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A Blinker
Posted - 2011.06.17 04:05:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: A Blinker on 17/06/2011 04:13:38

i am needing to get new graphic card..

8800gtx at the mo but being a student i can go all out on one unfort, what do you reccomend for about 150 ($210) that could least run 1 eve of full graphic smoothly and 2 ok, 3 standard ish

looking at EVGA GTX450 OR Palit SONIC nVIDIA GTX 460 Geforce 1GB ( that one nice as can plug 3 monitors lol)

what you all thing

Nariya Kentaya
Coalition Of Gentlemen.
Posted - 2011.06.17 04:22:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: A Blinker
Edited by: A Blinker on 17/06/2011 04:13:38

i am needing to get new graphic card..

8800gtx at the mo but being a student i can go all out on one unfort, what do you reccomend for about 150 ($210) that could least run 1 eve of full graphic smoothly and 2 ok, 3 standard ish

looking at EVGA GTX450 OR Palit SONIC nVIDIA GTX 460 Geforce 1GB ( that one nice as can plug 3 monitors lol)

what you all thing


persaonlly i would just buy bill gates a beer and while hes drunk ask him for one of his as-of-yet unreleased supercomputers, and see how far that gets ya, its cheap, and only takes like 1 night.

on a more serious note, nVIDIA gtx 460 should work fine, just make sure the rest of your computer is up to date too.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.17 09:23:00 - [3]
 

145 GBP - 1GB Asus GeForce GTX 560
It's about 20% faster than a GTX 460, give or take, and fits your budget.

NeoShocker
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.06.17 21:50:00 - [4]
 

I'm liking my 470 after replacing my dead SLI 8800GTs.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.17 23:18:00 - [5]
 

More info on your system please!

There's no point in upgrading your graphics card if you've only got 1gb ram or a single core cpu, among other things. You'll spend 150 quid on that card and notice that there's hardly any improvement.

Amaroq Dricaldari
Amarr
Vengeance Industrial Militia
Posted - 2011.06.17 23:30:00 - [6]
 

Two GTX 470s or one GTX 580 is enough.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.18 00:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari
Two GTX 470s or one GTX 580 is enough.


On a budget of 150 quid? ;p

I assume the OP is also using a midrange Core 2 Duo, which tops out at a GTX260 or a Radeon 4850 - No point getting any faster graphics card for one of those since the CPU can't keep up.

Again, need specs of the whole system.

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.18 00:39:00 - [8]
 

the Nvidea 560 and 560 Ti go on sale often enough, these are wonderful cards with plenty of power to run 2 clients. Now 3 clients might be a little iffy depending on if the card can concurrently load 3 arrays of EVE assets in its memory. I can guarantee that it runs 3x, i cant guarantee that it will run smooth.

That being said i think the AMD 6970 cards have upwards of 2gb of onboard memory where as a comperable in price Nvidea 570 has 1.28gb. Below these two cards there is really only the 1gb of space. Both of these weigh in at about $350 however, but i put theme here for completeness.


Daelorn
Posted - 2011.06.18 02:46:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Akita T
145 GBP - 1GB Asus GeForce GTX 560
It's about 20% faster than a GTX 460, give or take, and fits your budget.


+1

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.18 09:01:00 - [10]
 

What resolution are you running each client in?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.18 09:10:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 09:14:01

Originally by: Amaroq Dricaldari
Two GTX 470s or one GTX 580 is enough.

And you can buy either of that NOW for the 150 GBP budget cap of the OP where exactly ? Imaginationland ?
Or when can you buy that at that price ? 2016 ?

Also, as Reiisha says, it would be somewhat helpful to know what system specs the OP has, and what total screen resolution (if using more than 1 monitor) does he plan to run stuff in (and at what AA level).
If his CPU is really, really crappy, and he only has a single monitor that's not even FHD, and doesn't care about high AA levels, then yeah, his machine could easily become CPU-bottlenecked even with a weaker/cheaper video card.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.18 12:09:00 - [12]
 

that said, I'm intending to upgrade my 8800 GT to a 6770 vaporX. this way I don't need to touch on the PSU (both cards have same energy consumption).

wonder if it's enough for a Q6600 or should I go for lower....

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.18 12:26:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 12:36:03

Originally by: Grimpak
8800 GT to a 6770 vaporX [...]wonder if it's enough for a Q6600 or should I go for lower....

I guess it would depend on the resolution you want to play in (and on whether you enable AA at all or not), and more importantly, on whether the game you play has any clue on how to use more than a single CPU core.

Assuming you're talking similar graphics details to what you use now, when you game next time, see if any of the CPU cores stays over 50% constantly (or if on average you go over 50% constantly).
If it does not, you're safe.
If it does, you might still be somewhat safe if you're already sort of happy with the FPS you get and you mainly want to improve your graphics detail quality.

P.S. For EVE, in particular, unless you want to go to the lowest graphic detail settings, a Q6600 should be quite enough for a HD 6770 even inside CQ.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.18 12:56:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 12:36:03

Originally by: Grimpak
8800 GT to a 6770 vaporX [...]wonder if it's enough for a Q6600 or should I go for lower....

I guess it would depend on the resolution you want to play in (and on whether you enable AA at all or not), and more importantly, on whether the game you play has any clue on how to use more than a single CPU core.

Assuming you're talking similar graphics details to what you use now, when you game next time, see if any of the CPU cores stays over 50% constantly (or if on average you go over 50% constantly).
If it does not, you're safe.
If it does, you might still be somewhat safe if you're already sort of happy with the FPS you get and you mainly want to improve your graphics detail quality.

P.S. For EVE, in particular, unless you want to go to the lowest graphic detail settings, a Q6600 should be quite enough for a HD 6770 even inside CQ.



all 4 cores go for 65% and upwards. In EVE however, I do get some performance drop if I turn AA, specially considering I'm playing in fixed window mode over screen and half. Even using V-sync it does feel that it can't go farther than 60fps, and it seems to average on the 40's with this resolution (res is about 2100x900). the reasons for such card isn't just because of performance however. they are considerably more cooler and silent than the one I currently have, besides being smaller, thus not clogging up the case.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.18 14:35:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 14:48:09

Is this XP or Win7 ?
We are talking single EVE client here, or multiple EVE clients ? Or maybe you are speaking of other games you usually play ?

If single EVE client (with interval immediate, for benchmark purposes), do all of your cores still go up to almost 65% ? If yes, then that's odd.
Especially with the current build of EVE, in single client, I would find it extremely unusual if all of your four cores showed noticeable activity, and if more than one would ever go near 65%.

My i5-760 quad core CPU is allegedly only about 50% faster than yours (and only 17% faster just by frequency), and I usually only operate a single screen at 1600x1200 (so you should have noticeably more total screen realestate in pixels, so more relative strain on the GPU), but the worst CPU usage I ever noticed (single client with vsynch off, AA off, max everything else, 1600x1024 fixed window) was something like 45%/35%/10%/5% or thereabouts about half a year ago, and with the current client it's more like 40%/25%/15%/5%. Win7 over here, latest NVIDIA drivers.

But as you put it, there are other advantages to getting that graphics card anyway.
Even if you'd get single-CPU-core-limited, you can always just push some AA if you want to be GPU-limited again in single client, or run a second client to use up some of the other cores' power.
Wink

A Blinker
Posted - 2011.06.18 16:30:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: A Blinker on 18/06/2011 16:31:03

Windows 7 and have 2 accounts, but rare i duel box but thats all to replying

the more choices the better as can compare and being a new Dad every penny helps

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.18 17:41:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: A Blinker
Edited by: A Blinker on 18/06/2011 16:31:03

Windows 7 and have 2 accounts, but rare i duel box but thats all to replying

the more choices the better as can compare and being a new Dad every penny helps


Still need to know what CPU you have, and how much memory (RAM). Operating system doesn't matter as much, the difference between XP and 7 is only noticable if you have less than 2GB RAM (in favor of XP).

Also, Grimpak raised a good point, what power supply do you have (brand and watts)?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.06.18 18:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Akita T
145 GBP - 1GB Asus GeForce GTX 560
It's about 20% faster than a GTX 460, give or take, and fits your budget.
I agree with this.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.18 18:43:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 14:48:09

Is this XP or Win7 ?
We are talking single EVE client here, or multiple EVE clients ? Or maybe you are speaking of other games you usually play ?

If single EVE client (with interval immediate, for benchmark purposes), do all of your cores still go up to almost 65% ? If yes, then that's odd.
Especially with the current build of EVE, in single client, I would find it extremely unusual if all of your four cores showed noticeable activity, and if more than one would ever go near 65%.

My i5-760 quad core CPU is allegedly only about 50% faster than yours (and only 17% faster just by frequency), and I usually only operate a single screen at 1600x1200 (so you should have noticeably more total screen realestate in pixels, so more relative strain on the GPU), but the worst CPU usage I ever noticed (single client with vsynch off, AA off, max everything else, 1600x1024 fixed window) was something like 45%/35%/10%/5% or thereabouts about half a year ago, and with the current client it's more like 40%/25%/15%/5%. Win7 over here, latest NVIDIA drivers.

But as you put it, there are other advantages to getting that graphics card anyway.
Even if you'd get single-CPU-core-limited, you can always just push some AA if you want to be GPU-limited again in single client, or run a second client to use up some of the other cores' power.
Wink
whoops, mistake there. thought it was % usage but it was infact temps I was readingEmbarassed

CPU usage is spreading somewhat around like yours (altho it's more like 10/40/15/20), this in interval immediate inside stations, where I'm getting 60fps.
gfx card is nearly maxed out, reaching the 85C with fan going at nearly full speed.
CPU usage doesn't vary much when going from interval immediate to default, altho framerate drops to 30fps inside station and the card starts running much less audible.

and I'm using vista.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.18 19:18:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 19:23:58
Originally by: Grimpak
whoops, mistake there. thought it was % usage but it was infact temps I was reading. CPU usage is spreading somewhat around like yours

Pretty safe to say you won't be anywhere near maxing out your CPU even after you upgrade to the 6770 as long as you stick with EVE.
Wink
Quote:
CPU usage doesn't vary much when going from interval immediate to default

In the NVIDIA control panel, under manage 3D settings, you might want to disable triple buffering (default enabled) and select max pre-rendered frames to 1 or even 0 (from the default of 3), see if you notice any difference.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.18 19:38:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 19:23:58
Originally by: Grimpak
whoops, mistake there. thought it was % usage but it was infact temps I was reading. CPU usage is spreading somewhat around like yours

Pretty safe to say you won't be anywhere near maxing out your CPU even after you upgrade to the 6770 as long as you stick with EVE.
Wink
Quote:
CPU usage doesn't vary much when going from interval immediate to default

In the NVIDIA control panel, under manage 3D settings, you might want to disable triple buffering (default enabled) and select max pre-rendered frames to 1 or even 0 (from the default of 3), see if you notice any difference.
hmmm... I have all that on already, xcept triple buffering.

framerate drops a bit when I disable triple buffering, but only a tiny bit.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.18 19:48:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 19:48:56
Originally by: Grimpak
framerate drops a bit when I disable triple buffering, but only a tiny bit.

Yeah, but does the CPU usage drop or not ? Wink
And any differences (FPS or CPU usage) with interval immediate vs interval one ?
Test it both for 0 and 1 max pre-rendered.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.06.18 20:04:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 18/06/2011 19:48:56
Originally by: Grimpak
framerate drops a bit when I disable triple buffering, but only a tiny bit.

Yeah, but does the CPU usage drop or not ? Wink
And any differences (FPS or CPU usage) with interval immediate vs interval one ?
Test it both for 0 and 1 max pre-rendered.
a bit for the first.
on the second there is also a small cpu decrease.

A Blinker
Posted - 2011.07.17 08:28:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Reiisha
More info on your system please!

There's no point in upgrading your graphics card if you've only got 1gb ram or a single core cpu, among other things. You'll spend 150 quid on that card and notice that there's hardly any improvement.



AMD Phenom 9550 Quad-core 2.2 (not overclocked)
4BG ram DDR2
windows 7 64bit

non SLI only 1 PCI express unfort


not tech person so not to sure what details you need


 

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