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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:41:00 - [571]
 

I'd also like to add that this whole thing REEKS of CCP sponsored RMT (albeit the isk is sourced indirectly):

"Pay only $4.99/m and make BILLIONS in EVE with our 3'rd party app! Triple money-back guarantee!" <- mining, trading, market check, moon mapping websites

"For $4.99/m you can dominate your opponents! Your superior intel will make you a PvP god!" <- fitting tools, PvP maps, killboards, jumpplanners, ship fit databases

This would kill EVE imo, we do not want a two tiered EVE with peasants and princes. Peasants are regular EVE players that do not fork out cash on utilities, whereas princes will have a clear edge in almost every aspect of EVE, as they are paying for multiple utilities.

GAMEBREAKINGLY BAD IDEA
Your entire bizdev department needs to be crucified for even suggesting this ****ed up piece of **** idea.

Troy LS
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:44:00 - [572]
 

Quote:
Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?

Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.


So me and my corpmates haul stuff all over New Eden for people who are too busy to do it themselves and have spare isk in their pod. This constitutes an exchange of service for isk. Will I have to buy a license to continue to play the game?

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:44:00 - [573]
 

If CCP is one of the best companies in Iceland that country must be in a pretty awful state.

Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:45:00 - [574]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Unfortunately, CSM was not given a preview of this devblog.


Unacceptable CCP. Unacceptable. This is what the primary function of the CSM should relate to.

Disregard my previous balanced comments in this thread.


Sidrat Flush
Caldari
Eve Industrial Corp
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:46:00 - [575]
 

Over the last few months or so, I've had this feeling that I wasn't able to put into words.

Until today that is, when another dev blog comes along mentioning something totally unannounced before the press release date and it hits me.

The management structure surrounds themselves with 'Yes' people. Or they make a decision all by themselves and only shares bits and pieces of the total plan with the individual scrum/sprint teams and no one in the company really knows what's happening until they read the dev blog and go omg!

With fewer lies in the blog (whether we charge $99, $50 or $1 won't make a difference to the balance sheet - huh!!), and a totally different approach to sounding out the big names that support CCP by introducing tools that a) work, b) offer what people want and in many cases what people need to enjoy the game rather than the note taking, you wouldn't have opened up ANOTHER forum drama-bomb.

There's been way too many to count recently and it's not as if the game itself is calling me to play it.

I will probably not bother renewing next month, not because I want the character to lose training points, it's just that I can't honestly say what I'll be training up to do in the first place.

Naryamn
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:48:00 - [576]
 

Originally by: Outofphaze
That being said, sadly there's not much we can do about it


Well, there is!!!

I propose every single 3th party application to bring them offline asap and put a protest page about this proposal in their place for the time its needed.

Maybe, when CCP sees that even the granny of the uncle of your mother complains in the forums that they lost access to one of the most useful things Eve has and when they start to see the number of subscriptions reducing they might open their eyes!

Just hope it isn't too late!

Optional Patch
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:49:00 - [577]
 

CCP isn't doing this for the money, they are trying to a> police the IP and b> enable people to make money selling their eve-related apps and services.

They just went about it in a spectacularly poor fashion as usual.

Having the CEO roll his eyes at his 'whining customers' doesn't help, and let's us all know where we stand. CCP are one of, if not the most arrogant developers in the business, ask anyone who meets the execs at a GDC.

Naryamn
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:51:00 - [578]
 

Originally by: Bomberlocks
If CCP is one of the best companies in Iceland that country must be in a pretty awful state.


It is....

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:54:00 - [579]
 

Dear CCP bizdev,

You have jumped the shark. The folks behind Capsuleer (who have long since abandoned the project in disgust) wanted the option to get a licence from CCP to sell their iPhone App for real money. So now you come out and propose what is effectively a scorched-earth policy of "all or nothing".

Here is how your policy should work:

Developers who wish to sell, license or offer their service for subscriptions in real world currencies should be able to buy a licence from CCP for the $99pa which grants them a license to use CCPs copyright (i.e.: "EVE Online", the various images associated with the game, etc).

Developers who wish to sell, licence or offer their service for subscriptions in ISK should be able to buy a licence from CCP for N x PLEX pa which grants them the same license.

This way CCP still gets the money to support their third party business development group, people who want to make personal financial gain from enhancing your property can do so, the users of third party apps get to attach a real value to the properties they are associated with, and those who are doing their thing as a gift to the community can continue simply doing their thing as a gift to the community.

The process of collecting subscriptions and managing the licence with CCP is adding more work to the work that developers are already doing. Those who are specifically charging for their service are obviously interested in doing a little extra work to make a lot of extra income (either real or virtual). Those who are providing a service out of their own good will should not be punished for the generosity of the community.

Of course, CCP could run with something like the Apple App Store, where all subscriptions are sold through CCP, with CCP skimming some of each payment. This raises the issue of subscription validation, which is tricky, since we're not simply installing apps on an iPhone here but controlling access to a third party service. On the other hand, an "EVE Online App Store" would tie directly in with the MT store, and provide the benefit of giving all third party developers a means to advertise their service.

Third party developers could sell their services as a subscription through the EVE Store, with the buyer receiving a subscription token which they then surrender to the service provider through their logged in account on that third party service, in order to update their subscription details (i.e.: similarly to the way a GTC works through the EVE web site).

When we open the EVE Store in-game, we could then see a bunch of different categories, things like 'ingame items', 'physical products', 'IGB services', 'OOG services', 'RSS services' etc. Thus I could - for example - stockpile PLEX and use those plex to buy a Fleet Tempest model to be delivered to my home, or I could subscribe to Wollari's map service for the next five years, or I could buy my character the entire Guristas Grey uniform, or a premium membership to EVEnews24. Or whatever.

I don't claim to be speaking on behalf of Wollari or riverini, I'm just using their services as examples of how I might use this third party service subscription model.

Rather than coughing up $99 up front, the third party developers could funnel their funding through CCP, allowing CCP to simply take a cut of every payment made - ISK or otherwise. Folks like Chribba get to keep running their service for free.

Selling Apps through the App store becomes a little more complicated. I'm sure the developers, CCP and Apple could sort something out (such as third parties writing the apps, CCP publishing them, Apple selling them, CCP taking a cut of what Apple pays, third party gets the remainder).

Dimitryy
Gallente
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:54:00 - [580]
 

One of the best things about Eve and about CCP was allowing the free use of API, and it spawned lots of awesome third party software like EFT and EveMon. Its a shame to see this happen to what was one of the standout features of Eve.


Arec Bardwin
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:56:00 - [581]
 

Edited by: Arec Bardwin on 16/06/2011 00:57:27
Originally by: Naryamn

I propose every single 3th party application to bring them offline asap and put a protest page about this proposal in their place for the time its needed.

This would be hilarious.

Originally by: Optional Patch

Having the CEO roll his eyes at his 'whining customers' doesn't help, and let's us all know where we stand. CCP are one of, if not the most arrogant developers in the business, ask anyone who meets the execs at a GDC.

Yeah, what's up with this guy.

Abraxus Lazzurs
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:59:00 - [582]
 

It's not often I post up on the forums, but I think I need to this time. I think this is an terrible idea. I'm all for micro-transactions to get myself a new ship skin, etc. But this is just lame.

Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.06.16 00:59:00 - [583]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Dear CCP bizdev,

You have jumped the shark. The folks behind Capsuleer (who have long since abandoned the project in disgust) wanted the option to get a licence from CCP to sell their iPhone App for real money. So now you come out and propose what is effectively a scorched-earth policy of "all or nothing".

Here is how your policy should work:

Developers who wish to sell, license or offer their service for subscriptions in real world currencies should be able to buy a licence from CCP for the $99pa which grants them a license to use CCPs copyright (i.e.: "EVE Online", the various images associated with the game, etc).

Developers who wish to sell, licence or offer their service for subscriptions in ISK should be able to buy a licence from CCP for N x PLEX pa which grants them the same license.

This way CCP still gets the money to support their third party business development group, people who want to make personal financial gain from enhancing your property can do so, the users of third party apps get to attach a real value to the properties they are associated with, and those who are doing their thing as a gift to the community can continue simply doing their thing as a gift to the community.

The process of collecting subscriptions and managing the licence with CCP is adding more work to the work that developers are already doing. Those who are specifically charging for their service are obviously interested in doing a little extra work to make a lot of extra income (either real or virtual). Those who are providing a service out of their own good will should not be punished for the generosity of the community.

Of course, CCP could run with something like the Apple App Store, where all subscriptions are sold through CCP, with CCP skimming some of each payment. This raises the issue of subscription validation, which is tricky, since we're not simply installing apps on an iPhone here but controlling access to a third party service. On the other hand, an "EVE Online App Store" would tie directly in with the MT store, and provide the benefit of giving all third party developers a means to advertise their service.

Third party developers could sell their services as a subscription through the EVE Store, with the buyer receiving a subscription token which they then surrender to the service provider through their logged in account on that third party service, in order to update their subscription details (i.e.: similarly to the way a GTC works through the EVE web site).

When we open the EVE Store in-game, we could then see a bunch of different categories, things like 'ingame items', 'physical products', 'IGB services', 'OOG services', 'RSS services' etc. Thus I could - for example - stockpile PLEX and use those plex to buy a Fleet Tempest model to be delivered to my home, or I could subscribe to Wollari's map service for the next five years, or I could buy my character the entire Guristas Grey uniform, or a premium membership to EVEnews24. Or whatever.

I don't claim to be speaking on behalf of Wollari or riverini, I'm just using their services as examples of how I might use this third party service subscription model.

Rather than coughing up $99 up front, the third party developers could funnel their funding through CCP, allowing CCP to simply take a cut of every payment made - ISK or otherwise. Folks like Chribba get to keep running their service for free.

Selling Apps through the App store becomes a little more complicated. I'm sure the developers, CCP and Apple could sort something out (such as third parties writing the apps, CCP publishing them, Apple selling them, CCP taking a cut of what Apple pays, third party gets the remainder).



An example of a sensible, well thought out proposal that may have ben proffered had the CSM had any involvement. On it's own merits, it's awesome. What a shame a ****storm had to happen.

Wisper Frozen
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:01:00 - [584]
 

Edited by: Wisper Frozen on 16/06/2011 01:05:58
Originally by: Soi Mala
Calling it now - CCP have done a microsoft.

CCP have watched people developing tools for free all this time, now they'll start charging for a license. If the 3rd parties pay and carry on, good news for CCP, money for nothing. If they stop developing, CCP now knows what they need to do (especially since most projects are open source), and will release their own CCPEVEMON or CCPEFT and charge for the usage.

Well played, ***gots.




Not quite Microsoft more Apple.. Microsoft gives out the tools for windows development for free because they know more apps means more users which is where they make the money. Apple wants to be a 30% stake in your business for 0 investment.

Just correct that but yea it sucks...

EDIT:Spelling

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:04:00 - [585]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 16/06/2011 01:04:00
Originally by: Arec Bardwin
Edited by: Arec Bardwin on 16/06/2011 00:57:27
Originally by: Naryamn

I propose every single 3th party application to bring them offline asap and put a protest page about this proposal in their place for the time its needed.

This would be hilarious.



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Leil Ren'Do
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:07:00 - [586]
 

Hilmar can I please suck your **** for $100?
You're that awesome you see.

Elrinarie
Gallente
Scan This
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:14:00 - [587]
 

so wait.. you guys are going to start finding gaming websites that reference EVE-Online and start charging them money?

What about people that make free tools like my mineral calculator. I don't charge a dime, haven't made a dime, but host them on places that might run ads so now I might have to pay 99 a year?

really?

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:26:00 - [588]
 

Originally by: CCP Atlas
So, what's going on in my feedback thre... HOLY CRAP, 9 pages of hate! ShockedShockedShocked

Anyway, thank you all for your input so far. Based on your comments, I feel I should step in to clarify a few things and address some concerns.

1) The blog represents the first draft of what our bizdev department is thinking of in terms of the license agreement. We published it to get feedback from you guys. This is not the final word on the matter and we want to build this service up with you so that it's fair and empowers you to build these applications and services which better the game.


Which buttarded asshat thought it would be a good idea to publish this without explicitly saying that it was a draft? Right, no one. As per fcking usual you came up with a hilariously bad idea, thinking you're in the same league as Apple, and ran with it.

Quote:

2) Regarding this clause:
Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?
A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.


I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.


If you clowns do anything like charge for in-game services I would be willing to make a $99 bet with you that the number of customers will have halved by the end of the year.
Quote:

3) This project is not about CCP making money. Whether we charge $100 or $50 or $10 for a commercial license won't make a big difference to our balance sheet. $99 is the lowest that we estimated that we could reasonably go and still justify the cost of the service. If this is too high for app developers, this is something that could possibly be revisited.


I'm speechless. You now need to charge for things that were free until now? Is CCP that hard up for cash? Also, again, CCP isn't Apple or Android. You people seriously need to rethink what you are doing. Up the subscription fee by a Dollar a month, but don't chase the people away who make your hilariously badly made game playable.
Quote:

4) Nothing is set in stone. We're willing to reconsider anything you deem unfair about the program. Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope. Whether that license needs to be $99 per year is something we might reconsider.


You morons really need to drop the idea of charging people for ad or donation supported site RIGHT FCKING NOW! NONE of those sites cover their own costs for the work they do FOR FREE, and now you want $99 a year from them? Simply fcking insane.
Quote:

Please help us by continuing to give constructive feedback into how you want this service to be since our motives are really to empower 3rd party development and not to try to squeeze money out of starving programmers.


You want a constructive suggestion? DROP THE ENTIRE IDEA. You want a compromise? ONLY CHARGE FOR APPS AND SITES THAT DIRECTLY CHARGE REAL MONEY THEMSELVES.
Quote:

Our Biz Dev department will give us some more answers and clarify ambiguity. Rest assured this will change to suit your needs and our aim is to make you want to develop software and services for EVE and not to throw obstacles in your way.

You need to fire those rejects right now.

What, in the name of all that is holy is wrong with you cretins at CCP?????

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:33:00 - [589]
 

Originally by: Naryamn
I propose every single 3th party application to bring them offline asap and put a protest page about this proposal in their place for the time its needed.


Web site managers would need to make sure that the protest page actually indicates the reason the site is down, of course. Something short and brutal such as, "I run this site for free. F YOU CCP." With a link to this thread, using the same colour scheme as the forums :)

Fraeulein Rottenmaier
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:36:00 - [590]
 

Edited by: Fraeulein Rottenmaier on 16/06/2011 02:29:26
Edited by: Fraeulein Rottenmaier on 16/06/2011 02:28:49
Holy Crap! 20 Sites of HATE already LaughingShocked

obey!
pay!
u whiners!!!

oh btw: u want to squeeze out more money from the players? hmkay...i will quit this account...adios!

Surrah
Supra Tenetur
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:39:00 - [591]
 


Originally by: Chribba
ok seriously, I've like Ctrl+A, backspace this post 5 times now, tbh I'm out of words. something for the community is just ****ing ******ed! Just hearing this makes my interest/will for developing things crash.

...

I'm just very sad to see this even being discussed, talk about a punch in the face.

/c


Originally by: Chribba
...

Having had the honor of being with both you and the community since 2003, I have seen EVE grow, and tbh we wouldn't be nowhere where we are today if it wasn't for the tools you provided to us pilots to enable us to create such great things as EFT, EVEMon, dotlan, GTS, EveHQ, spreadsheets and so on.

...

With a license, most of any future idea will never become more than just an idea.

I love CCP, to me you are the most awesome gaming company around, you provide your customers with an amazing set of tools, features, experiences, humor and you offer yourselves to your customers like no one else - that is something special, that is what makes your customers loyal, and keep wanting to support your (at times) crazy ideas.

...

At least I have no intention of charging the users of my sites, and rather shut down them than forcing the users to pay me to keep it online.

...

Scrap this draft


You've upset Chribba, the weather vane of EVE.

Originally by: Kronus Heilgar

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats

olsted
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:40:00 - [592]
 

Oh good lord. Did Activision buy CCP also?

Really boys, Shelve this Incarna nonsence, Throw Dust514 out, Stop the Madness and FIX MY SPACESHIP GAME!!!

-O.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:43:00 - [593]
 

Sorry to double-post, but I think CCP needs to realise that third party apps are far more valuable to most players than any clothes will ever be. It is in CCPs interest to help the third party developers make money rather than attempt to extort money from third party developers. Some of those developers might want to cash in on some of the EVE Store action if you open up a "free, with percentage of profits" licence scheme. They can start small and as you make money for them, the money rolls into your coffers too.

This is the story of the goose that laid the golden eggs, made incarnate.

(see what I did there)

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:45:00 - [594]
 

It has become apparent to me that you can now tell to what extent CPP is proposing to skull**** the community in their latest solo run by reading the blog header and noting the use and frequency of words such as "great announcement," "wonderful news," and "exciting development."

p.s. The Chribba hath looked, and he hath frowned, and he hath spake, and the "great news" hath been exposed as the harlot she is.

Salene Gralois
K-2
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:47:00 - [595]
 

Pretty epic. Doing more damage to your rep yourself than lulzsec ever dreamed of doing.

NGTM1R
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:53:00 - [596]
 

The thing that strikes me about this is CCP is pretending they have a platform you could develop a series of profitable apps for. That's not the case. There's a very limited window left for this sort of thing, because of EFT/Jumpplanner/KBs etc. already existing. I don't see a way you can create something that doesn't already have a free competitor in widespread use with the use of APIs, and then good luck getting a pay alternative to work.

In a sense, CCP would have to destroy the freebie API key using things to make any market for pay ones. If that's what this plan is about, then bravo: you've reached mustache-twirling evil overlord levels of complexity is stupid. If it's not, then the plan is dead aborning.

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:53:00 - [597]
 

Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: CCP Atlas
So, what's going on in my feedback thre... HOLY CRAP, 9 pages of hate! ShockedShockedShocked

Anyway, thank you all for your input so far. Based on your comments, I feel I should step in to clarify a few things and address some concerns.

1) The blog represents the first draft of what our bizdev department is thinking of in terms of the license agreement. We published it to get feedback from you guys. This is not the final word on the matter and we want to build this service up with you so that it's fair and empowers you to build these applications and services which better the game.


Which buttarded asshat thought it would be a good idea to publish this without explicitly saying that it was a draft? Right, no one. As per fcking usual you came up with a hilariously bad idea, thinking you're in the same league as Apple, and ran with it.

Quote:

2) Regarding this clause:
Q: Will services for in-game currency require a commercial license?
A: Yes, if you require any sort of payment for your services you will need a commercial license.


I've spoken to Biz Dev and this is something that might be revised, possibly to exclude ISK payments. I'll let you know as soon as I know more.


If you clowns do anything like charge for in-game services I would be willing to make a $99 bet with you that the number of customers will have halved by the end of the year.
Quote:

3) This project is not about CCP making money. Whether we charge $100 or $50 or $10 for a commercial license won't make a big difference to our balance sheet. $99 is the lowest that we estimated that we could reasonably go and still justify the cost of the service. If this is too high for app developers, this is something that could possibly be revisited.


I'm speechless. You now need to charge for things that were free until now? Is CCP that hard up for cash? Also, again, CCP isn't Apple or Android. You people seriously need to rethink what you are doing. Up the subscription fee by a Dollar a month, but don't chase the people away who make your hilariously badly made game playable.
Quote:

4) Nothing is set in stone. We're willing to reconsider anything you deem unfair about the program. Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope. Whether that license needs to be $99 per year is something we might reconsider.


You morons really need to drop the idea of charging people for ad or donation supported site RIGHT FCKING NOW! NONE of those sites cover their own costs for the work they do FOR FREE, and now you want $99 a year from them? Simply fcking insane.
Quote:

Please help us by continuing to give constructive feedback into how you want this service to be since our motives are really to empower 3rd party development and not to try to squeeze money out of starving programmers.


You want a constructive suggestion? DROP THE ENTIRE IDEA. You want a compromise? ONLY CHARGE FOR APPS AND SITES THAT DIRECTLY CHARGE REAL MONEY THEMSELVES.
Quote:

Our Biz Dev department will give us some more answers and clarify ambiguity. Rest assured this will change to suit your needs and our aim is to make you want to develop software and services for EVE and not to throw obstacles in your way.

You need to fire those rejects right now.

What, in the name of all that is holy is wrong with you cretins at CCP?????

QUEUE EFF TEA

The more I think about this stupid decision by CCP, the more my URGE TO KILL RISES!
If this comes about I'll gladly tell CCP to go **** themselves re my subs, and actively dissuade anyone from playing EVE or DUST.

I'd rather eat raw chicken than be forced to pay for use of 3'rd party utilities.
You've got 20, going on 21 pages of PURE UNADULTERATED HATERAGE about this, get a ****ing clue and throw this idea in the bin.

Cuhlen
Tower of Ravens
The Laughing Men
Posted - 2011.06.16 01:54:00 - [598]
 

Edited by: Cuhlen on 16/06/2011 02:16:31
This is great news! I'm glad CCP has decide to amend its TOS like this. This should help to encourage the development of some great applications.

That being said, there are issues with the announcement that need refining, which you have already mentioned.

One thing I don't think alot of the folks who have commented on this realize, is that MANY of the current 3rd party applications and websites are in violation of the existing TOS. Basically, if someone uses any CCP IP (such as art content, copyrighted text/descriptions, etc), and accepts donations or charges ISK for their services (banner designers, etc), then they are in violation of the terms of service. This amendment provides a means for people to come into compliance.

All in all, it's a good thing.









Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.06.16 02:05:00 - [599]
 

Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I'd also like to add that this whole thing REEKS of CCP sponsored RMT (albeit the isk is sourced indirectly):

"Pay only $4.99/m and make BILLIONS in EVE with our 3'rd party app! Triple money-back guarantee!" <- mining, trading, market check, moon mapping websites

"For $4.99/m you can dominate your opponents! Your superior intel will make you a PvP god!" <- fitting tools, PvP maps, killboards, jumpplanners, ship fit databases

This would kill EVE imo, we do not want a two tiered EVE with peasants and princes. Peasants are regular EVE players that do not fork out cash on utilities, whereas princes will have a clear edge in almost every aspect of EVE, as they are paying for multiple utilities.

GAMEBREAKINGLY BAD IDEA
Your entire bizdev department needs to be crucified for even suggesting this ****ed up piece of **** idea.


Exactly my thoughts.

To clarify:

I'm in a process of building an all-around industrial application that will be published and made available to EVE community. I don't plan to charge for it, but I've planned to put "If you like this app, please send some ISK" in it. This application is something I'm building in my free time and can be useful to many industrialists out there, but I'm NOT prepared to pay ANY $$$s just because there's a hint that I accept ISK donations (not that I expect to get more than a couple of mil of ISK anyway).

With the policy about ISK donations in place in the current form presented in devblog, I'll just share the app with people I know to give them an advantage over all other players. There's no reason whatsoever why I should share the app with the rest of the community. I'm not paying $$$s for a piece of software that I've wrote myself - period.

Tweakalvos
Gallente
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.06.16 02:09:00 - [600]
 

I'm sorry but with the DUST stuff and RMT and Arum are you really trying to milk us like blizzard does for a pony? I mean seriously I can understand your developing 3 mmos basically. But shafting the people who got you here for greed is a blizzard move. And really should be rethought. FIX botting and things then come back to me about bs.


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