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handige harrie
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:41:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: handige harrie on 15/06/2011 17:43:52
So developers wanting ISK for a service or app have to RMT the isk they made by providing the app/service to be able to pay CCP?

o.0 you stupid?

Than they say $99,- was the smallest amount they could take for auth purposes. Isn't that $0.00 via bank transfer for auth purposes, like paypal does the smallest amount they could take?

like I said in the item shop thread, I think some investors want to see some of their money, and since CCP sold themselves out, they come up with stupid ideas to do it.

There isn't a single good reason in the entire devblog why this would be advantageous for developers of 3rd party things instead of the way things are now, the only one getting better is CCP's wallet.

Malrock
Caldari
Mea Culpa Enigma
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:41:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: NoobPwn
Originally by: Malrock


The only way to do it "securely" i think would be if eve would offer a service similar to app-store (apple/android/nokia/ms) - they would be the ones charging the money and transfering it to developer, the rest of solutions are up for trust, and you should ask yourself a question - do you trust some random unknown developer with your credit card ?


The point is now you don't pay RL money for a killboard and you soon will. There is nothing to do with "secure", or do you seriously think this will end those lottery scams?


this has nothing to do with lottery scams, think of it this way; if company like Sony cannot protect user base data how secure your credit card data will be on small developer site who will charge you say 1$ for 1 month of killboard service ? My security issue is risen toward 3rd party charging you for the service, so they will need to make some kind of payment gateway and keep payment information. This brings us to 3 possible issues;
1. Site security in protecting your payment data, namely credit cards and personal information that can be stolen and used for identity theft and abuse.
2. Scam sites that will abuse users posing as uber "tools" - this will be now much more easier cause there is no mentioning of ccp overwatch at current state.
3. low quality services.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:43:00 - [63]
 

So, when will CCP start paying us for putting links to EVE Online on our sites?


Cylide Askald
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:43:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Jason Edwards

Also Im not a big fan of:

Quote:
Will website ads require a commercial license?

Yes, for ad-supported websites you will require a commercial license.


Ads are hardly something of concern and honestly is CCP going to be going around to every alliance website just to try to shut them down because they havent paid $99 to you? Are you really going to go around and try to seize domains or goto the hosting provider to get them shut down?



Paying 10$ per month for an adfree webserver is still more expensive than 99$ per year, yet a proper server should still be the better option.

Not likeing the changes nontheless.

Htrag
The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:43:00 - [65]
 

It's a step in the right direction, but has some critical flaws.

API use for mashup websites are generally provided for free. Sometimes limitations are placed on the 3rd party website based on API usage metrics, which is where a small fee might be appropriate.

Otherwise this will likely end up squeezing the little guy doing something out of passion for the game... for what $99?

If the goal really is to verify identity, one can bypass this using cc 'giftcards', though I'm not sure why they would want to.

I'd also like to see the actual license involved in regards to transferability, definition of what an application is and any limitations.

Elsa Nietchize
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:43:00 - [66]
 

I like how the only people not affected by this are the RMT sites because they just don't care and CCP can't do anything about them.

Kerrisone
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:44:00 - [67]
 

Quote:
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?

Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.

Will website ads require a commercial license?

Yes, for ad-supported websites you will require a commercial license.

Will donations require a commercial license?

Yes, for donation supported websites you will require a commercial license.


So setting up a corp to put up a highsec POS for ISK requires a commercial license, check.

And supporting your site with ads while not charging users anything requires a commercial license, check.

Finally being open to donations for your website that charges users nothing will require a commercial license.

What if you have no website and do provide a 'service' in game like hauling freight, or do research, does your character need a commercial license or is this only applied to distributed applications and websites that run a service?

Does every site(if you have several) have to get a commercial license? IE someone like Chribba with many sites that may or may not be on the same server.

What are your thoughts on people who try something or put together an app/site to do things that may not bother anymore because they'll need a license. If they have any concept of getting any kind of thanks for their work ie isk/donation they now need to anticipate the 'value' of their work to exceed the actual cost in effort as well as your yearly $99 fee.

These players are now stuck with the choice of either giving it away 'free' with no thought to ever getting anything for it or calculation the 'business success' of it to clear costs and the $99 yearly fee.


Abecbu
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:44:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Abecbu on 15/06/2011 18:18:00
This is good news. It means Capsuleer can be a $0.99 app on the marketplace and make back the CCP and Apple fee instead of just paying the Apple fee out of pocket.

Websites can have ads or have premium subscriptions to cover operating expenses instead of just paying those out of pocket.

$99 isn't that much for the opportunity to use someone else's IP for your own gain.

The only thing that is pushing it is making websites who run on in game currency or donations ONLY with no ads pay the commercial fee.

Shedling
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:44:00 - [69]
 

Lulzsec perhaps?

Oh wait, they only do DDoS :D

NoobPwn
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:45:00 - [70]
 

Oh, that EULA was a scam, and we all clicked "accept", now what do you expect?

Filet de boeuf
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:45:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Filet de boeuf on 15/06/2011 17:48:14
Edited by: Filet de boeuf on 15/06/2011 17:47:56
Quote:
Inexpensive - $99 per year, no other fees


Pretty funny when you're talking about people working on their free time, to make CCP's game better, and who put ads and donation button the pay the host.

Arcadia Seith
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:45:00 - [72]
 

Requiring people to pay you a licence for sites that they are supporting today through google ads and occasional voluntary donations is not a good idea. It will alienate a number of people that are providing valuable services to the community now and are lucky if they come close to covering their costs. The community will be the poorer for their loss.

I suggest you define 'commercial' more closely as, say, charging a subscription or a compulsory fee for access. And provide an enhanced API in exchange for the licence. There are a large number of good suggestions for enhancements on the forums.


Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:46:00 - [73]
 

This is exploitable like crazy.

You just MADE THE DAY FOR RMTERS.

"HI, I made this 10 lines API app, now pay me $100 per copy, I pay CCP a $99 license a year so I am LEGAL".

And on Sykpe: "Ok, here's your RMTed money dude #457, this CCP idea was BRILLIANT!"

DK Metz
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:47:00 - [74]
 

i dont like the idea.. we have a great comunity because many put houres in to make free stuff for the masses. why ruin that ?

Korvin
Gallente
Shadow Kingdom
Best Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:47:00 - [75]
 

LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing
Stop smoking weeds CCP.
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Resivan
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:47:00 - [76]
 

$99/year sounds fine for app makers who want to sell their stuff, you've got to cover admin costs somehow. But you're definition of commercial is way too expansive. At the very least accepting donations in isk and web front-ends for services performed entirely in-game need to be considered non-commercial.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:47:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Cyaxares II on 15/06/2011 17:48:21
Originally by: handige harrie
So developers wanting ISK for a service or app have to RMT the isk they made by providing the app/service to be able to pay CCP?

a thousand times this

think about services like SOMER Blink, EOH, Rothbard's Casino, ... - they just earn ISK, they can hardly charge their customers RL money, they rely heavily on the EVE API and they do probably more to keep people occupied with EVE when they are OOG than EVE Gate, the forums and CCP's twitter/facebook/... pages combined.

Mr M
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:47:00 - [78]
 

Dear CCP

I usually don't say this, but today you suck.

i hatechosingnames
Gallente
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:47:00 - [79]
 

CCP, please concentrate on making a better game instead of more ways to milk money out of subscribers / people helping the game!

PS FIX THE LAG - STOP WITH THE BARBIES IN SPACE ****!

NoobPwn
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:48:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Abecbu
This is the worst community ever.

This is good news. It means Capsuleer can be a $0.99 app on the marketplace and make back the CCP and Apple fee instead of just paying the Apple fee out of pocket.

Websites can have ads or have premium subscriptions to cover operating expenses instead of just paying those out of pocket.

$99 isn't that much for the opportunity to use someone else's IP for your own gain.

The only thing that might be pushing it is making websites who run on in game currency or donations ONLY with no ads pay the commercial fee.


Your last line is self-explanatory, eve-kill has ads just fyi.

Kishin Hattori
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:50:00 - [81]
 

Honestly can't tell if this is just a huge joke or if CCP want to kill off EvE...


I Enjoy Intercourse
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:50:00 - [82]
 

you are essentially encouraging RMTing by forcing a RL currency only fee which has to be paid for charging ISK only, too.

at least let the dev decide if they want to pay the 100bucks/yr or rather 2-3b/yr. yes, this wouldn't cover any "expenses" this program may cause, but it introduces yet another (small) isk sink.

and first of all, it doesn't encourage RMTing.

BetsyAnn Tractorfarmer
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:51:00 - [83]
 

CCP at their finest again.
Pulling ideas out of their asses like the money grabbing bastards that they've become. I'm so glad that my account is expring. While the ship for cash thing didn't annoy me TOO much, THIS is WAY over the top. Are you ****ing real? Are you asking people who use their free time to HELP other people ingame for ANY kind of donation PAY YOU 99$ bucks? You're smoking something that is seriously affecting your brain.

Good luck CCP. You're on a path that will drive quite a few people away. Have fun!

Xailia
Unsteady Corporation
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:51:00 - [84]
 

If anything, CCP should be paying the 3rd party developers for making tools that fill holes in the usability of EVE.

3rd party dev apps/websites should be unrestricted if they don't use EVE assets. And definitely be able to survive on donations in any other circumstances.
No MMO (or non-MMO, e.g. Valve) company I know charges a licensing fee for 3rd party non-commercial devs, not even BLIZZARD does this.

The only things this will do is cause current developers to drop their projects, and discourage new developers from even thinking of making programs unless they don't have any costs associated with making them.

Who's idea was this?

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:51:00 - [85]
 

I have an eve affiliate ad on my website. Will this require a commercial license?

Jefferson H Clay
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:51:00 - [86]
 

Does anybody else hear that noise? It sounds kind of like a cash register...

How does NO, grab you? Do you like NO? Because I'm going to be going with NO.

Welcome CCP to screen scraping hell, hope your website's frontend can cope with it.

Pesadel0
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:52:00 - [87]
 

Stupidity at its best , when companies like beth,blizzard,valve etc, give us the tools to mod their games and evolve it making it better, CCP comes with this brilliant idea revolutionary even Rolling Eyes

Cylide Askald
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:53:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Cylide Askald on 15/06/2011 17:54:46
Originally by: Xailia

Who's idea was this?


I guess Apple's.


And while we're at OS bashing: Android market requires a one time fee of 25$ if I remember it right to register a developer.

Cassandra GIRF
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:53:00 - [89]
 

Apologies if this has already been covered but how do you set up a google ad based site that filters out ads that contravene the CPP rules?

Hyperforce99
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.06.15 17:56:00 - [90]
 

Has CCP been purchased by Activision by any chance, the CCP I know would never ask money from fan-sites! Shocked


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