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Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Quovis
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:51:00 - [1]
 

Anyone have a list about this? I see a lot of QQ on the matter but no specifics. My understandin is it's cosmetic's like you see in WoW where people buy flying crap w/ cash but has no effect on the actual mechanics. Personally I think something like that is a waste, but if people want to spend $15 on a cool pair of shades for there toon by all means go for it. If your paying $15 for something that impacts mechanics then no. So anyone have a list or can comment?

Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Quovis
Posted - 2011.06.17 07:19:00 - [2]
 

no one?

DeBingJos
Minmatar
Goat Holdings
Posted - 2011.06.22 06:53:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Tuvar Hiede
Anyone have a list about this? I see a lot of QQ on the matter but no specifics. My understandin is it's cosmetic's like you see in WoW where people buy flying crap w/ cash but has no effect on the actual mechanics. Personally I think something like that is a waste, but if people want to spend $15 on a cool pair of shades for there toon by all means go for it. If your paying $15 for something that impacts mechanics then no. So anyone have a list or can comment?


I agree. But most people fear that this will eventually lead to MT for non-vanity items and I agree with that.

The moment I see a non-vanity item for sale I will end my sub.

However, this is not the case right now. I could not care less about 80$ eyepieces, they don't influence my game and I will not buy them. I

Tuvar Hiede
Caldari
Quovis
Posted - 2011.06.22 16:56:00 - [4]
 

I agree, I'm not going to get involved w/ items that change game mechanics. I'll be done as well.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.24 16:57:00 - [5]
 

You can already buy characters and all the items with money you just convert the plex to isk first. I don't see the change. As long as the items can be sold on the market for isk nothing will change.

Ifni Zen
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.25 04:48:00 - [6]
 

Although cash for in-game bonuses is obviously a desperate money-grab by CCP, as long as these items are subsequently resell-able for ISK on the in-game market/contract system it probably doesn't matter in the long run. Even if 'noble' items end up having more than vanity effects, as long as players can buy them for ISK nothing really changes. Non-transferable items bought with cash that affect game play would radically alter the game.

Coco Caine
Posted - 2011.06.25 18:33:00 - [7]
 

The main thing about the Aurum scam is that CCP is introducing some RL money sink where I personally would like to see some new game play or improved old game play.

Also it is harshly inconsistent with game lore. Why the hell do you need to turn in PLEX to buy a jeans that costs as much as a T2/faction cruiser/BC hull? Or can you offer me some roleplayish explanation why?

The NEX also means that there is a class of items that is exclusively accessible via RL money, where in a sandbox you would like to have all items created by in-game player interaction. E.g. I can't prevent people to buy a jeans, nor can i steal them, nor can i farm or manufacture them. So the NEX is a dead thing like seeded market items, which by the way have been laborously removed vi PI. 'Dead' because they don't involve player interaction.

Finally I see Aurum as a redundant mechanism to the PLEX for ISK mechanism, and one that binds developer resources for designing basically 'dead' UIs and items without gameplay value.

Once you introduce items with gameplay value into the Aurum shop, i fear Eve might become a pay to win game, where alliances will collect real life money from their members to buy a batch of Aurum Titans for the next campaign.

Blend this together with some leaked documents, bad comms from CCP employees and a long history of releasing halfbaked features and you get some angry e-mob with virtual pitchforks and virtual torches.

Julian Beck
Caldari
Minuteman Industries
Posted - 2011.06.25 23:37:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Julian Beck on 25/06/2011 23:39:21
Greed is Good?

BOYCOTT CCP
◘ Do not buy PLEX with real cash;
◘ Do not buy vanity items from NEX;
◘ Do not convert PLEX to AUR;
◘ Cancel your subscription if you actually pay cash for it;
◘ Join the protest in Jita;

CCP is scamming the EVE Online community and it needs to stop!

Capsuleers Unite!

Admiral Madbull
Minmatar
The Forgotten Navy
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:38:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Admiral Madbull on 01/07/2011 22:41:41
Originally by: Julian Beck
Edited by: Julian Beck on 25/06/2011 23:39:21
Greed is Good?

BOYCOTT CCP
◘ Do not buy PLEX with real cash;
◘ Do not buy vanity items from NEX;
◘ Do not convert PLEX to AUR;
◘ Cancel your subscription if you actually pay cash for it;
◘ Join the protest in Jita;

CCP is scamming the EVE Online community and it needs to stop!

Capsuleers Unite!


Seriously?

If you feel like that, why not just stop playing eve and go on with your life....

I dont see why people emo-rage over things that they DONT need to get involved in if they dont want to.

I agree that the minute CCP makes it so that game mechanics get changed becouse of micro-transactions its gonna kill the game, but we are not there yet...

So why not put your virtual torches away for now and use them when and if they are needed.

Seriously people CCP is a company, and if they can increase their earnings ofcourse they will try and milk as much out of the playerbase as they can, why wouldnt they?

Its not like they are holding a gun to your head and forcing you to throw your money at them.

chill

my 2 cents



*edit: typos, just to tired to type correct Confused
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Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:17:00 - [10]
 

If you really want to boycott CCP - just don't log into EVE and unsubscribe your accounts. It's really that simple.

I saw nothing in the joint statement that convinced me that EVE is where I want to spend my money in the forseeable future, so I have no reason to do other than let my accounts expire.

For a 2 day meeting, they sure accomplished a lotta nothing. Even if one wants to take their word regarding "no game affecting NEX crap" - was anything said even dealing with the future of EVE the game? Not a single thing. At the very best, EVE is no better than it was prior to the most anticipated expansion ever.

Nianda SeCann
Posted - 2011.07.12 12:09:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Admiral Madbull
Edited by: Admiral Madbull on 01/07/2011 22:41:41
Originally by: Julian Beck
Edited by: Julian Beck on 25/06/2011 23:39:21
Greed is Good?

BOYCOTT CCP
◘ Do not buy PLEX with real cash;
◘ Do not buy vanity items from NEX;
◘ Do not convert PLEX to AUR;
◘ Cancel your subscription if you actually pay cash for it;
◘ Join the protest in Jita;

CCP is scamming the EVE Online community and it needs to stop!

Capsuleers Unite!


Seriously?

If you feel like that, why not just stop playing eve and go on with your life....

I dont see why people emo-rage over things that they DONT need to get involved in if they dont want to.

I agree that the minute CCP makes it so that game mechanics get changed becouse of micro-transactions its gonna kill the game, but we are not there yet...

So why not put your virtual torches away for now and use them when and if they are needed.

Seriously people CCP is a company, and if they can increase their earnings ofcourse they will try and milk as much out of the playerbase as they can, why wouldnt they?

Its not like they are holding a gun to your head and forcing you to throw your money at them.

chill

my 2 cents



*edit: typos, just to tired to type correct Confused
.


I agree with this, CCCPsoe are going this way if we like it or not, its their game, so be it.

But ppls are blind if they think Aurum won't be game changing, think about Dust514, I read somewhere that Aurum will be used in this part of eve. How can that be non-game changing.

To level this out at the least CCCPsoe should make sure that PI/dust514 items in store should be affordable by all. Lower the Aurum prices and make them MICRO-TRANSACTIONS.

BTW CCCPsoe how much more money you need to repay the loan?

Will Cenn
Posted - 2011.07.16 08:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Admiral Madbull
Edited by: Admiral Madbull on 01/07/2011 22:41:41
Seriously?

If you feel like that, why not just stop playing eve and go on with your life....

I dont see why people emo-rage over things that they DONT need to get involved in if they dont want to.

I agree that the minute CCP makes it so that game mechanics get changed becouse of micro-transactions its gonna kill the game, but we are not there yet...

So why not put your virtual torches away for now and use them when and if they are needed.

Seriously people CCP is a company, and if they can increase their earnings ofcourse they will try and milk as much out of the playerbase as they can, why wouldnt they?

Its not like they are holding a gun to your head and forcing you to throw your money at them.

chill

my 2 cents

*edit: typos, just to tired to type correct Confused
.


Because it isn't that simple. Just because you do want a service from someone, does not justify bending over and taking anything and everything that is asked for that service.

No one (who isn't an idiot) has a problem with the concept of vanity item micro transactions. The problems however are in that first sentance.

Firstly, CCP said they were not going to extend the rmt model outside of vanity items. The leaked email said they planned 'to evolve the nex store' (paraphrasing).

Secondly, the price is not justifiable. Nothing they are providing in the nex, is worth what they are asking, nothing fits the bill MICRO transaction. The man power and materials needed to supply these things could easily be paid at 1/10th of what they are asking. No one has a problem with the concept, it is the degree.

Put it this way, if you went to buy a litre of milk from me and I asked 30 dollars what would you say? You might laugh it off and walk away not letting it bother you (you can get your milk elsewhere), or you might take offence that I have devalued your money and in turn you by asking out of all proportion what I am offering. Either is a valid response.

Now imagine that you can't get your milk anywhere else. You want milk, but you can't get it from anyone else, so by your reasoning thats cool to pay me 30 bucks right? I'm not holding a gun to your head, so im not forcing you. That justifies it right?

It may not be up there in the realms of starving orphans and world peace, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth objecting to.Nor is it out of place to ask for an equitable exchange. That however, is not what I am asking for for this milk, and it isn't what CCP are asking for NEX.

Actually, on an unrelated note, I might have a bridge if your buying....

There was also some opinions expressed towards or about the community which has fanned the flames of those torches.

Now I am willing to believe the community may have acted prematurely in the non vanity issue. The price issue however, the facts are right there in front of you just by clicking on one button.

It needs to be emphasized that they only people who are either a) arguing against the concept of vanity micro transactions or b) making it out to be vital world issue are the strawmanners.


 

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