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Lequil
Posted - 2011.06.16 11:59:00 - [841]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




charge $99 for celestial steeds to come

Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:00:00 - [842]
 

Originally by: Ceq Lysander
CCP have some customer feedback:

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




QFT.


qft

Velicitia
Gallente
Open Designs
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:01:00 - [843]
 

Originally by: Samillian


Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





Do every player a favor and take your BizDev team out and alpha them.




this...

or at least make them actually PLAY THE ****ING GAME.

caveats
* they're not allowed to use ANY of the third party stuff
* their text is a different colour than normal (so we know it's the bizdev ****wits)
* THEY DO NOT GET CCP SHIPS -- 5k isk and a noobship, just like what we got

Jedonius Monus
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:01:00 - [844]
 

Even if you do only keep this change for the people who charge subscriptions/purchases for their apps (afaik no large guys do this except for the botting programmers). How are you going to enforce it? You're going to lose more money than you make suing these people.

Madcapnl
The Rising Stars
The Volition Cult
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:03:00 - [845]
 

Edited by: Madcapnl on 16/06/2011 12:06:02
Hmm I wonder why CCP is only hiring one person on their marketing department http://www.ccpgames.com/en/jobs/job-details.aspx?jobid=249. Seems they need A LOT MORE then just one. This week has classic marketing disaster written all over it, don't you think?

CCP might need to consider setting up a decent commmunity communication department that does not spin, but actually communicates as intended here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication

I quote:

Communication is the activity of conveying meaningful information. Communication requires a sender, a message, and an intended recipient, although the receiver need not be present or aware of the sender's intent to communicate at the time of communication; thus communication can occur across vast distances in time and space. Communication requires that the communicating parties share an area of communicative commonality. The communication process is complete once the receiver has understood the sender.

Maybe CCP should read this and then communicate again with their customers, before none are left.

Edit: excellent communication on the technical issue at startup of the server today.......oh wait.

My sincere apologies for the lack of messaging. We encountered a technical issue at startup which prevented the server to get up in a timely manner. Tranquility is open for business now. @ 12:01 when the server is back up already....

Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:04:00 - [846]
 

Originally by: Ceq Lysander
CCP have some customer feedback:

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




QFT.


qft

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:04:00 - [847]
 


Myra2007
Millstone Industries
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:05:00 - [848]
 

Will those biz dev guys show up here or do they prefer to destroy the game from the shadows? Will Hilmar explain why he thinks everyone here is a whiner and how this devblog was in fact completely reasonable? (That's what he said on twitter only to delete it later - got no balls?)

quygen
Minmatar
Acting Neutral
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:05:00 - [849]
 

Playing Eve for 6+ years, this is is BY FAR the worst Devthread I ever read.

Dudes, read Chribba's post, you ****ed off Chribba..

Doesn't that mean ANYTHING?

Get your act together, some are already shutting down their effort. This is not showing love, to the people that love the game ugh

Hecate Lionfire
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:06:00 - [850]
 

Originally by: Ceq Lysander
CCP have some customer feedback:

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




QFT.


qft

Wookieelover
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:07:00 - [851]
 

Well my first post on these forums, sad that it has to be this topic.Sad

I really do hope CCP lifts their game sometime real soon, In the year i've been playing EVE I've noticed a changing attitude towards the customer base at large.
This is totally a money grab and can not possibly benefit the community in anyway shape or form. If this is about combating RMT then they should come out and say so, or find a more productive less con traversal way of doing so.

And for the CEO to Twit that his customers (the ones that help pay his salary) are whiners shows that they are seriously out of touch with the game community, Atlas's comment that it was a pages of rage also shows a lack of understanding the community feelings.
Do these guys even play EVE ? Their attitudes are saying otherwise.

Come on CCP pull your collective heads out from your asses and see what your doing, hurting the community that has made you what you are today, but might not be tomorrow if recent events continue unchanged.


Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:10:00 - [852]
 

Originally by: Wookieelover
Well my first post on these forums, sad that it has to be this topic.Sad

I really do hope CCP lifts their game sometime real soon, In the year i've been playing EVE I've noticed a changing attitude towards the customer base at large.
This is totally a money grab and can not possibly benefit the community in anyway shape or form. If this is about combating RMT then they should come out and say so, or find a more productive less con traversal way of doing so.

And for the CEO to Twit that his customers (the ones that help pay his salary) are whiners shows that they are seriously out of touch with the game community, Atlas's comment that it was a pages of rage also shows a lack of understanding the community feelings.
Do these guys even play EVE ? Their attitudes are saying otherwise.

Come on CCP pull your collective heads out from your asses and see what your doing, hurting the community that has made you what you are today, but might not be tomorrow if recent events continue unchanged.




^ THIS

I have been on EvE since 2008, and loved it, seriously guys are you lot high on something? drop the dev accounts and come on and game with us all, learn your own game, don't hide behind dev accounts and programming studios with your "scrum" parties. GET ON THE GAME and chill with us players and see what we love about it so much, and why we will "rage" (defend) our game and our way of enjoying it.

Sure in the end it's "your" game you make it, but in the proverbial end we are the ones who pay to keep it running and you are seriously ****ing off a huge portion of your playerbase.

Macsadbro
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:11:00 - [853]
 

Quote:
1) The blog represents the first draft of what our bizdev department is thinking of in terms of the license agreement. We published it to get feedback from you guys. This is not the final word on the matter and we want to build this service up with you so that it's fair and empowers you to build these applications and services which better the game.


Quote:
4) Nothing is set in stone. We're willing to reconsider anything you deem unfair about the program. Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope. Whether that license needs to be $99 per year is something we might reconsider.


My god people. You guy's do know that there are Apps out there that have been waiting for something like this right? Who knows, Capsuleer may come back! (not that i will benefit from that, i lost my ipod ;( )


Harden up.

Read this. It helps

clixor
Celluloid Gurus
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:11:00 - [854]
 

When companies start lying to their customers you know it's only going downhill.

1. Atlas claimed that BIZ DEVS are responsible for this TERRIBAD idea. First of all, any bizdev that comes up with this **** should be FIRED directly.

Second. In the later post by ATLAS he said it's not about the money, why are BIZ DEVS involved then?

2. We wouldn't need all these apps if CCP deliveres their promises. EVE GATE? 1000x fail, nobody is going to use this EVER. But yeah, sorry paying customers, we have to allocate dev time to create microtransactions you ALL want so bad.

SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:12:00 - [855]
 

Edited by: SwissChris1 on 16/06/2011 12:12:43

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you Twisted EvilYARRRR!!


Melina Wolf
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:12:00 - [856]
 

Originally by: Hecate Lionfire
Originally by: Ceq Lysander
CCP have some customer feedback:

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





Demy Slade
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:13:00 - [857]
 

While i understand the comment of this beeing an opurtunity for developers to charge for their work. I do also see a poorly formulated statement and proposition in this dev blog that proves legaly liable, especially for people that are just running small sites to support the Eve Community. And on the other hand i can not preach i don't want my ingame currency made a real life tradegood and then post in the so called first draft my own intentions to do so. That is just wrong.

Baron Holbach
Gallente
Ammo and Tag
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:15:00 - [858]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:15:00 - [859]
 

I wonder how many more hate posts CCP needs until it will scratch the idea completely...and beat THE BIZ DEVS with a stick!

Noname Nonfactor
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:16:00 - [860]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:16:00 - [861]
 

Originally by: Noname Nonfactor
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





marinko26210
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:17:00 - [862]
 

Originally by: Ivanna Nuke
Originally by: Noname Nonfactor
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats






Princess Slayerher
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:18:00 - [863]
 

Edited by: Princess Slayerher on 16/06/2011 12:20:38
Edited by: Princess Slayerher on 16/06/2011 12:20:00
If as Atlas says it's not about the money, then why oh why are they wanting to charge $99 for licencing ?

If it's not about the money then they could make it a free licence of charge $1 or similar.

$99 is purely and simply a cash grab. Some pencil pusher in the bizdev department had a brilliant idea during a late night brainstorming and hey presto "wonderful new changes, to make your lives easier"

CCP dont hand us a glass of **** and say it's wine. Because it's clearly not wine, it's foul and a cheap grab for cash.

Oh Frak i accidently posted with my alt.. Wookieelover

Nankeen Heron
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:18:00 - [864]
 

"Monetizing" for the lulz? Rolling Eyes

Lord Cath
Amarr
Gung-Ho
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:20:00 - [865]
 

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Hecate Lionfire
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:20:00 - [866]
 

Originally by: Lord Cath
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats




SwissChris1
Playboy Delivery Service
S E D I T I O N
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:21:00 - [867]
 

Edited by: SwissChris1 on 16/06/2011 12:21:05
CCP needs the extra cash to help protect them from scriptkiddie hackers LaughingLaughing

Falrec
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:22:00 - [868]
 

Edited by: Falrec on 16/06/2011 12:23:00
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





/thread

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:23:00 - [869]
 

Nerfing nullsec was "easy" despite the 117 page customer feedback thread that said "NO", because the opinions of posters on that thread could be attributed to in-game politics.

This time, CCP, you can't count on in-game politics to turn this thread into trollfest (even if you know that the community is right).

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.16 12:23:00 - [870]
 

Originally by: Macsadbro
My god people. You guy's do know that there are Apps out there that have been waiting for something like this right? Who knows, Capsuleer may come back! (not that i will benefit from that, i lost my ipod ;(


Remember: STOP, THINK, OBSERVE, PLAN, and only then, act.

Read the devblog. Read it again with this in mind: there are services already running out there which are "free" but ad-supported. They generate revenue through advertising. These "free" services will have to find extra revenue to pay for the $99/yr licence since they generate a few tens of dollars a year from advertising.

That is what the ruckus is about.

We are raising a ruckus because we want to make sure that CCP gets the message: the current format of the conditions means that CCP will be charging third party developers for the work that those developers are doing for free to make the EVE Online community the wonderful thing it is.


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