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Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:04:00 - [1]
 

CCP recently published a devblog about possibilities for 3rd party developers to monetize their work on projects all arround eve.

Now while the basic idea is a cool thing and very welcome, one clause mentioned in it is totally unacceptable:

Originally by: "devblog"

Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?

Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.



this a slap in the face of everyone who is putting time and efford into providing tools all arround eve. basically it means if you take a donation or charge isk for a service you provide to enhance the game, you have to pay 99$ a year to ccp.


Do something. Now.

Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:11:00 - [2]
 

+1

Squizz Caphinator
Woopatang

Posted - 2011.06.15 17:11:00 - [3]
 


Lakut
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:11:00 - [4]
 

supportin~

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:12:00 - [5]
 

I agree with CCP. If you intend to profit from their product then you should require some sort of 'commercial license' and $99/year is hardly unreasonable.

What I would have liked to see is an option to pay in PLEXs.

Fr0gOfWar
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:12:00 - [6]
 

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Martyr 01
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:12:00 - [7]
 

I fully endorse this opinion whatever it may be.

TbT78
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force

Posted - 2011.06.15 17:13:00 - [8]
 

+1

izmoko
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:17:00 - [9]
 

+1

Peter Powers
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:19:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Jason Edwards
I agree with CCP. If you intend to profit from their product then you should require some sort of 'commercial license' and $99/year is hardly unreasonable.

What I would have liked to see is an option to pay in PLEXs.


over 4 years, i roughly got 1.5bn isk in donations thats 375mio isk a year, so basically you say its ok that i should pay 99$ a year to maybe get 375mio isk OR that i have to actually require people to pay.. right.

Palander
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:57:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Peter Powers
Originally by: Jason Edwards
I agree with CCP. If you intend to profit from their product then you should require some sort of 'commercial license' and $99/year is hardly unreasonable.

What I would have liked to see is an option to pay in PLEXs.


over 4 years, i roughly got 1.5bn isk in donations thats 375mio isk a year, so basically you say its ok that i should pay 99$ a year to maybe get 375mio isk OR that i have to actually require people to pay.. right.


When you quit eve, can i have your stuffz?

+1

Danika Princip
Minmatar
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:16:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Jason Edwards
I agree with CCP. If you intend to profit from their product then you should require some sort of 'commercial license' and $99/year is hardly unreasonable.

What I would have liked to see is an option to pay in PLEXs.


Agreed. If you're making money from eve, pay up. $99 is **** all.

Tak Amura
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:40:00 - [13]
 

Save 3rd Party Devs

Devilen
Caldari
DOUBLE IDENTITY
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:41:00 - [14]
 

I agree with this post it is going to make the 3rd party market smaller and push a lot of good applications that are currently active and updated and fixed out of the way. $99 dollars I think they are taking a play out of Apples hand book.

Tjarish
Super Batungwaa Ninja Warriors
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:41:00 - [15]
 

Save 3rd Party Devs!!

Palmer Eldricth
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:44:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Palmer Eldricth on 15/06/2011 18:43:57
Originally by: Danika Princip
Agreed. If you're making money from eve, pay up. $99 is **** all.


If you are making MONEY then yes, but what people are upset about is if they ask for a donations they need a license. If they offer the service for isk, they need a license.

If you are not making the $99 a year then its not worth it, you will lose a lot of services.

Duvida
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.15 18:58:00 - [17]
 

Just occurred to me, just how much free advertising all those developers of 3rd party apps have been giving EVE. In addition to keeping subscribers onboard by providing tools that make EVE more enjoyable.

Shutting down the free work provided by these developers also shuts down the free advertising that their sites provide for EVE. I don't think you'll get $99 from developers that are trying to cover their server and bandwidth fees by providing a 'donate here' link. I think you'll lose a good percentage of your subscriber base as well as not having newcomers to replace them, due to the loss of advertising.

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:11:00 - [18]
 

NO CCP THAT"S A BAD CCP!1!!!1

InUrJita CheckinUrPrice
Posted - 2011.06.15 19:47:00 - [19]
 

Dear CCP,

Write the third party apps yourself. And then defenestrate yourselves onto a broom handle, bottom first.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:13:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Goose99 on 15/06/2011 22:13:33
People will sell their app for money, earn maybe $50 a year, and not pay CCP $99 a year. CCP can then track them down to whatever country they're in, hire local lawyers and sue them either for the $50 or $99, depending on local laws. See? It all works out.Laughing

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:45:00 - [21]
 


I think a commercial license is reasonable.....

As long as you can pay for it in ISK!!!


Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:46:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/06/2011 00:51:58
Originally by: "devblog"

Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?

Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.



Premature mouthfoaming much? Check it out, I bolded the interesting part and even took the liberty to underline the very interesting part.

For clarity:

requiring payment != accepting donation


In simple terms, if you charge people for your software, you have to pay up. And you damn well should.

If you do not charge, but accept donations from people that enjoy your software which you provide free of charge you dont have to pay.


Also, it appears they are rethinking if ISK should be considered payment at all:

Originally by: "devblog"
2) Regarding this clause: Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license? A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license. I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.

Drake Draconis
Minmatar
Shadow Cadre
Shadow Confederation
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:53:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Drake Draconis on 16/06/2011 00:54:08

Just slap a paypal button up and accept donations.

Well duh! derp derp!

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:57:00 - [24]
 

The bigger point here is the utterly ridiculous figure of $99. Something around $10-$20 would be much more reasonable.

In general, apps that would fall into the category that would desire a commercial license would be those that would offer a "super-version" of what they already offer with slightly more shininess. Thats going to be for what, $0.99 - $2 tops (unless the programmer is a moron...)?

Veilo
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:07:00 - [25]
 

this is you:

"Due to general ignorance and/or selective reading I never realised devs of 3rd party apps currently can't REQUIRE a payment so now that CCP is actually putting in place a way for devs to charge for their time/effort I am going to rage up like a stupid manchild"




Omara Otawan
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:11:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Omara Otawan on 16/06/2011 01:16:37
Originally by: Lykouleon
The bigger point here is the utterly ridiculous figure of $99. Something around $10-$20 would be much more reasonable.



In that case cheer up:

Originally by: "devblog"
3) This project is not about CCP making money. Whether we charge $100 or $50 or $10 for a commercial license won't make a big difference to our balance sheet. $99 is the lowest that we estimated that we could reasonably go and still justify the cost of the service. If this is too high for app developers, this is something that could possibly be revisited.


Seriously, with the current figure of $99, what are we looking at in terms of revenue for them, maybe $2-3K a year tops?

At some point, you also have to see the thing from their side, how much money would you be willing to pay for the ability of a 3rd party to make a profit from your product?

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry

Posted - 2011.06.16 03:50:00 - [27]
 

If I could support this a thousand times I would.

FFS CCP, you are letting Chribba, Wollari, Peter Powers and MANY others that shaped this community down the drain.

Bunyip
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.06.16 05:46:00 - [28]
 

I'd have to agree that the crapstorm has gotten out of control. An iPhone app's devs get greedy, and now the entire community is getting shafted for it.

I understand how useful cellphone apps are, but CCP, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. This is a community who loves this game and produces items, sometimes for a nominal ISK charge, getting slapped in the face.

Evidences:
Quote:
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?
Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.


So much for forum signatures and the many artists who use this to afford the PvP ships or otherwise.

Quote:
Will donations require a commercial license?
Yes, for donation supported websites you will require a commercial license.


While Battleclinic and others may not have a severe problem paying the $99 per year, it does add another straw to the proverbial camel's back, and one that is unnecessary.

If the iPhone app falls through because the devs can't charge for it, one of the other avid fans of Eve will create an app. It may not be as good, but it may not need to be as good as well.

CCP, think of your community first, as the smallest groups tend to have the loudest voices.

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.

Posted - 2011.06.16 06:18:00 - [29]
 

Ccp fail. Greed got the better of you? It's not like they need the money when they can take 409 staff on holiday to Mexico every year.

Community is everything in eve, player participation is what makes eve what it is. You're killing that ccp. They don't make money from the api so why punish people for fleshing out your game? It's not like it costs you anything that's not already covered in the subscription.

Inza Fate
Posted - 2011.06.16 07:26:00 - [30]
 

How about you charge the same amount Blizzard charges WoWHead, MMO-Champion, etc. ... NOTHING.


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