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Al'kea
Posted - 2011.06.18 18:58:00 - [1291]
 

Edited by: Al''kea on 18/06/2011 19:06:38
Edited by: Al''kea on 18/06/2011 19:03:34
I was seriously hoping you guys would go the other direction, and finally allow MODs in your game (because honestly, my 10 year old sister could MOD the default UI and make it more functional/look better than what yous guys have done, you should see her WoW UI). But that's neither here nor there.

What you did however, was go in the complete opposite direction and choose to stiffle innovation, and create an extra hurdle by forcing a fee upon anyone who might want to make your game better by developing something useful for other players of the game. Not failing to mention, forcing Alliance websites, killboards and forums that are Ad/Donation supported to pay 99 dollars a year to avoid violating these new terms.

You guys need to SERIOUSLY re-think what you are doing here and modify these terms accordingly.

The only thing I agree with is that if they (the website/developers) Charge REAL LIFE money for an Eve related service/application TO MAKE A REAL LIFE PROFIT, then and ONLY THEN they should have to pay the Licensing Fee.

But why require the fee for sites that receive Donations to pay for hosting costs or to support operating costs and barely break even? or services that use in game Currency to run lotteries, or other community building activities? (like a nice fun Death Race through 0.0) You have got to be mentally challenged if you think it's a good idea to charge those people who perform that service FOR THE COMMUNITY.

If you are TRYING to bring in a bunch douche bag 3rd party developers who are just out to make a buck off your game and care nothing for the Eve Universe you are off to a stellar start. Maybe you guys are in it for the money too, but from what I have seen so far from the current "3rd party developers" the game already had, you are seriously ****ing them off.

If anything, this should be a REWARDS program, where Dev's who make successful aps that improve the Eve Universe are REWARDED for making the game better, not ****ing CHARGED for providing a service CCP is failing to provide on their own.

let me finish up with a nice "**** YOU TOO CCP!!"

/sarcasm I am glad you are using the succcess of the game to support the community!! /end sarcasm

I realize some of this post is constructive criticism, and others ****ed off ramblings, but it was hard to keep them seperate.


derivativo
Posted - 2011.06.18 19:52:00 - [1292]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



+1

the plague
Anthraxus Defense Laboratories
Posted - 2011.06.18 20:30:00 - [1293]
 

What 'problem' is this proposed solution supposed to address?

CCP, you need to step back and think about something. This game wasn't developed like Starcraft or some other single player title from one of the big development studios. It was developed over a period of years, with a tremendous amount of feedback and ideas from the player base, and tireless efforts on the part of many players to improve the overall EVE Online experience. Not only did many of the basic gameplay ideas that currently comprise EVE Online come from the players, but the players helped test those ideas to ensure they worked within EVE's overall framework. In addition, many players have selflessly sacrificed their time creating EVE support web sites, services, guides, and much, much more.

You didn't create EVE alone, the community helped you create it. Sorry, if that statement causes injury to your developer pride or upsets the fine people in your BizDev department, but it's true and you know it.

"We" helped you create this game and "we" certainly helped you create this community. It would be wise to remember that at your next monetization meeting because you need the players a lot more than they need you.

Ilvari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.18 20:35:00 - [1294]
 

This is a really greedy move to profit off the work of others.

CCP already gets 17$/month/player (more than any other MMO), trying to steal money from web service developers who maybe make that much from ads total is downright despicable.

Petar Harad
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.18 20:35:00 - [1295]
 

There are heroes in the the Eve community. People that other EvE players respect (or even like) for what they did, for what they accomplished and for what they produced for the community and EvE as a whole. And often enough still do, accomplish and produce. For EvE, for the players, and even for you CCP! Just by making EvE better in many, many ways.

Most powers that be in this world know for a fact that if they do wrong to the heroes of the people they rule, those people will protest against it. If those powers persist, eventually, the people will revolt.
Sure, revolts get smashed down, squelched, smothered. But when the dust has settled, the world is never the same. And hardly ever better than before. Most of the times, everybody has lost something.

CCP, you just slapped some respected and honoured people in the face. People that I, as a simple player of EvE, look up to.
So I protest, as one of many others. Do not persist in this direction. Please, a revolt will end EvE.

Dyner
Minmatar
Midgard Protectorate
Posted - 2011.06.18 20:50:00 - [1296]
 

Originally by: Relaxedtrader

If you wish to tax certain 3rd party applications, such as gambling sites, or sites where isk profit is made as a result of entertainment value provided, that would be acceptable in my view.


So...instead of killing the apps you kill the contests and events?

EVE Radio's contest come to mind; I may not enter them but it's still fun to watch.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.18 21:20:00 - [1297]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 18/06/2011 21:23:45
Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 18/06/2011 21:20:48
Originally by: Dyner
Originally by: Relaxedtrader

If you wish to tax certain 3rd party applications, such as gambling sites, or sites where isk profit is made as a result of entertainment value provided, that would be acceptable in my view.


So...instead of killing the apps you kill the contests and events?

EVE Radio's contest come to mind; I may not enter them but it's still fun to watch.


There's even more than this.
Some players went to great lenghts in order to create the richest experience in the game, beyond EvE.
The Market Discussion forum has some of the most high meta-gaming community, we issue bonds, loans, finance projects... all of this on the forum and external websites.

In my case in particular I am an auditor. My job is purely community oriented and is about checking people, corporations, alliances and create detailed reports about their financial health, their credibility, their skills. Auditors are a sort of Moody's or Standard & Poors, people choose to invest or not also based on our reports.

Here's an example: Linkage

As you may see, it's very colorful, with graphs, tables and lots of other stuff.
And this is just the nerfed EvE forum version! On my website I host all the audits and investments available with a search engine and of course for free. Everyone can search the past investments to know how they performed, if a certain guy was trustworthy or not and so on.

Now, in order to create ANY audit I need to use:

- 8 to 12 EvE free or ISK paid software that use the EvE API.
- 1 external website totally paid by me including DNS, web hosting, certificates (150 euros a year).
- I am paid in ISK, usually from 30 to 80M (sometimes more) for a work of several hours. In fact it's a community profession, made to HELP the community not to become rich. Mining is often more lucrative.
- Many times I also hold collateral or act as third party (basically the same profession of Chribba).


Now please tell me how I will EVER be able to keep being an auditor (after many others in the past before me) since I will:

- Pay for 8-12 now commercial EvE softwares.
- Still pay 150 euros or so for my website (in fact I put some ads on it).
- Also pay $99 for my website.

I am not *that* poor but I just cannot justify my family spending hundreds of euros for an audit that in average nets me 30-80M ISK (10 audits a year).


Are we meant to just DELETE professions at once like this? I am ashamed, after all these years of auditors, we have to be eradicated by a stupid fee?

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.18 21:32:00 - [1298]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 18/06/2011 21:36:00
Another initiative that will be ERADICATED: charities.

Since I am decently trusted, I created a corporation that exists exclusively to collect ISK and PLEXes during the years and to forward them to CCP when an emergency relief campaign is started.

For the PLEX for Japan CCP emergency relief campaign I collected over 91B = more than RL $4000.

Sure, it's not going to rebuild the whole Japan but it's still an useful amount. In fact CCP CEO Hilmar showcased me and another charity (I am not alone) at Fanfest 2011.


With the license? All of this is DEAD, RIP.

In fact it's hosted on my website (described in the previous post) on my expense and it costed several weeks to setup all the pages and graphics.
I don't earn a single ISK on this, sometimes I actually donate myself to it. I also pay the NPC fees.

Plus the promo video for the charity is also on Youtube.
A video that costed me a RL week to make.

Why?

TO PROMOTE CCP.

And now I have to also pay $99 for a charity that favors CCP (PLEX donations) and even for posting on Youtube to promote CCP??????

Where is the world going to go?

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.06.18 21:55:00 - [1299]
 

I don't know how this will turn out yet. But I think it's about time to send a sincere

"Thank you very much, Ladies and Gentlemen, much appreciated"

to all of you - our users - who came here to articulate your concerns and show your support for us 3rd party devs.

I might not speak for all 3rd party devs. But I'm sure a substantial amount of them will agree with me and are thankful for such an impressive demonstration. You, the community, are what distinguishes EVE from other games.

Lea Ther
Posted - 2011.06.18 22:10:00 - [1300]
 

Edited by: Lea Ther on 18/06/2011 22:20:46
Edited by: Lea Ther on 18/06/2011 22:19:52
Edited by: Lea Ther on 18/06/2011 22:11:35
Quote:
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?

Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.


That means when i sell some assets of my station trading to my friends and describe this on my webpage i have to pay additional 99 dollar a year?

Had someone who had ever played that game revied this... botch bevor you post it?!

Edit:
Paying money for earing money will be ok but paying money to be allowed to enrich the meta gaming of YOUR game? Thats rude.


Bar0th
Gallente
Industrial Forge Works Inc
Posted - 2011.06.18 22:17:00 - [1301]
 

Edited by: Bar0th on 18/06/2011 22:20:06
I personally agree with the license fee for sites/apps which require ISK or cash for their service. If the site/app is popular enough, the ISK earned yearly will easily be worth the $99 - less than 3 PLEX. ***Edit: Remember, the fee doesn't apply to in-game services, etc like appraisals, audits and so forth, unless you host it on a 3rd party site. EVE forums will still be license-free.

For sites displaying banner ads, or accept (not require) ISK donations, I don't agree with the license fee. Some people run fansites on free webhosts which require banner ads, for which the user receives no income. Or, require submission of income from the banner ads, and if it exceeds a profit margin then require a fee (most will not even cover hosting costs with the banners - profit: 0).

The other issue I see is enforcement / consequences. If a site using the CCP IP has been around, and not actively developed in ages (yet is still functional), what happens to the site? How much time will be devoted to chasing down the owner(s) or getting the site shut down vs game development. You can say it's a different division within CCP, but that is still money going elsewhere then paying devs, support staff, QA, etc (for EVE, and other IP/assets - Dust 514, the upcoming VtM MMORPG, White Wolf Publishing).

Taladool
Minmatar
JIta-Hosting
Posted - 2011.06.18 22:31:00 - [1302]
 

This is bull**** CCP, charging those of us that make ingame isk gains for services we provide is stupid. I pay for my servers with the money I would otherwise pay for my game time and use the isk I make to pay my game time. All this will do is make sure I can no longer offer services to my clients.

I have quite a few plans for Jita-Hosting but they all depend on what you guys plan to do next. guess we will have to wait and see.

Izanami Rei
Caldari
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
Posted - 2011.06.18 22:32:00 - [1303]
 

I would like clarification on a few things.

Is this only for sites and services using the EVE API, In-Game Browser (I assume this means sites who somehow uses the "Trusted service"), ect, or is this simply a matter of Protecting the use of CCP's intellectual property?

For instance, I'm not entirely sure if a person needs a commercial licence for running adds on a website that has a picture of a Tengu in the background, but does not fx. use the "Image Export" or "Eve Image server."

I might underestimate the value of having ads on a website (Do people really click them?), or overestimate the cost of running a website, but the added cost might be a bit steep for some community sites.

Perhaps it would be good to establish a distinction, ads for commercial reasons (Profit) and ads for reducing expenses, in chases where ISK is not involved.

------

I would like to see apps being developed for the in-game framework. Giving us buttons so we can make transfers to services and get what we payed for automatically, rather than having to send money to a character and waiting for the owner to activate/update you account(?) on the service, or use the "trusted site" function to checking (Somehow).

Casino websites might benefit for this so they don't have to rely on cashiers being available.

------

Perhaps some of the money could go towards a development guide on using the EVE API, In-Game Browser, Static Data Export, Image Export and Eve Image server?

I Hope this has been productive.

Lev Aeris
United Amarr Templar Legion
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.06.18 22:33:00 - [1304]
 

Edited by: Lev Aeris on 18/06/2011 22:43:19
CCP has gone full ******. Never go full ******.

CCP you were the first company I ever chose to pay a monthly fee to for online gaming. In return you have given me an ever increasing steaming pile of ****.

When I first began paying for your product, I couldn't even get into Jita on weekends due to lag.

I then experienced the first *free* addition of content that was faction warfare. I thought, "this is cool, I am paying enough in subs to buy 5 full games a year, but at least they add to their game."

In the time since I started paying you, only one of your expansions has been worth a damn and that was Apocrypha. Everything else has been a downward spiral of bad ideas and half-assed programing. Since the time around the last fanfest you seem hellbent to make your product entirely undesirable. Content remains broken and incomplete for years and you continue to pile on more broken ****.

Now you are to the point that you are ****ing up the 3rd party developers that do for free all the things that you as a company should be developing yourself. You even reference dotlan in your own **** poor documentation wiki of your product. You use paying customers to beta test your incomplete product.

**** it, there isn't really any point to listing all the stupid practices you commit to as a company, the character limit would stifle it and more importantly: YOU, CCP, ARE DEAF TO THOSE TELLING YOU.

I look forward to the day you go bankrupt and leave the area near me in Stone Mountain. That building should be rented by competent business men, not a bunch of charlatans.

Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Why don't you at least go across and the street and get some condoms? Because we should at least be safe if you're going to f**k me.

Sinfonius
Posted - 2011.06.18 22:40:00 - [1305]
 

I'm glad I'm paying for eve month by month (I was buying a year at a time), because if this happens I don't know for how much longer this game will be playable, but I'm sure it won't be very long.

Sherksilver
Posted - 2011.06.18 22:43:00 - [1306]
 

Originally by: Shonion
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





Well, this is certainly my sentiment.... as someone who helps write addons, etc.. for EveHQ - man, this seriously hurts... We (Vessper and Myself) would need a frikin license - just because people sometimes donate?

Dang - so shoot me for wanting to help make the game better. Crying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.18 23:09:00 - [1307]
 

Originally by: Izanami Rei
I would like clarification on a few things.

Is this only for sites and services using the EVE API, In-Game Browser (I assume this means sites who somehow uses the "Trusted service"), ect, or is this simply a matter of Protecting the use of CCP's intellectual property?

For instance, I'm not entirely sure if a person needs a commercial licence for running adds on a website that has a picture of a Tengu in the background, but does not fx. use the "Image Export" or "Eve Image server."

I might underestimate the value of having ads on a website (Do people really click them?), or overestimate the cost of running a website, but the added cost might be a bit steep for some community sites.

Perhaps it would be good to establish a distinction, ads for commercial reasons (Profit) and ads for reducing expenses, in chases where ISK is not involved.

------

I would like to see apps being developed for the in-game framework. Giving us buttons so we can make transfers to services and get what we payed for automatically, rather than having to send money to a character and waiting for the owner to activate/update you account(?) on the service, or use the "trusted site" function to checking (Somehow).

Casino websites might benefit for this so they don't have to rely on cashiers being available.

------

Perhaps some of the money could go towards a development guide on using the EVE API, In-Game Browser, Static Data Export, Image Export and Eve Image server?

I Hope this has been productive.


It seems to be an omnibus 'solution' to all things regarding EVE's IP, so it is for sites using the API, sites not using the API, sites using copyrighted images/trademarks/game content, as well as any site accepting donations/payment in any form for services. We pretty much haven't gotten a decent response to many issues, mainly we were told 'we misunderstood them', 'we are really busy with CQ', and 'we are open to discussing/reconsidering our proposal'.


From what was released a site running ads with a picture of a Tengu from EVE's site, ie market picture probably NOT a screenshot but who knows for sure would need a commercial license.

The simple fact as has been mentioned over and over is CCP's initial 'solution' is a lazy attempt to lump too many people into 2 groups with nearly no thought put into it.

Adding a framework to support apps/services would likely only justify the licensing fees to go higher and take even longer for CCP to develop it then pay to support and manage it. IMO I'd rather CCP stayed out of creating an 'app store' I don't trust them to do it right, to manage support issues and basically not screw it up. They have the right to do that but I think it would be a better option for a new game not EVE where things are pretty much established, community wise. Such a system would force 3rd party developers to probably comply to continue, pay more, or get shutdown/locked out. Advantages are obviously CCP gets much better control over the sales aspect and much more significant control of 3rd party developers' work as it would all have to be submitted to them for approval/etc.

Larrza
Posted - 2011.06.18 23:16:00 - [1308]
 

Horrible idea, it seems CCP are turning into BLIZZARD, greedy money hungry ****ers. goodjob

liaxolox
Gallente
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
Posted - 2011.06.18 23:21:00 - [1309]
 

Edited by: liaxolox on 18/06/2011 23:25:01
Edited by: liaxolox on 18/06/2011 23:24:15
Originally by: Kerrisone
Originally by: liaxolox
Edited by: liaxolox on 18/06/2011 15:26:43
Someone tell whoever is in charge at eve-central that I have $99 a year I can part with to keep it going. Then they can monetize the site via donations or whatever and further subsidize the hosting and domain.



They don't expect you or any single player to cover the CCP $99 fee and using ads or accepting donations are part of why they'd have to pay CCP $99 in order to keep going in ADDITION to their normal/current costs that they've been covering either with ads/donations or purely out of pocket for years.

They like several other sites that do this kind of service without demaning that players give them something first, isk/money would fall under CCP's 'commercial license' requiring them to pay $99 to CCP. All for the benefit of providing a service to EVE players when asking for nothing except the voluntary donation of isk/money, or using ads to subsidize their own costs (which is often laughable as are donations) OR make use of CCP 'IP' like EVE images/logos.

I and many others including the site owner/operators are glad you made your way here or noticed their stand against this but it would help if you bothered to read what is going on or understood it. What you've written says to me you don't get it OR expect them to demand payment BEFORE you can make use of their site/service which is NOT what they want to do. They like the VAST majority of EVE' 3rd party developers/service providers didn't get into it to make a profit but to serve the community/help players/support CCP's product.

All this crap is the fault of CCP and their defaulting to marketing/lawyers instead of using their own heads and recognizing how a 'one size fits all' license doesn't work for their vision of 'commercial' or 'free'. They very poorly communicated their idea and saw fit to not think it through OR if they did at CCP are a bunch of tossers who don't understand the community, their game, their players, or much of anything that isn't about making money.


I agree that it may offend most people's sensibilities for CCP to rob us collectively at gunpoint, but I feel that it's incidental to the issue. They want to, and I am inclined to accept this at face value. I feel like this opens the door for people who wouldn't normally have the time or the monetary resources to dedicate to developing EVE related services the ability to do so. It's true that people shouldn't have to pay for what should be free, I just don't agree that we are entitled to CCP's IP for free.

On side note, I am offended by the change, as it will hurt only people who are being helpful already, but I don't think emotions should be a big deciding factor.

Sneaky Killer
Posted - 2011.06.18 23:33:00 - [1310]
 

Originally by: Royston Townhead
Originally by: MadMax RuS


  • Rmt cartels have won on all fronts around the galaxy. You're doing nothing

  • Tournament's getting more and more ****ty every year, I won't be surprised if you will not broadcast group stages next year.

  • Now you're trying to charge Chribba, Battleclinic\evenews24\etc owners for doing a good job and helping your universe to be better and more complete.

You're digging your own grave ccp




+1

And 1 more thing



I was intrested in dust 514, but now you can just put that right up your ass, and give us, the fed-up, now jaded capsule fan, some proper content, AND THE TRUTH. Is that too much to ask?






WOW just read that Dust 514 is free to play.....

Why should we eve players have to pay when dust players don't ?


Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.19 00:41:00 - [1311]
 

Originally by: liaxolox

Originally by: Kerrisone
Originally by: liaxolox
Edited by: liaxolox on 18/06/2011 15:26:43
Someone tell whoever is in charge at eve-central that I have $99 a year I can part with to keep it going. Then they can monetize the site via donations or whatever and further subsidize the hosting and domain.



They don't expect you or any single player to cover the CCP $99 fee and using ads or accepting donations are part of why they'd have to pay CCP $99 in order to keep going in ADDITION to their normal/current costs that they've been covering either with ads/donations or purely out of pocket for years.

They like several other sites that do this kind of service without demaning that players give them something first, isk/money would fall under CCP's 'commercial license' requiring them to pay $99 to CCP. All for the benefit of providing a service to EVE players when asking for nothing except the voluntary donation of isk/money, or using ads to subsidize their own costs (which is often laughable as are donations) OR make use of CCP 'IP' like EVE images/logos.

I and many others including the site owner/operators are glad you made your way here or noticed their stand against this but it would help if you bothered to read what is going on or understood it. What you've written says to me you don't get it OR expect them to demand payment BEFORE you can make use of their site/service which is NOT what they want to do. They like the VAST majority of EVE' 3rd party developers/service providers didn't get into it to make a profit but to serve the community/help players/support CCP's product.




I agree that it may offend most people's sensibilities for CCP to rob us collectively at gunpoint, but I feel that it's incidental to the issue. They want to, and I am inclined to accept this at face value. I feel like this opens the door for people who wouldn't normally have the time or the monetary resources to dedicate to developing EVE related services the ability to do so. It's true that people shouldn't have to pay for what should be free, I just don't agree that we are entitled to CCP's IP for free.

On side note, I am offended by the change, as it will hurt only people who are being helpful already, but I don't think emotions should be a big deciding factor.


Above, charging people won't necessarily help those who w/o the time or monetary resources to dedicate to EVE services or apps, quite the contrary as they have to expend those resources PLUS pay CCP a fee even if they fail to make a proft. One could imagine a person paying CCP would expect to make their money back. With that idea they'd spend even MORE resources to try and increase their chances of making money as opposed to one who didn't have to pay thus fewer people would be likely to bother developing.

I see that it could have been much more eloquently constructed for those that seek to make money off of EVE's IP. Those are the people that need/should to pay the commerical license fee. Where the problem seems to exist is what and who is 'making money off EVE'. According to CCP ANY payment constitutes 'making money off EVE' even if you don't cover a fraction of your expenses and give away your product/service without requiring payment, ie voluntary donations/payment.

People who want to make money off EVE like selling an APP should definately pay CCP something, how much and how often are open to debate. People giving away their time/money/resources/etc to players shouldn't be in the exact same fee schedule as those actively working to recoup their costs and turn a profit. Much like a non profit operates to cover costs and a for profit business operates to make money they are not exactly the same, CCP's idea was to treat them the same.

Are EVE's 3rd party developer's entitled to free access to CCP's IP, no they aren't, but it is a horrible move to make this kind of change ignoring the facts I described.

liaxolox
Gallente
Jol-Nar Industries
Twilight Imperium
Posted - 2011.06.19 00:54:00 - [1312]
 

Indeed, the proposed changes will raise the overhead to get started making money off of EVE. I agree that there are much better solutions than the proposed change. Perhaps less pigeonholing and more flexible licensing would be a better solution.

Adria Eqviis
Dark Shadow Industries
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.06.19 01:41:00 - [1313]
 

-2 accounts here. I've sunk enough money, I don't need to pay $99, and neither do I need to pay my subscription fee for this kind of community management.

Gaien Haart
Posted - 2011.06.19 02:07:00 - [1314]
 

Dear CCP, get your heads out your arses.
MT shop is already one thing, but this is outrageous. 3rd party developers do their stuff, for FREE to you, to make YOUR game better, to promote it, to make it easier to access for new players (and old). If anything it's you who should be paying them for crying out loud.

Start demanding money from that and you'll crash and burn. The day when this goes through will be the end of my subscription (2 accounts), and by the looks from this thread, i'm not the only one.

Welp McCarebear
Posted - 2011.06.19 02:46:00 - [1315]
 

Originally by: Shonion
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





If you have to pay the $99 then you aren't working for free. If you were working completely for free you won't have to pay the fee. But seriously, $99 is nothing. They are giving you the opportunity to charge for your service. If you don't want to charge, or take donations, or run any other form of commercial site i.e. advert hosting, you can continue operations as normal. Quit the beyotching

Wild Bill Kelsoe
Posted - 2011.06.19 02:48:00 - [1316]
 

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats.

I work for a software company that has a dedicated and active third party developer *ecosystem* much like eve's. It is a humbling experience to meet the people who are willing to add their time and creativity to your work for no monetary reward. It's like having guardian angels, filling in the gaps in your system that you overlooked or didn't have time to complete. We have *entire teams* of people looking after our ecosystem because we recognize it is critical to our own success.

They are different from *partners*, who make a living from your software. We have them too - they build add-ons or extensions that they charge for, or they provide consulting services. We have people looking after them as well, establishing close relationships and trying to help them in their mission.

I think in this case you have simply confused the two.

Please focus on your goal of making a great universe, and please refrain from f***ing the people who help you the most.

Devapriya
Posted - 2011.06.19 03:08:00 - [1317]
 

Twisted Evil CHILL THE **** OUT CCP. YOU GUYS ARE MAKING ENOUGH MONEY, DON'T TURN INTO A BUNCH OF ****ING *******S.

OR MAYBE IT'S TOO LATE?

Ophelia Allover
Posted - 2011.06.19 04:40:00 - [1318]
 

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WOW just read that Dust 514 is free to play.....

Why should we eve players have to pay when dust players don't ?




/facepalm. Dust is a FPS. There is no reason to charge a monthly payment for a FPS. Even halo and Call of doody don't charge for their fps on a monthly basis.

I know you were trying to make a point, but please try not to wear a helmet and write your point in crayons when you do it. The cape is fine though.

Da Death
Minmatar
Relentless Enterprises
Ore Federation
Posted - 2011.06.19 05:37:00 - [1319]
 

Hmm if CCP goes through with this evil idea, I have to consider new plans for my future Online Game Experience. Hard to understand after being 8 years with CCP...

Soddington Smythe
Posted - 2011.06.19 07:05:00 - [1320]
 

Congratulations on torturing the term 'Great News' to such a degree.
This is some strange new usage of the term with which I am unfamiliar.

Instead of addendum's,corrections and clarifications, might I suggest you go for a humble apology for a truly badly thought out idea?

I'm not a third party developer and with my lack of skills in the area never will be.I am not affiliated with or have ever spoken directly to any of these guys,and importantly I have never paid any of them a red cent
But I AM a user of these third party additions to the game and without them EVE is rendered baffling and difficult to the point where players would not be staying around as long as they do.
If you are looking to recoup a benefit from these guys I would suggest that you look at the benefit they already provide to CCP by making this flawed but wonderful game playable by those of us that don't have the programming and spreadsheet skills needed to make do with what is provided out of the box.

EVE Mon makes it so I can actually manage the huge skill tree needed to make an effective Toon.
EFT allows me to actually have a half a chance to make a competitive PVP fitting.
DOTLAN provides me with the ability to Navigate a massive and dangerous Universe.
EVE24 News allows me to keep up to date with a complex Universe.
EVE Radio helps me feel I'm part of a community of like minded internet space ship geeks.

All of these things are most definitely NOT available in game and if you make these guys decide to walk away by treating them as leeches you will not only be weakening my ability to play the game with the information I need,you will be weakening your ability as a company to grow the game. These guys are you saviours.They are your most loyal fans and as has been pointed out previously,they are in effect volunteer Devs who work without pay to plug some rather embarrassingly large holes left in the game by the fully paid staff at CCP.


So please,I implore you to radically rethink the whole idea of licence fees unless there is a substantial side profit being made by a third party.The only large profit I know of is RMT and THAT is both a drain of your finances as well as a blight on those of us who are playing fairly and sticking to the UELA.If the guys at EVE MON or EFT or any of the others decide they would like to go micro transactions as a small business model then by all means let them apply for an optional,(I stress OPTIONAL)licence so you get some royalties , but don't destroy your and my support base chasing a few extra bucks.

So PLEASE use the big stick on RMT sites and not on the hobby Developers.






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