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Trenker
Posted - 2011.06.19 07:21:00 - [91]
 

After taking a look at other web APIs, I have an idea.
Bind the API access to a token. Every web API has those tokens, just take a look at facebook, twitter, bit.ly, et. al. This token can be generated on the /api site, just like apiKey and userId already can.
However: This token can be used by any number of apps / installations, and is not bound to a formal license agreement. A "Terms of usage" agreement should be sufficient.
This allows CCP:
  1. Keep track of how many apps or users are using their data.
  2. Disable access to the API to apps that do not respect the terms of useage.
  3. If a violation of CCPs rights on EVE Online brand is found, it would give CCP a point were to start looking and to disable the further use of this accounts API access.

As an example: the bit.ly API (because it is so very easy):
A user registers, in his user settings he can get the API token, with this token he can access the API, do as many requests he wants (well there is a limit, but it is so high, that you can say unlimited), from an unlimited number of apps from an unlimited number of installations, anywhere you want. EVE API could work the same way.

About commercial licensing:
Those tokens can be upgraded with a paid subscribtions that:
  • allows an user to publish a paid, propietary app
  • offers technical support by CCP
  • In case the API service is under high stress, calls from commercial clients are handled with higher priority.


What do you think?

Kronus Heilgar
Dark Orbit Media
Posted - 2011.06.19 09:09:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Trenker
After taking a look at other web APIs, I have an idea.
Bind the API access to a token. Every web API has those tokens, just take a look at facebook, twitter, bit.ly, et. al. This token can be generated on the /api site, just like apiKey and userId already can.
However: This token can be used by any number of apps / installations, and is not bound to a formal license agreement. A "Terms of usage" agreement should be sufficient.
This allows CCP:
  1. Keep track of how many apps or users are using their data.
  2. Disable access to the API to apps that do not respect the terms of useage.
  3. If a violation of CCPs rights on EVE Online brand is found, it would give CCP a point were to start looking and to disable the further use of this accounts API access.

As an example: the bit.ly API (because it is so very easy):
A user registers, in his user settings he can get the API token, with this token he can access the API, do as many requests he wants (well there is a limit, but it is so high, that you can say unlimited), from an unlimited number of apps from an unlimited number of installations, anywhere you want. EVE API could work the same way.

About commercial licensing:
Those tokens can be upgraded with a paid subscribtions that:
  • allows an user to publish a paid, propietary app
  • offers technical support by CCP
  • In case the API service is under high stress, calls from commercial clients are handled with higher priority.


What do you think?


I very much like this concept. I have no problem paying for the service, as long as I'm getting something, whether it be RL payment for apps or high-quality tech support from CCP, for my money. Please write these ideas into the appropriate parts of the proposal doc! (link can be found in second or third post of this thread).

Kron

Trenker
Posted - 2011.06.19 15:01:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
Please write these ideas into the appropriate parts of the proposal doc! (link can be found in second or third post of this thread).


Third actually Smile

I would appreciate if someone whose native language is english would do that. If no one did it until tomorrow, I will try it myself.

Dean Capital
Posted - 2011.06.19 23:58:00 - [94]
 

While I do not have a 3rd party site, I do use them a lot as they make my Eve game play better. I for one DO NOT Support CCP in their latest batch of stupid ideas. I think CCP has forgotten what they start Eve for, For us the players. Over the last 5 years that I have played I have seen eve go from one of the greatest games ever to seeing it slowly been dumbed down and turned into more of a WOW type game. CCP eve is not WOW and you never should have tried to make it more like WOW. I think it is far past time that you pull your head out of your ass and listen to what the Real Eve players want and say to hell with the WOW players

Samroski
Games Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.20 15:10:00 - [95]
 

Appeal signed.

It seems that CCP is recently hell bent on destroying Eve. This monetizing blog has to be the worst dev blog ever!

I thought I was going to play Eve till I die, but it seems more likely that Eve will die first.

Here's to hoping that CCP find the right direction i.e. encouraging 3rd party application development, which is what gives longevity to games.

Nunchuck Norris
Posted - 2011.07.23 21:55:00 - [96]
 

i fully support this initiative , CCP is too greedy , and people who are making Eve a better place for everyone -indirrectly helping CCP to earn more money- shouldn`t be charged for this . Even more , in WoW some applications were bought and added to the game , which i doubt it will ever happen with any of Eve apps

CyPhEr UmOs
Posted - 2011.07.25 15:45:00 - [97]
 

Guild-Host.com is on board with this and fully supports this initiative. If they monetize this, Guild-Host.com will shut down fully and cease all hosting, forever. We currently host over 350 guild sites, 72% of which are for this game, Eve Online. Think how this will affect your clientele CCP if providers such as myself shut down because you can't recover from the Icelandic market crash and want to pass your shortcomings on to others around the world. Buck up CCP. Grow a pair!

Keil Sonter
Posted - 2011.07.25 22:31:00 - [98]
 

Edited by: Keil Sonter on 25/07/2011 22:34:58
Originally by: CyPhEr UmOs
Guild-Host.com is on board with this and fully supports this initiative. If they monetize this, Guild-Host.com will shut down fully and cease all hosting, forever. We currently host over 350 guild sites, 72% of which are for this game, Eve Online. Think how this will affect your clientele CCP if providers such as myself shut down because you can't recover from the Icelandic market crash and want to pass your shortcomings on to others around the world. Buck up CCP. Grow a pair!


I don't take kindly to spamming and your emails have been intrusive and unwelcome.

Don't contact me again.

CyPhEr UmOs
Posted - 2011.07.26 14:46:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Keil Sonter
Edited by: Keil Sonter on 25/07/2011 22:34:58
Originally by: CyPhEr UmOs
Guild-Host.com is on board with this and fully supports this initiative. If they monetize this, Guild-Host.com will shut down fully and cease all hosting, forever. We currently host over 350 guild sites, 72% of which are for this game, Eve Online. Think how this will affect your clientele CCP if providers such as myself shut down because you can't recover from the Icelandic market crash and want to pass your shortcomings on to others around the world. Buck up CCP. Grow a pair!


I don't take kindly to spamming and your emails have been intrusive and unwelcome.

Don't contact me again.


This isn't the place for this discussion but you've only been sent one email from the site you registered on. Perhaps you should be more careful where you register. All business sites send out newsletters mate, get with the program.

Sorry for the above post, airing dirty laundry here is not appropriate.

Prime
Posted - 2011.09.06 06:28:00 - [100]
 

CCP - seriously

charging $ to people who have websites about eve = no more websites about eve

shoot yourself in the foot if you really really insist

remember, you often can't regrow a foot irl
just like the vast amount of websites that go poof, may not return even if you change your mind later...


Raw Matters
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.09.06 09:46:00 - [101]
 

My recommendation to CCP from someone who develops APIs for a living:
Charge people for using your APIs if (and only if) they have more than 1000$ total revenue per month. This way you can participate in those sites that use the Eve API to earn money and do not mess with all those who provide it for free.

For those who charge ISK for using their APIs: even if CCP says different, ISKs can be easily transformed into real money at a well defined exchange rate. Just check Jita for Plex prices and what they cost in $ and you have your currency exchange rate. However with 1000$ that would be more than 25 Billion ISK you need to make per month to fall under the proposed limit.

And if you actually do earn that much money you should ask yourself: "Am I really providing that for free?" (and of course send 1 Billion per month to my account for providing such helpful advise. Rolling Eyes)


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