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Cora Noo
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:13:00 - [31]
 

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Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?


I think many "console kiddies" are as dedicated to their game as EVE players are to EVE. But the lifetime of most FPS is really short compared to EVE, so they move on faster.

And well, perhaps EVE isn`t quite like COD... but Dust will be quite like COD. So perhaps you will want the typical COD "kid" to fight for your alliance since they most likely will beat the crap out of the 30+ EVE player trying space-COD^^

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:19:00 - [32]
 

I'll not let a dust player have my back Shocked

Riley Moore
Sentinum Research
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:20:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Riley Moore on 16/06/2011 11:20:57

The only good Dust console player is the one in front of my siege cannons.

I hope we can hire them, then when they finish, friendly fire to get our isk back!




Rustynail79
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:38:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Rustynail79 on 16/06/2011 11:39:49
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.

Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.

But this doesnt change this:

Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.

To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?

Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.


If any eve FC is thinking about doing this for you own sake dont as it will end badly. I have close to a decades experience in FPS and the most likely out come if you try and boss FPS players around espeacially the way FC do in eve they will just shot you in the face and then teabag you. Think of all the nasty horrible crap that goes on in eve then times it by a thousand and then put it on roids and your only about half way there on how nasty and vile the FPS crowd can be. Your average FPS player will kill YOU for just looking at a vehical they want, Your average FPS player will kill YOU if you give away there posistion, Your average FPS player will kill YOU and corps hump you if you steal THEIR kill and so on and so on.

EDIT: YOU = Teammate

Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:38:00 - [35]
 


Tirachi Griffin
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:42:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Cora Noo
Quote:
Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?


I think many "console kiddies" are as dedicated to their game as EVE players are to EVE. But the lifetime of most FPS is really short compared to EVE, so they move on faster.

And well, perhaps EVE isn`t quite like COD... but Dust will be quite like COD. So perhaps you will want the typical COD "kid" to fight for your alliance since they most likely will beat the crap out of the 30+ EVE player trying space-COD^^


Nicely put, I know a couple of 14-15 year old kids that could annihilate an entire enemy team in COD single handedly (using xbox). All they did when they got home from school was the cursory attention to homework and then it's pew pew time every day for the rest of the day.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:44:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Cyaxares II on 16/06/2011 11:44:32

If sov gets indeed tied to DUST the result could be a huge boost to those alliances that recruit from OOG communities - namely Goonswarm Federation and TEST would probably have a very easy time recruiting DUST players to their cause from the SA and reddit communities.

Communities that only exist around EVE will probably have to fall back on internal recruitment and convince their members to buy Playstations...

Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:05:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 12:06:36
Originally by: Rustynail79
Edited by: Rustynail79 on 16/06/2011 11:39:49
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.

Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.

But this doesnt change this:

Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.

To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?

Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.


If any eve FC is thinking about doing this for you own sake dont as it will end badly. I have close to a decades experience in FPS and the most likely out come if you try and boss FPS players around espeacially the way FC do in eve they will just shot you in the face and then teabag you. Think of all the nasty horrible crap that goes on in eve then times it by a thousand and then put it on roids and your only about half way there on how nasty and vile the FPS crowd can be. Your average FPS player will kill YOU for just looking at a vehical they want, Your average FPS player will kill YOU if you give away there posistion, Your average FPS player will kill YOU and corps hump you if you steal THEIR kill and so on and so on.

EDIT: YOU = Teammate



I said a good fleet commander, not an ******* fleet commander. For the record ive been playing FPSs since 1993 and im pretty sure some eve fleet commanders have been as well.

Sir Oliver Midwestshire
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:31:00 - [39]
 

I don't trust console players even when I'm playing on a console. They are unpredictable, one second they are taking things seriously, the next they are intentionally trying to loose.

That's why when DUST hits my corp will have it's dreadnought ready to nuke them from orbit at the first sign of stupidity.

Rustynail79
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:32:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 12:06:36
Originally by: Rustynail79
Edited by: Rustynail79 on 16/06/2011 11:39:49

If any eve FC is thinking about doing this for you own sake dont as it will end badly. I have close to a decades experience in FPS and the most likely out come if you try and boss FPS players around espeacially the way FC do in eve they will just shot you in the face and then teabag you. Think of all the nasty horrible crap that goes on in eve then times it by a thousand and then put it on roids and your only about half way there on how nasty and vile the FPS crowd can be. Your average FPS player will kill YOU for just looking at a vehical they want, Your average FPS player will kill YOU if you give away there posistion, Your average FPS player will kill YOU and corps hump you if you steal THEIR kill and so on and so on.

EDIT: YOU = Teammate



I said a good fleet commander, not an ******* fleet commander. For the record ive been playing FPSs since 1993 and im pretty sure some eve fleet commanders have been as well.


I wasn't having a pop at you man just giving you a warning. As your an experienced FPS player you will know what ive put in bold is the truth. The FPS crowd are a hard bunch to organize they're like a pack of rabid pit bulls. You've just got to point them at the enemy and let them loose. Then hope they don't tair each other to pieces and if your lucky they will clump together into small groups and work together.

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:51:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama

Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.


I suspect most Eve players wouldn't have the patience to operate in a 70 player fleet either. As long as *enough* Dust players can put up with all the tedium of logistics, they'll have to numbers to facilitate Sov warfare. Also they did point out that Dust matches will be much shorter than the typical fleet op

Sarah Scarlett Mackenzie
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:52:00 - [42]
 

Well, if its released i can shoot the crap out of my own char. :P

Davich MacGregor
Minmatar
Stellar Products and Quality Resources
Posted - 2011.06.16 13:03:00 - [43]
 

A ten year old kid has your back? Yeah right. LMAO

Blackjack EvE
Posted - 2011.06.16 13:38:00 - [44]
 

Now Imagine a 0.0 care-bear having tens of billions to toss around ... well no ship or module I want anymore so rain some havoc on planets ... If you can go anywhere in eve yes anywhere no matter system lock down (cyno jam) or not it will be interesting to see what ship you need because if I can load myself on a black ops and jump into safe heavens 0.0 farmland of who ever I want then the wonderful chaos will be a wasteland of planets left behind me.

It was only console now it`s Ps3 only, in my case is wonderful news because I won`t have to deal with the 360 fail crowd from games like halo and so on.
Also if CCP is trying to do something new I will give some of my time to test and try to have as much fun as possible without giving a F... about how it`s affecting PI, eve market or what ever else it might ot might not affect.

PS: I said when I got my Ps3 I WILL NEVER play a FPS on a console...however since I am a fan of EvE Online I will buy Dust if I need to just to show some appreciation because it`s the first company to try something like this and it deserves support from it`s community !

Zag'mar Jurkar
Minmatar
Advent of the Blood Sun
Posted - 2011.06.16 13:54:00 - [45]
 

If I'm a CoD player, and on the PS3, and I also play Eve, aswell as Starcraft, NHL and some other games, what does it make me?
An adult that have kid's mentality or something?

Bullyboutya
Minmatar
Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:27:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Edited by: Dimitri Fukoyama on 16/06/2011 08:59:37
I was reading an article on massively which forced me to think about Dust.

Most of the arguments trying to shut up "whiners" is that CCP announced Dust was to be console only from the start.

But this doesnt change this:

Eve and Dust are inextricably linked together. CCP is asking 00 alliances to trust console players when they will be fighting over territory.

To me the argument "Shut up they told us it would be console only from the start" misses a crucial point, how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff? How will you convince console players to get on vent/Ts3 to coordinate attacks?

Of course some eve players will buy or have the Ps3 already, but to me its either that Dust's effect on eve online's territory control will either be trivial to minimize the fact that console gamers are usually alot less sophisticated than what you can expect from the logistics of a 70player fleet in eve online (then why have the games linked in the first place?) or that the resulting epic rage from having to depend on console gamers for territory control or having to force good fleet commanders to buy PS3s and deal with green console gamers will make popcorn worthy an euphemism of galactic proportions.


See your first problem is your thinking CCP is trying to attract casuals AKA kids like my son for Dust. Well let me tell you this right now Dust is goingto be for the Mature Shooter. The folks who hate COD, Battlefield will be the ones that Dust will attract.

I own a PS3 I heard about EVE from the MAG community(FPS SHOOTER LIKE DUST CONCEPT)you are going to be very surprised by the skill level of players that will play Dust. BTW I love EVE online :)if your wondering I don't play shooters MAG was my first cuz of the concept, and Dust will be my 2nd cuz of the concept :)

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:30:00 - [47]
 

EvE Rule #2: Don't trust anyone.

I've always found this to be true, but kinda sad for a cooperative game.

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:38:00 - [48]
 

Because of the whole trust issue we could see EVE corps going to war with DUST corps and vice versa, it will certainly bring a whole new layer to the political landscape of EVE.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:42:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Question:
"How much do you trust console players having your back when Dust hits?"

Answer:
"Sorry gtg dinner ready mom is mad *disconnected*"



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Dimitri Fukoyama
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:52:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Bullyboutya Boutya


See your first problem is your thinking CCP is trying to attract casuals AKA kids like my son for Dust. Well let me tell you this right now Dust is goingto be for the Mature Shooter. The folks who hate COD, Battlefield will be the ones that Dust will attract.

I own a PS3 I heard about EVE from the MAG community(FPS SHOOTER LIKE DUST CONCEPT)you are going to be very surprised by the skill level of players that will play Dust. BTW I love EVE online :)if your wondering I don't play shooters MAG was my first cuz of the concept, and Dust will be my 2nd cuz of the concept :)


Im probably not going to be surprised by anything since i wont buy a PS3 just to play dust. Id like to play dust, but i wont, because of CCPs decision not to release it on PC.

Adjunta Tungsten
Posted - 2011.06.16 14:58:00 - [51]
 

Sure, I'd trust them if I paid them enough. Like that advert, the troops were mercenaries. I just hope it comes out on the PC after a year or two, it should be easy since they're making Dust interlink with EVE - a PC game. I mainly want it on the PC beacuse I don't own a PS3 and I aim far better with a mouse :)

But Dust might persuade me to get one.

Dazram Two
Posted - 2011.06.16 15:00:00 - [52]
 

Not very much. Especially considering the vast majority of console players are young children and idiots who never made it through high school.

Zag'mar Jurkar
Minmatar
Advent of the Blood Sun
Posted - 2011.06.16 15:01:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
Not very much. Especially considering the vast majority of console players are young children and idiots who never made it through high school.


95,6% of all statistics are pulled out of people's asses, including this one.

Xulit
Posted - 2011.06.16 15:03:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Xulit on 16/06/2011 15:06:30
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.

I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.


Im sorry i didnt mean any ageism in saying console kiddies.

I know some kids out there are smart and would probably make good foot soldiers on planets or even eve players (Im sure some are).

EDIT: Freaking alt switch!
I've been playing EvE since Im 13, after 2 years of playing EvE I found out that age doesn't make the people more/less immature. It is a factor but I encounter a whole bunch of adult yelling for no reason and/or making random noise in chat. Sure, you will run into 12 years old cry babies. Just wonder how the crowd for DUST will turn up. (Just quoted since im quite young compared to the average of the eve population.)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.16 15:04:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Dazram Two
Not very much. Especially considering the vast majority of console players are young children and idiots who never made it through high school.
They'll fit right in with the uneducated EVE crown thenů Rolling Eyes

Jessie42
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.16 15:11:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Quote:
how much do you trust PS3 console kiddies to lead "fleets" for you when you are doing territory stuff?


The fact that you assume that PS3 users are "kiddies" is just as stupid and puzzling as the assumption that PC EvE players are not.

And your claiming that "PC users are more sophisticated" is lol-worthy.

Most kids have access to both consoles and PCs. Are you suggesting that they don't play EvE because kids lack PCs?


Lets not kid ourselves here. Yes, part of the pop of PS3 owners are adults. But alot of console gamers are usually younger than the typical eve online crowd, and also the gaming you can find on a PS3 vs the gaming that can be found on eve online has a large difference in the kind of gaming sophistication you need to be able to get ahead in a game. Call of Duty vs Eve online, pretty much the same thing. Right?



Oh great, so you're saying the average mental age of Eve is going lower?




Wasn't very high to begin with tbqhtbftbh

Zenethalos
Minmatar
Doesn't Afraid Of Anything
Posted - 2011.06.16 15:19:00 - [57]
 

I am hoping that Dust will attract a more mature crowd like Eve has. It looks like Dust will require patience, coordination, and team work from a team to succeed which is where many COD/BF players seem to fall short. Not all of them of course but many of them I know teen and adult don't have the attention span required for the intricacies of Eve and if Dust reflects even half of the patience and team work required then we should see a more mature crowd.

If you have ever played Arma it is easier to understand. That game requires patience and a great degree of team work to be exceptionally successful and any idiot's I have come across promptly get banned. Here's hoping Dust is some what to the liking of Arma team work requirements and eve patience.

dead hamster
Posted - 2011.06.16 16:02:00 - [58]
 

trusting anyone in the eve universe = fail

Zyress
Posted - 2011.06.16 16:04:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Dimitri Fukoyama
Originally by: Zey Nadar
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 16/06/2011 09:53:34
Underaged console players arent any better or worse than underaged pc players.

I own 3 different consoles, make of that what you will.


Im sorry i didnt mean any ageism in saying console kiddies.

I know some kids out there are smart and would probably make good foot soldiers on planets or even eve players (Im sure some are). But i think in general, its downright absurd to think of how complex and sophisticated eve is, and to try to mix that up with people used to playing COD and Gran turismo 5 and expect them to understand how important this feels for the players in space and to take this as seriously as eve players take it. Its not always a good thing how serious eve is taken, but at the same time you cant be going into an eve invasion like you would play a round of Quake3. It just doesnt compute, the no PC release thing.


They probably have the same attention span as any mercenary, treat them that way, as long as you give them a reason they want to complete your mission isk, recognition, whatever then you can rely on them as much as say your autocannon hitting half way into falloff.

Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.16 16:13:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: dead hamster
trusting anyone in the eve universe = fail


I'm not sure how everyone missed this point for so long.


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