust514 dev office), USA and China.

A million miles away from where they were when Eve was in beta.

So is this a business or a passion? I think their actions speak louder than any haters, trolls or fanbois ever could.




You must be new to business. CEOs and the bottom line will crush any passion you have. Just give them enough time and a golden parachute....

Lucilla Giulia
Posted - 2011.06.17 23:16:00 - [50]
 

Guess they'r tryin to make the game more interesting for future buyers.
Trim some fat here ("weird community", 3rd app fan developers), put some shinies there (t-shirts,tattoos, hello kitty ships etc), so that a big company (Sony maybe?)
might be actually interessed in it, 'cause everyone knows (really?) a sucesfull MMO(RPG) has to be somewhat like WOW/Aion/insert other cr.p here...

Well we just have to wait and see, atm these r just speculations...


Max Romeo
Posted - 2011.06.17 23:42:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Has CCP got any Nokia execs on the board?

Just wondering.


They have something worse than that : The largest shareholder has a few bil(3.5) in debt to EU banks, and since they're double the 2nd largest shareholder and 3x the largest actual CCP holder, it's fair to say that they're putting a heavy hand ontop of that pie, fingers left ages ago.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2010/07/22/actavis-idUKLDE66L1B020100722

And now you know why CCPs icelandic staff are all running to other offices ;)

IsoMetricanTaliac 2
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.17 23:57:00 - [52]
 


Yes it is hard to understand why they have waited until this time to introduce all these NEW costs & charges. It's sort of like they have thought well the numbers playing are dropping so we might as well now make as much as possible from those that remain before they decide it's time to leave also.

ALL these NEW charges yet, Botting is happening in plague proportions, There are several BIG alliance/coalitions blatantly taking part in/running the RMT problem with what looks to be some sort of protection, or they just have no fear of being caught. Super Carriers are way overpowered & it is once again being blatantly abused by certain people who are for want of a better word collecting more ways to make ISK to funnel into RMT.

Lag is worse than it has ever been before & it is beginning to look like more load will be thrown at the servers before the current one is worked out to lessen the effects of LAG.

The list could go on, the big one is attempting to make money from people who are making THEIR game more attractive to other players by creating 3rd party applications that help with many of the more confusing areas of the game for some. It's sort of like they are saying, "Well we can't or won't do anything about the RMTer's as we don't want to lose all those players so instead we will hit others that are doing the right thing in the pocket as there are less of them anyway" EmbarassedRolling EyesShocked

No I think CCP might find that this could be yet another reason for many people to call it a day on a game that is now becoming a cash grab. I guess in MMO terms 8 years is a very long time so who knows maybe CCP has found a trend of way more people leaving the game than joining up...


Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.06.18 00:01:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Hans Jagerblitzen on 18/06/2011 00:04:55
Oh, the sweet irony of players playing a game encouraging ruthless capitalism getting ****ed about the fact that their game is developed by *GASP* a for-profit corporation trying to make money.

EvE is not a co-op. You are not paying them to make the game to your liking. You are paying them for access to their servers and the data stored on it, in the form that it is.

I have complaints, gripes, wishes, and hopes about the direction this game could go as well. I've shared them in other forums, and asked questions and sometimes gotten answers. But if I honestly felt that the game was going to crash and burn, heading towards obsolescence or irrelevance, or I if I had serious moral judgement against the motives or actions of its proprietors, I would have an ethical obligation to stop paying and leave.

I simply think its tacky to pay someone for a product, have some lulz, than turn around and call them a jerk for ripping me off. Or worse, to continue paying someone for a product, have NO lulz, and gripe that they're ripping me off.

Edit:
Originally by: IsoMetricanTaliac 2

It's sort of like they have thought well the numbers playing are dropping so we might as well now make as much as possible from those that remain before they decide it's time to leave also.



Where do you get these numbers? That EvE is on the decline subscriber wise....

iCCP Sellout
Posted - 2011.06.18 04:52:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Leon Razor
I don't really support or agree with this post. Just came to say I think CCP Sellout would be a funny Dev name.


Oh, rly?

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.18 04:53:00 - [55]
 

the day CCP start ripping us off I'll just quit. you won't see any forum *****ing from me.


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