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Merik Landerhow
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:52:00 - [541]
 

65% delay? Sorry CCP but that's not the best way to show your skills. It's all most look like you don't know your own system.

Zak Arranda
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:53:00 - [542]
 

Originally by: Jonin Firetail
And this is why I set an 18 day skill queue. The hamsters always get overworked and start falling off their wheels for expansions. To all the people new to EVE. Welcome to CCP patch work.

Amen to that. I learned from the previous expansion when the servers were down for nearly a full day. By the time we get back up, I'll have lost nothing, and more than likely they will have granted us a small SP bonus for the extra downtime. Win for us, Jonin.

Bai Guang
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:54:00 - [543]
 

Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

Ok, at $15 per month for eve in approximately 3 months you would have enough to buy a $50 new release game. So you would be buying a minimum of 3 new games a year, we have what 1 expansion a year?.....somehow that math doesn't seem to add up for me. How is this free again?


Lets keep it apples to apples buddy. Take you $15/month and also apply that $50 purchase of the expansion as is the case with other _MMOs_, not just boxed software as your post would imply.

superNuts
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:55:00 - [544]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: superNuts
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp

for me it still says 21:30


Its says 23:30 right on Eve main page.
http://www.eveonline.com/

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gee wilikers! leaping lizards! holey rusted metal batman! im just gonna go drink beer

RHO SHA
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:55:00 - [545]
 

i guess i left 3days this month of extended downtimes and the hack attack ..did ccp dont like there users and do not payback the missed time? awesome strategie Razz

Reccemaster
Caldari
Valkyries CIE
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:55:00 - [546]
 

Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
Originally by: NightShadow X
Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
I'd like to play EVE, I'm paying for this time. we are approximately 15 hours past "normal" downtime, and nearly 5 hours past the original posted completion time. I don't think I'm being unreasonable questioning what is taking so long? Yet I am compelled to sit here and wait for something only a minority of eve players even care about.



Hey... I have an idea then...why don't we all just get forced to pay for the 15 FREE expansions that EVE has provided over the years...I think a lost day doesnt add up to the 30-40 bucks games like Warcraft make you pay for theirs...

Just sayin...but I like the free aspect of it all...it shows commitment, not to mention don't you think that they would all love to go home and rest like the rest of the business world instead of working solid?


Ok, at $15 per month for eve in approximately 3 months you would have enough to buy a $50 new release game. So you would be buying a minimum of 3 new games a year, we have what 1 expansion a year?.....somehow that math doesn't seem to add up for me. How is this free again?


I completely agree. If anyone thinks that we get ANYTHING for free... your an idiot. CCP are commercial. Eve is good value in my view, and they do somethings better than a lot of other developers... somethings are of course worse. I am however, under no illusion that my $15per month pays for the updates which allow CCP to continually develop the game to ensure retention of subscribers. If they couldn't do it for the $15 a month we pay - you really think they would? No. Nor do I. So that said. I pay for game time... so where is it. Yes... there is an update underway. But lets not get silly with the downtime. Having and extended DT to 23:30 is unacceptable. Refund or some Free kit plz CCP to the value of the time lost.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:56:00 - [547]
 

Originally by: superNuts
Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: superNuts
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp

for me it still says 21:30


Its says 23:30 right on Eve main page.
http://www.eveonline.com/

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gee wilikers! leaping lizards! holey rusted metal batman! im just gonna go drink beer


Likely the best idea I've heard today.

DiscomBoBulate
The Fantastically Pantless Sporkmen
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:57:00 - [548]
 

Edited by: DiscomBoBulate on 21/06/2011 21:06:52
Edited by: DiscomBoBulate on 21/06/2011 20:58:02
Originally by: Drund Thurison

If you do not like the results you are free to move on to a different game, as the boss would hire a new employee or the hiring body would hire a new construction company. What you have not seemed to grasp is that you do not have control of CCP at all. You are the one that agreed to their terms, not the other way around. As such, you can be as angry as you feel justified, but it will not make a single difference because you are bound to that agreement whether to read it or not. You scrolled to the bottom and clicked accept. Therefore, you can either accept the delay or move on to another game.


Ah ha, actually I do have control over CCP...let me introduce you to the power of the people. Watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbbYbXS4zRM

Estherenza
Caldari
Tesla Security
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:57:00 - [549]
 

Originally by: maczz
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4629&tid=1

EVE Online: Incarna 1.0 is currently being deployed. Database updates took longer than expected, and have performed additional updates to a level one mission arc. This has resulted in an extended downtime. We expect to open Tranquility to the players at 23:30 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


Ah, I see... I didn't click the link on the first news page, figured they'd update the front page over a link... weak...

Renard Voltaire
Posted - 2011.06.21 20:58:00 - [550]
 

Originally by: Ivan Kapustin
Sorry, but

сделано по-русски, сначала говорим одно, а когда сроки растягиваются надеемся на понимание)))

Я с вами CPP...


Did he just say "I love all you people of the world, my live is wonderful, and all is just so great, thank you"

How sweet of you!

Vedanul
Caldari
Thug's Squad
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:00:00 - [551]
 

Hey people, WE will install Incarna 1.0 21 June 2011 starting at 11.00, it will take 5 days to install.
... 12 hours later: WE worked so hard for you guys and we installed Incarna 1.0 in 10 hours, and we took a 2 hours coffee break ...you can now log in and play Eve ...


....A smart story from Vedanul

Pixx Harmon
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:02:00 - [552]
 

Originally by: Estherenza
Originally by: maczz
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=4629&tid=1

EVE Online: Incarna 1.0 is currently being deployed. Database updates took longer than expected, and have performed additional updates to a level one mission arc. This has resulted in an extended downtime. We expect to open Tranquility to the players at 23:30 UTC. Thank you for your understanding.


Ah, I see... I didn't click the link on the first news page, figured they'd update the front page over a link... weak...


I'm not defending or bashing CCP but let's be honest if you had the same percentage of hit or miss in your job you'd be looking for work. The only reason they can do it is because we, as players, have no where else to go...

NightShadow X
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:02:00 - [553]
 

Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
Originally by: NightShadow X
Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
I'd like to play EVE, I'm paying for this time. we are approximately 15 hours past "normal" downtime, and nearly 5 hours past the original posted completion time. I don't think I'm being unreasonable questioning what is taking so long? Yet I am compelled to sit here and wait for something only a minority of eve players even care about.



Hey... I have an idea then...why don't we all just get forced to pay for the 15 FREE expansions that EVE has provided over the years...I think a lost day doesnt add up to the 30-40 bucks games like Warcraft make you pay for theirs...

Just sayin...but I like the free aspect of it all...it shows commitment, not to mention don't you think that they would all love to go home and rest like the rest of the business world instead of working solid?



Ok, at $15 per month for eve in approximately 3 months you would have enough to buy a $50 new release game. So you would be buying a minimum of 3 new games a year, we have what 1 expansion a year?.....somehow that math doesn't seem to add up for me. How is this free again?


Well, Im paying 11 for starters, nad EVERY MMO game has issues at times = downtime. These EVE updates are FREE as we do not pay for them...and even in your scenario at 15 bucks a month with a full day of lost time... you are out a whopping 50 cents....and again using your scenario, buying a 50 dollar game at a financial loss rate of 50 cents per day...it would take you 8.3 years to save up for that...have fun man!

Isus Jarode
Gallente
Sons of Ivaldi
Zero Hour Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:02:00 - [554]
 

I hate to jump on the moaning bandwagon, but six and a half hours over the planned downtime is pretty bad, especially when said downtime was already ten hours anyhow. That's definitely a whole day of potential gameplay.

Don't get me wrong - I'd never quit the game outright over this, or bring up the tired argument of that "I'm paying for this," because we ALL are, including CCP - who is probably paying some serious overtime right now to their programmers. All I'm saying is that this delay is a serious hindrance to my customer service, and as much as I know that CCP is aware of it, I really do hope that they try to learn from this again and give us some sort of grievance - something small, even a simple apology in writing, because this is just ridiculous.

That said, I'll be happy when the actual update is complete, and while I'm not looking forward to the inevitable glitches and problems that always follow patches and major updates, it'll be nice to move on and get back to New Eden.

But come on CCP - let's keep up the pace and get this thing FINISHED.

Kal'Tyra
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:04:00 - [555]
 

Originally by: Renard Voltaire
Originally by: Ivan Kapustin
Sorry, but

сделано по-русски, сначала говорим одно, а когда сроки растягиваются надеемся на понимание)))

Я с вами CPP...


Did he just say "I love all you people of the world, my live is wonderful, and all is just so great, thank you"

How sweet of you!

google says he said
Quote:
done in Russian, at first saying one thing, but when time stretches hope for understanding)))

I am with you CPP ...


so I guess you're right, he loves everyone

DRberghaus
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:04:00 - [556]
 

Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
Originally by: NightShadow X
Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
I'd like to play EVE, I'm paying for this time. we are approximately 15 hours past "normal" downtime, and nearly 5 hours past the original posted completion time. I don't think I'm being unreasonable questioning what is taking so long? Yet I am compelled to sit here and wait for something only a minority of eve players even care about.



Hey... I have an idea then...why don't we all just get forced to pay for the 15 FREE expansions that EVE has provided over the years...I think a lost day doesnt add up to the 30-40 bucks games like Warcraft make you pay for theirs...

Just sayin...but I like the free aspect of it all...it shows commitment, not to mention don't you think that they would all love to go home and rest like the rest of the business world instead of working solid?


doh, u pay monthly for the servers, and the smolaggy (sometimes smooth sometimes laggy) game play.

Ok, at $15 per month for eve in approximately 3 months you would have enough to buy a $50 new release game. So you would be buying a minimum of 3 new games a year, we have what 1 expansion a year?.....somehow that math doesn't seem to add up for me. How is this free again?

Splatacus
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:07:00 - [557]
 

There is - of course- the nagging suspicion that EVE has gone too big and too complex for CCP. Maybe a lot of spaghetti code was written fast and furiously in Iceland and it now bites them in the backside.

I don't really mind - I like the slightly unpolished way CCP does things and heck, I now get some RL work done at least. But strategically it may be a good idea to think about selling the company to someone who can take care of these boring housecleaning things or useless eye candy patches and free the devs to actually build fun content.

Considering that DUST is released only on Playstation only, I would predict that Sony puts in an offer. They lack a solid MMORPG, have the market reach and - other than the recent snafus - have a solid reputation as a game company. Just saying. Anything would be better than Blizzard / Activision...

Lilly Gonzales
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:07:00 - [558]
 

Originally by: DRberghaus
Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
Originally by: NightShadow X
Originally by: DiscomBoBulate
I'd like to play EVE, I'm paying for this time. we are approximately 15 hours past "normal" downtime, and nearly 5 hours past the original posted completion time. I don't think I'm being unreasonable questioning what is taking so long? Yet I am compelled to sit here and wait for something only a minority of eve players even care about.



Hey... I have an idea then...why don't we all just get forced to pay for the 15 FREE expansions that EVE has provided over the years...I think a lost day doesnt add up to the 30-40 bucks games like Warcraft make you pay for theirs...

Just sayin...but I like the free aspect of it all...it shows commitment, not to mention don't you think that they would all love to go home and rest like the rest of the business world instead of working solid?


entweder gleich von anfang an sagen, das das server update länger dauert, oder nicht, einfach immer diese updates verlängern, finde ich ziemlich öde, für was zahlen wir alle, für updates???????????

doh, u pay monthly for the servers, and the smolaggy (sometimes smooth sometimes laggy) game play.

Ok, at $15 per month for eve in approximately 3 months you would have enough to buy a $50 new release game. So you would be buying a minimum of 3 new games a year, we have what 1 expansion a year?.....somehow that math doesn't seem to add up for me. How is this free again?


Mr Gharzul
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:07:00 - [559]
 

In a couple of hours it is not 21st of June here anymore...so hmmmm Incarna is coming 21st of June...well that is why I guess it is coming...it is still on its way...the journey began 21st of June...it will probably be here by tomorrow... :P

Soloura
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:08:00 - [560]
 

I hope CCP extends maintenance for another 8 hours!!! >=D

Estherenza
Caldari
Tesla Security
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:09:00 - [561]
 

Originally by: Drund Thurison
Originally by: DiscomBoBulate

So when your boss tells you that he "expects" you to finish a project by a certain deadline and you don't what usually happens? When a construction project is expected to finish by a certain date and doesn't what happens? When you are expected to show up in court for not paying your child support and you don't show up what happens? (I know you have issues with this). There are consequences when you fail to meet expectations. Please tell me what is the result of failed expectations with this game?


I'm sorry to inform you that these situations are not identical. Allow me to elaborate.

Firstly when a person becomes employed by a place of business often times they are the ones to have to sign the terms, not the employer. This is diametrically opposite of the client/service, since the receiver of the money has to do the signing. The employer has not signed a form that allows the provider of the work to change the deadline as they need. If the employee fails at meeting deadline it is within the employer's right to terminate employment, as you are free to stop paying CCP for their service.

When a construction company takes on a job they sign a contract setting a legally reinforced completion date. If it is not completed the company is dropped from the contract without being paid. Again here the receiver of the money is the primary signer of the agreement, with the hiring body signing merely to say the company will be paid upon completion.

As for your third example, since it both is a feeble attempt at a personal attack and not a cash for service situation, I do not feel obligated to explain it to you.

What we have with an EVE Online account has a very distinct difference with the above situations: You are both the one to sign the agreement and the one supplying money. If you do not like the results you are free to move on to a different game, as the boss would hire a new employee or the hiring body would hire a new construction company. What you have not seemed to grasp is that you do not have control of CCP at all. You are the one that agreed to their terms, not the other way around. As such, you can be as angry as you feel justified, but it will not make a single difference because you are bound to that agreement whether to read it or not. You scrolled to the bottom and clicked accept. Therefore, you can either accept the delay or move on to another game.


+1 because this a well thought out argument, and every word of it is true...
-1 because this is part f what is wrong with the free market economy, corporations are no longer held accountable for shoddy craftsmanship, failed deadlines and poor customer service because now we have no choice, it's either their way or you can get your skittles somewhere else...

CCP can help change the world for the better if they hold themselves accountable over giving us the finger and telling us to shove off... Which they have have done neither in this case, it's just sucks that they're having a hard time and everyone is frustrated. But you still get the -1 for not wanting some kind of compensation and just accepting that because it's in your EULA that "That's just the way it is..."

Companies should respect their customer and be willing to provide some compensation for a full day of downtime, no matter how small it is just so that we know that they have a respect for us and want us to continue to playing Eve and not move to Vendetta, because in the end, WE'RE paying THEIR paychecks and they AREN'T paying MY or YOUR paychecks, right...?

Kal'Tyra
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:10:00 - [562]
 

Originally by: Splatacus
There is - of course- the nagging suspicion that EVE has gone too big and too complex for CCP. Maybe a lot of spaghetti code was written fast and furiously in Iceland and it now bites them in the backside.



the chief of the QC team of Eve was saying almost that during the alliance tournament on eve-TV, too big, impossible to test, unimaginable to take apart and remake, so they were running after the bugs

jayhawk03
Caldari
5 Inch Incorporated
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:10:00 - [563]
 

Edited by: jayhawk03 on 21/06/2011 21:14:14


guys u need to carm the f down they are basiclly redesigning the hole interface of eve to bring it up to standards your only moan about in the future


the never charge us to expansions do what can u guys wait a extra couple hours your only exploit moan about bugs and stuff if everythign waste right so just be patiant

Estherenza
Caldari
Tesla Security
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:11:00 - [564]
 

Originally by: TTPmaverick
now this is runing in to usa playing time GOOD about time they got a bit of painEvil or Very Mad


Whaaaaaaat? I'm in the USA and have been on Eve since '07, and I have suffered PLENTY, trust me...

Claude Moriarty
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:11:00 - [565]
 

Originally by: Splatacus
I would predict that Sony puts in an offer. They lack a solid MMORPG...


Thought they owned/published Everquest? Although whether or not Everquest is 'solid' is certainly up for discussion I guess... Laughing

gutterbawl
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:11:00 - [566]
 

Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: superNuts
Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: superNuts
http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp

for me it still says 21:30


Its says 23:30 right on Eve main page.
http://www.eveonline.com/

AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gee wilikers! leaping lizards! holey rusted metal batman! im just gonna go drink beer


Likely the best idea I've heard today.

beer hell, captain morgan and dr. pepper, that way by the time it does come back up, ill be too drunk too fly

DiscomBoBulate
The Fantastically Pantless Sporkmen
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:12:00 - [567]
 

Originally by: NightShadow X

Well, Im paying 11 for starters, nad EVERY MMO game has issues at times = downtime. These EVE updates are FREE as we do not pay for them...and even in your scenario at 15 bucks a month with a full day of lost time... you are out a whopping 50 cents....and again using your scenario, buying a 50 dollar game at a financial loss rate of 50 cents per day...it would take you 8.3 years to save up for that...have fun man!



You only forgot one thing...My time is billed out at $450 an hour, so 6 hours of my time when I would have been available to play their game and they were unable to comply with their end of the agreement that to me is $2700. That's alot of $50 dollar games :smug:

Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:12:00 - [568]
 

Edited by: Arithron on 21/06/2011 21:14:25
I love the tears of teenagers whining about X hours of DT for an expansion. If you calculated how many hours in total Eve is down for upgrades (which incidently make Eve a richer and better place to play in) I suspect you'd be out of pocket a few $. Big deal.

Eve is, IMO, an excellent game and well worth waiting the odd time for expansions to be deployed. I think this because they make the game better- think of the current expansion and what it is laying the groundworks for; a major improvement and leap forward which will eventually allow for a much richer game.

If you don't value these expansions and whine about losing a few cents- p*ss off and play something else, I don't want you playing Eve...although you still will, because you know its the best of its type out there.

Love and kisses,
Ari

Pixx Harmon
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:13:00 - [569]
 

Originally by: Estherenza
Originally by: TTPmaverick
now this is runing in to usa playing time GOOD about time they got a bit of painEvil or Very Mad


Whaaaaaaat? I'm in the USA and have been on Eve since '07, and I have suffered PLENTY, trust me...


This has the feel of SWG and that worked out great :/

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.06.21 21:13:00 - [570]
 

Originally by: jayhawk03
Edited by: jayhawk03 on 21/06/2011 21:10:32
guys u need to carm the f down they are basicll redesigning the how interface of eve to bring it up to standards your only moan about in the future



Most are not raging that they can't login, just about the incompetence of CCP.

They could be designing code for nuclear fission for all i care, you test it, and if it's not finished, don't deploy.


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