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Mr Cocojambo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.17 07:04:00 - [1]
 

Hi 0/

I know i have seen it here before, but i cant seem to find it now, so i ask for your help Embarassed
What i want is to train up a few hi-sec gankers to solo-gank Hulk's and Retrievers.
A tempest is the likely choice (?).
BUT, is there a skillplan out there available for starter-chars?

I am using EVE-mon and have set up "a" skillplan, but im not familiar with Minnies and hence im not sure wether the skillplan i got is any good or not (to much skills/to few?).

A link to such a skillplan would be much apreciated Very Happy

Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.06.17 12:30:00 - [2]
 

Gallente frigate 3, destroyers 4, small hybrid turret, propulsion jamming 2.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.06.17 13:53:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Mona X
Gallente frigate 3, destroyers 4, small hybrid turret, propulsion jamming 2.


This really.

A catalyst will take out an untanked mining ship quite easily.

You will also need weapons upgrades and possible AWU to fit all 8 guns. If you have ISK to burn on a gank ship, use meta 4 blasters, faction antimatter ammo, and 3 mag stabs in the lows.

Grab EFT and start playing around Very Happy


Mr Cocojambo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.17 13:53:00 - [4]
 

So ure suggesting a catalyst? Would that give enough punch to pop a Hulk before Concord arrives? Shocked

Daniela Darr
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.17 14:41:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Mr Cocojambo
So ure suggesting a catalyst? Would that give enough punch to pop a Hulk before Concord arrives? Shocked

Of course not,

Hulks have far, far more hp than Retrievers so depending on their setup it's very hard to gank Hulks. The builds people are proposing are meant to group gank exhumers.

Mr Cocojambo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.17 17:39:00 - [6]
 

phew.. Surprised Laughing

Now, i am talking about solo-ganking ALL kinds of exhumers, including Hulk. Sorry if my first post did not illustrate that.
So then i am back to believing a minnie-path to Tempest (due to alpha ive been told) would be a good choice.

So a "tempest-gank-fit-skillplan" would be much appreciated..

Koramok
Amarr
Cold Carbon Institute
Posted - 2011.06.17 18:11:00 - [7]
 

Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.

Cochat
Posted - 2011.06.17 20:07:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Koramok
Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.


i'm pretty certain it's part of the game...if someone really wants to kill you in this game they will. also...moar tears plz...

Skorpynekomimi
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.18 05:26:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Koramok
Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.


It's like cow-tipping. Only these cows drop ore and expensive modules. And you end up paying more to replace your ship afterwards because you just pushed mineral prices that bit higher.

Daniela Darr
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.18 18:04:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Koramok
Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.

Because people are bored.

I likegirls
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.19 05:14:00 - [11]
 

I think I am going to go suicide gank a hulk when I get home because of this.

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2011.06.20 17:38:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Koramok
Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.


Actually my daughter has suicided more than a few ships in here Eve life, and she's only 6 years old.

Koramok
Amarr
Cold Carbon Institute
Posted - 2011.06.20 18:01:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Daniela Darr
Originally by: Koramok
Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.

Because people are bored.



I think you're right.

Koramok
Amarr
Cold Carbon Institute
Posted - 2011.06.20 18:04:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Cochat
Originally by: Koramok
Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.


i'm pretty certain it's part of the game...if someone really wants to kill you in this game they will. also...moar tears plz...


Thanks for reinforcing my point about immaturity.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.06.20 21:24:00 - [15]
 

You need to do about 10,000 damage to destroy the typical un-tanked Hulk (99.99999999%)

It is impossible to tank a Mackinaw.

Artillery Thrasher are popular. Battleships with smartbombs for larger ops.

Demolishar
Posted - 2011.06.21 05:01:00 - [16]
 

I think you'll find making throw-away alts for grief-play purposes is an exploit. HTH.

Mr Cocojambo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.21 11:23:00 - [17]
 

Dont plan to throw them away at all.. Wink

I am making new alts for duration purposes, but in the process i want to gank some of our enemies in a hi-sec pocket where they are hiding from us.

And please, to all those who post that ganking in hi is immature.. This is not hellokittyonline. This is EVE!

But to put your fragile minds to rest, they have ganked our Hulks too.

Thanks to those who answered the question.

My Postman
Posted - 2011.06.21 13:54:00 - [18]
 

My (always!) tanked Hulk has got 25k EHP. Good luck to bring that alpha with a single ship (highsec). If you find hulks with civilian shield boosters fitted, they deserve to die.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.06.21 14:44:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: My Postman
My (always!) tanked Hulk has got 25k EHP. Good luck to bring that alpha with a single ship (highsec). If you find hulks with civilian shield boosters fitted, they deserve to die.

Tanked Hulks are very rare beasts (maybe just ours?). Just look at the Hulkageddon killboard.

My Postman
Posted - 2011.06.22 10:39:00 - [20]
 

The first hulk i was looking at the KB at least had a bit of a tank fitted (only one empty med slot), while the next two didŽnt fit a tank at all (empty midslots). DidŽnt look further. As i said before, imo they deserved to die.

Yann Xonogoth
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.23 08:56:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Yann Xonogoth on 23/06/2011 08:56:54
One thing I dont understand:

Sure you *can* do it. But it really worth something?!
The ore will be what, low-end ore? Worth what, even if the cargo is full 2-3m maximum.
(assuming you can haul it after you ganker-ship is destroyed by Concord... as you said you plan to do it solo?)
So the only benefit would be the ship equipment, right?
Stripminers and a few cargo expanders?
Is it worth losing a ship with equipment on it, on something which can turn into a total fiasco if the Hulk manage to tank you?

Miss Mish
Caldari
Zhinu
Posted - 2011.06.24 12:52:00 - [22]
 

Besides, i think ganking l4 missionrunners will get you more tears, not that i condone it, but suiciding miners just seems like going in to a kindergarden and bashing away until SWAT takes you out.

Evozer Olacar
Posted - 2011.06.25 14:42:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Yann Xonogoth
Edited by: Yann Xonogoth on 23/06/2011 08:56:54
One thing I dont understand:

Sure you *can* do it. But it really worth something?!
The ore will be what, low-end ore? Worth what, even if the cargo is full 2-3m maximum.
(assuming you can haul it after you ganker-ship is destroyed by Concord... as you said you plan to do it solo?)
So the only benefit would be the ship equipment, right?
Stripminers and a few cargo expanders?
Is it worth losing a ship with equipment on it, on something which can turn into a total fiasco if the Hulk manage to tank you?


I've salvaged a hulk once. Got 3 Intact Armor Plates. Of course I was lucky but just saying it's possible.

grumpyguts1
Posted - 2011.06.27 01:01:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Skorpynekomimi
Originally by: Koramok
Suicide ganking hulks is immature assinine griefing. Why is this still popular? I swear it seems that half of the people playing EvE are 12 year old playground bully types.


It's like cow-tipping. Only these cows drop ore and expensive modules. And you end up paying more to replace your ship afterwards because you just pushed mineral prices that bit higher.


If you consider strip miners and some shield modules as expensive loot.. then you doing something very wrong in this game..

Ildryn
Posted - 2011.06.27 06:25:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tau Cabalander
You need to do about 10,000 damage to destroy the typical un-tanked Hulk (99.99999999%)

It is impossible to tank a Mackinaw.

Artillery Thrasher are popular. Battleships with smartbombs for larger ops.


Can't post the killmail or the link. But i am sure if you looked for my name on Battleclinic you could find at least 4 hulks i solo ganked that were untanked.
Tempest does not have enough highslots. It's bonus is rate of fire.
Use a ship with more high slots with arty for alpha.
Battleclinic.
Hulk
Lost in Iidoken (0.8) to Ildryn
On 2011/05/25 19:36 hrs
Value of destroyed items: 204.61 mil ISK
Value of dropped items: 6.48 mil ISK
4,922 Damage Points 2.8564
1400mm Carbine Howitzer I 4,222
Garde 1 700



Cage Shadownsun
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.27 18:08:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Yann Xonogoth
Edited by: Yann Xonogoth on 23/06/2011 08:56:54
One thing I dont understand:

Sure you *can* do it. But it really worth something?!
The ore will be what, low-end ore? Worth what, even if the cargo is full 2-3m maximum.
(assuming you can haul it after you ganker-ship is destroyed by Concord... as you said you plan to do it solo?)
So the only benefit would be the ship equipment, right?
Stripminers and a few cargo expanders?
Is it worth losing a ship with equipment on it, on something which can turn into a total fiasco if the Hulk manage to tank you?


You don't gank high-sec miners for money, dear boy. You do it for the reaction.

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.06.28 04:33:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Llambda on 28/06/2011 04:40:12
Quote:
Tempest does not have enough highslots. It's bonus is rate of fire.


Tempest has both a rate of fire and raw damage bonus. All else being equal, it will out-alpha a 1400-fit armageddon provided you have at least minmatar battleship 4. You can still outdamage it with an apoc, though, if you're only putting 1400s on the tempest. It's still possible to squeeze a pair of launchers on there, too, which probably makes it a wash.

Sven Hammerstorm
Posted - 2011.06.28 09:48:00 - [28]
 

All V, tempest is better than apoc if you are in 0.5 system, you get 2 volleys with the tempest

Mabah Vin
Posted - 2011.06.29 10:19:00 - [29]
 

Well, if you've been on EVE for any length of time then you should know the answer.

1. Load as much firepower on a cheap frig or destroyer that you can pile on.

2. Lock on to target and let her rip..

3. Start counting..1..2..3...4..and see how far you can count before Concorde smokes you.


See..simple.


Yin Utada
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:23:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Yin Utada on 30/06/2011 09:30:50
Edited by: Yin Utada on 30/06/2011 09:23:30
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: My Postman
My (always!) tanked Hulk has got 25k EHP. Good luck to bring that alpha with a single ship (highsec). If you find hulks with civilian shield boosters fitted, they deserve to die.

Tanked Hulks are very rare beasts (maybe just ours?). Just look at the Hulkageddon killboard.



Speaking of this glorious event, is it true that it is no more and that Helicity was banned?

About fits

[Catalyst, exhumer hunter]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I

Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S
Modal Light Neutron Particle Accelerator I, Antimatter Charge S

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

282 DPS
713 volley

and

[Thrasher, PWN]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
J5 Prototype Warp Disruptor I
[empty med slot]

280mm Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP S
280mm Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP S
280mm Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP S
280mm Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP S
280mm Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP S
280mm Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP S
280mm Prototype I Siege Cannon, EMP S
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

127 DPS
1048 volley


Those are what I could come up with. I think the catalyst is a better option. The only issue I can imagine is not being fast enough to catch them (provided they look at the screen), with ~330 m/s .

Never ganked exhumers but I feel inspired to do it now...

EDIT: come to think of it a ship scanner to decide fitting may be useful


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