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RasTrent
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:41:00 - [511]
 

The third party developers and service providers go out of their way and spend hundreds of hours making apps which assist the community making this game which has a renowned learning curve easily accessed, or service providers like Chribba who have supplied the community with such things as Eve-Files which hosts many videos of the game which are linked out and subsequently gain your company new subscribers, as does Hulkageddon, and other such player created communal events. Enforcing such a policy will in turn drive these people away who are helping the community grow stronger.

We understand that CCP is a business and businesses need to earn money (that is totally fine, i pay my subscriptions we all do). But for the sake of the players in the community please go about this in a more honest fashion. Simple as "don't bite the hand that feeds you". There are other ways CCP could gain revenue such as crack down on the RMT issues... blah blah beating a dead badger into the asteroid here.

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:41:00 - [512]
 

this is probably going to trash a good number of third party developers as is, can't be a good move, CCP.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:42:00 - [513]
 

Originally by: cerbus
I do feel for the people at CCP sometimes, they are infact Human.

but still...


If you feel for them Buy them a matching drool cup for their helmets in the money store......

Can we change thee name of the game from Eve Online to Wallet Vacuum Online?

Wollari
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nation
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:42:00 - [514]
 

I'm just really think If I really should write my opinion and start raging about the ignorance from CCP again.

I'm very very disappointed.

Why the hell did I spend my time in Island on the fanfest trying to discuss the exact problems in the Dev Track Roundtable while all my concerns have been completely ignored. There's basically NO CHANGE compared to what you've told on fanfest.

Why did it take so long to this announcement when NOTHING changed compared to your first idea discussed at fanfest. Absolutely nothing and even community destroying with far more grayish areas.

I guess every little blog writer who's putting ads on his page and using CCP's images must have a 99$ license. Don't tell me you want don't wanna make money? In which world is CCP living?

I've no problem to pay 99$ if i would like to sell a premium service or real application for real money. But I don't like the idea for charging money for donations (as long as they're not affiliated with services after you donated only) or web advertisements.

Every $thing that generates real money on my page makes me a commercial entities?
* Links to GTC Seller (where you get a small part of your redirect sells)
* Links to CCP's own affiliate program where you get $$$ for every new customer who registered through your link?

What about the fansite program/listing?
* On the one side CCP is happy to have a great community and offers them Fansite Fanfest Badges, etc, etc while charging them for 99$ so they actually are allowed to provide their service?

While all this hate and rage, I still have to think about the topic from the #eve-dev IRC channel. "We don't actually play eve"

Why should I pay a 2nd subscription fee for a game that I don't actually play cause I spend more time developing and providing a great service for the whole community.

Basically the big sites and tools which are created by the community are generating more new customers, customer satisfaction (cause players can easier achieve their goals in Eve) and revenue @ CCP than any other advertising campaign in your local gaming magazine...

I'm sorry. If you really want to lose your best community and supporters you got then you're on the right "dev track". Did you ever have listened to the community in this regard or do you just listen to your Biz Department which seems to be completely unfamiliar with the word "community" and the reality in general.

I guess I should stop here ... You haven't listen to the feedback on the fanfest, why want you listen to the feedback in this "Hate Thread".

Waste of time

Daionnis
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:42:00 - [515]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
Edited by: Helicity Boson on 15/06/2011 22:24:45
Originally by: Mechanoid Kryten
Edited by: Mechanoid Kryten on 15/06/2011 22:12:11

Also i was using free Eve Industrialist accounts as a sort of "thank you" prize for GrieferGeddon (anti-hulkageddon resistance contest that made the eve news) participation because poor as i am from coding instead of mining i had nothing else to give out. Now that they will be free they will also be worthless even as such. Maybe I'll manage to mine enough that i can give out 1m to everyone instead.

I will continue to work on my eve related apps because mining and coding is just what I DO in this game. But i will from now on prioritize mining over coding. I will not allow my mining lasers to die or take weeks away from mining to work on a piece of code I really enjoy. (A day or two at the most)

user restrictions on both my apps will go away soon. (but not too soon -- as I won't be taking time away from mining to fix this)

This is a sad day for me.


If it makes you feel any better, there won't BE any more hulkageddon either if they do this.

I'm not willing to pay 99 dollars to provide content for THEM to make more money off of either.

EVE online is a crap game with no content beyond the content that WE, the PLAYERS, generate.

Nobody plays EVE for their s h i t PvE content, or "balanced" PvP content.

People only come to this game for the stories. We are the people that make the stories, we are the people that create the content that pays for CCPs rent.

This disrespect and stupidity will need to end soon, or there will be no more stories.

Ever.




I have to call shenanigans, bro.

I play EVE for the PVE. I love shooting the pirate ships that spawn one wave after another. I love feeling like a spaceborne god when I slaughter thousands of ships a day. I love raking in the money as a result. Incursions are awesome; I can't get enough of them, and the friends that I meet in the public channels while doing the Incursions are a great bonus!

PVP? I may be in a PVP corp in a 0.0 PVP alliance, but I can't PVP to save my life. I mean, I have a few cheap kills from my stealth bomber, when I just so happened to land on a red frigate gang on a gate. Bombs away! But, aside from that, my killboard's efficiency rating is so far into the red that only solo killing a faction-fit carrier could bring it back up.

It ****es me off to see bitter old veterans like you say stuff like "Waaaaaah the game is breaking because CCP wants to X, which is mutually exclusive to what I want it to be with Y, woe is meeeeeeee!".

But, in the end? I don't give two craps. So a few hundred people will leave the game. Not a single thing will be lost. TEST Alliance will still be here. NC will still be here. So will Goons, Red Alliance, IRC, PL, etc. The game doesn't revolve around how you react to a damned devblog.

By the way, you pay for monthly internet, monthly phone/cellular, monthly EVE subscriptions (If you don't make that PLEX in time, that is), monthly water/sewage/electricity/cable, you pay for your grocery trips, home payments, car payments, etc.

What's $99 USD a year to anyone? Let's do some math here: $99 / 12 months = $8.25

That's less than a WoW subscription. Way, way less. In fact, I don't think there's a game on the market with a monthly pay rate that costs that little. I could be wrong, though.

Suck it up.

TL;DR Less QQ, moar pew pew

BTW, if you end up quitting, I'll totally have your stuffs.

-Shaddz

Trolling comments removed. Zymurgist

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:43:00 - [516]
 



The way this dev blog reads, with the horrible grammar they use reads as follows.

If you are a third party developer, ie killboards, websites, and other stuff. YOU the developer, can charge money for your services, as long as you pay ccp 99 a year.

You must pay this fee though if you do one of the following.

Ask for donations to support your site.
Have eve online banners
Any links to eve online sites.



Also it seems to read, if you do none of those, you are ok and they cannot charge you. Oh and if you use google, shame on you.


so here is my thing.

WHAT THE HOLY **** ARE YOU GUYS DOING??

5n4keyes
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:45:00 - [517]
 

From reading the dev blog and some posts in this forum, it seams clear that many third party services will simply stop after this planned change.

Many services, such a char monitors, and killboards, rely on adverts to cover server costs, knowing some of these providers, I know that several dip into there own pockets to cover the cost of such services.

Asking for $99 to be fair is a joke, and the money token for CCP, for what seams like no extra support, no extra services, to basically continue with what they are currently getting.

That being said, If CCP was to provide a service purely for third party providers, which these sites can then use, maybe to get better API, or more services, then this is worth paying for. Im not sure exactly what could be added, but im sure there are many things API wise that say 10 apps could grab, which say 300,000 accounts would overload, or would never ever need.

Eve's third party services are what makes this game, the killboards, the char monitors, even the map sites, all would be seriously harmed if charged, to be honest, these sites should become partners, rather than customers, take a leaf from youtube, and partner these services, dont harm the services.


Mechanoid Kryten
N0VA 5
Brainfarts
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:47:00 - [518]
 

Originally by: Helicity Boson
Edited by: Helicity Boson on 15/06/2011 22:24:45
Originally by: Mechanoid Kryten
Edited by: Mechanoid Kryten on 15/06/2011 22:12:11

Also i was using free Eve Industrialist accounts as a sort of "thank you" prize for GrieferGeddon (anti-hulkageddon resistance contest that made the eve news) participation because poor as i am from coding instead of mining i had nothing else to give out. Now that they will be free they will also be worthless even as such. Maybe I'll manage to mine enough that i can give out 1m to everyone instead.

I will continue to work on my eve related apps because mining and coding is just what I DO in this game. But i will from now on prioritize mining over coding. I will not allow my mining lasers to die or take weeks away from mining to work on a piece of code I really enjoy. (A day or two at the most)

user restrictions on both my apps will go away soon. (but not too soon -- as I won't be taking time away from mining to fix this)

This is a sad day for me.


If it makes you feel any better, there won't BE any more hulkageddon either if they do this.

I'm not willing to pay 99 dollars to provide content for THEM to make more money off of either.

EVE online is a crap game with no content beyond the content that WE, the PLAYERS, generate.

Nobody plays EVE for their s h i t PvE content, or "balanced" PvP content.

People only come to this game for the stories. We are the people that make the stories, we are the people that create the content that pays for CCPs rent.

This disrespect and stupidity will need to end soon, or there will be no more stories.

Ever.




Thank you, sir! On the grounds that "the enemy of the enemy is my friend" I think we can stand together with common ground on this one.

But no, i would not want to see Hulkageddon gone in this way because of this or any other ccp silliness of this nature. I agree that the stories of eve are what make it great, and there are no stories in this. "ccp decided to be WoW in space or STO online and then it died" is not a good story.
I would like you to learn the error of your ways, or at least a future Hulkageddon defeated by mobilizing the carebear majority of this game.
That would be a good story.

See.. as much as I would have liked to be known for eve-related applications and services like the carebears I admire (one of whom quit!), I'm just not that good of a developer.
GrieferGeddon was getting me a lot of attention I enjoyed, but I know full well that since it is a reactionary event to your event rather than an actual innovation, which your event is, it and the attention it gives me depends entirely on you. I would even say it (and you) gave me my 15 minutes of eve-fame.

Without GrieferGeddon AND without coding my applications while mining, eve might as well be a single-player game for me!

I fully support ccp's 99$ fee for anyone wanting to charge real money -- and real money only -- for their apps. Isk fees that are under 99$ worth of plex or voluntary donations should not be included.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:49:00 - [519]
 

So, we have a wee bit of a threadnaught on our hands, gentlemen. I've been bombed with queries about this from concerned parties -- I picked a bad day to get the summer crud...

Unfortunately, CSM was not given a preview of this devblog. If we had been, these would have been my suggestions:

* Explain the real purpose of the $99 fee. I assume that it is to establish a valid contract that attempts to indemnify CCP against harm if the licensee gets sued, and/or cover the contract issuance costs for both the commercial and non-commercial licensees. If there is an overwhelming legal consideration that requires you to charge for certain types of licenses, explain this clearly.

* If the reason for the $99 fee is just to cover your licensing costs, then you are being penny-wise and pound-foolish. Each extra app that gets developed because you issue free licenses will result in much more income due to increased retention. "Do not bind the mouths of the kine that tread the grain," as it were.

* If you must charge, then:

* * Differentiate between different classes of licensee; there are probably three: those who charge a RL$ fee, those who accept RL$ donations or sell ads (especially to cover costs), and those who charge in-game fees or accept in-game donations. One price does not fit all, and arguably all but the first should be free or a token ($1).

* * Allow people to upgrade their license, so they can start developing for free, then monetize their app later.

Jaddar
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:52:00 - [520]
 

Edited by: Jaddar on 15/06/2011 23:08:27
The summary of all these pages of... comments is this:

- we have no problem paying 99$ / year for a license as long as we make real money selling our applications
- we do have a problem paying 99$ / year for a license if we don't make real money selling our applications

Where "selling our applications" means earning real money in exchange for giving people access to use the application.

How can the license terms be changed to reflect this? Perhaps there could be multiple licenses, each with different terms for different purposes?

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:52:00 - [521]
 

How pathetic.ugh

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:53:00 - [522]
 

Quote:
Starting this summer you will be able to charge people for usage of your applications, websites and services for EVE Online.


I think CCP finally caught on that the Eve community currently supports the private app developer. Wheteher it is with Isk in game or with a small paypal donation. Eve players appreciate the efforts that others have put into developing apps that allow us to do more in the game.

CCP can say this isn't about money grabbing but I personally believe they want another piece of the pie!

Nooto
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:54:00 - [523]
 

Edited by: Nooto on 15/06/2011 22:57:20
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
So, we have a wee bit of a threadnaught on our hands, gentlemen. I've been bombed with queries about this from concerned parties -- I picked a bad day to get the summer crud...

Unfortunately, CSM was not given a preview of this devblog. If we had been, these would have been my suggestions:

* Explain the real purpose of the $99 fee. I assume that it is to establish a valid contract that attempts to indemnify CCP against harm if the licensee gets sued, and/or cover the contract issuance costs for both the commercial and non-commercial licensees. If there is an overwhelming legal consideration that requires you to charge for certain types of licenses, explain this clearly.

* If the reason for the $99 fee is just to cover your licensing costs, then you are being penny-wise and pound-foolish. Each extra app that gets developed because you issue free licenses will result in much more income due to increased retention. "Do not bind the mouths of the kine that tread the grain," as it were.

* If you must charge, then:

* * Differentiate between different classes of licensee; there are probably three: those who charge a RL$ fee, those who accept RL$ donations or sell ads (especially to cover costs), and those who charge in-game fees or accept in-game donations. One price does not fit all, and arguably all but the first should be free or a token ($1).

* * Allow people to upgrade their license, so they can start developing for free, then monetize their app later.



aren't services wich are to be paid by rl cash forbidden by the EULA and TOS?

i mean CCP do have a valid point getting the legal stuff clarified and built on a solid base but at that costs? and if costs are a major factor for this fee why are there free of charge licences dont they cause the same workload as "commercial" ?

Thomas Moebius
Gallente
Minelands
HELM Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:55:00 - [524]
 

Edited by: Thomas Moebius on 15/06/2011 22:58:53
Well, can't reread a post earlier here, cause i can't find it...

Oh, can't search this forum.... no working forum search here...Shocked

Should use eve search then?

HAVE THEY TO GET A LICENSE TO PROVIDE A SEARCH FUNCTION FOR CCPS FORUM? Shocked OOOOPS! Embarassed

Have fun guys!

edit: typo
TM




Jaddar
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:56:00 - [525]
 

Originally by: Nooto
aren't services wich are to be paid by rl cash forbidden by the EULA and TOS?


They are. That's the whole purpose of this license, to allow payment via real life cash.

Nitinol
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:56:00 - [526]
 

Originally by: MegabitOne

One question left: in order to charge people for something, you will have to provide a SERVICE. What is the service you provide? 'The API' is not the right answer since that is free. Or is the general idea to no longer provide the API for free and to make applications have to 'login' to the API in order to use it? This seems the only real reason to me to start charging hard cash for something that has been free before... If this is the case then I guess it will only take someone about 5 minutes before taking out a license and providing his own API for free to others; all the others connect to that guy, no more cost, only donations to the guy providing his own API, guy pays you $99 every year. Everybody happy, no?


I thought of this too. Someone has already developed a similar proxy.

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:57:00 - [527]
 

Originally by: Sorakage

You need us more than we need you. Do NOT charge the people who are covering up your incompetence.




Stop charging your customers and you do not have to pay a fee to ccp. Not hard at all, right?

BTW, Atlas, I strongly recommend you establish together with this licence program an app store and hosting service for everyone who wants to use the free licence. For your commercial developers I guess it would be nice if you include isk payment options into the store and if you have coded all this, it would be easy to include a 100 million isk per month donation limited for your hobby developers the community can still say "thank you" to them without much hazel.

Nooto
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.15 22:59:00 - [528]
 

Originally by: Jaddar
Originally by: Nooto
aren't services wich are to be paid by rl cash forbidden by the EULA and TOS?


They are. That's the whole purpose of this license, to allow payment via real life cash.


according to ccp themself it isnt

"Will I be able to charge real life currency for in game services?

No, the commercial license does not allow you to charge real life money for any in-game services."

Dom Ahab
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:08:00 - [529]
 

WOW WTF IS HAPPENING?!

Does this mean that EVE Search needs to pay a license? CAUSE YOUR PEICE OF **** FORUM DOESN'T HAVE A WORTHWHILE SEARCH FEATURE. There is one very easy solution to this.

All 3rd Party Developers:

Get together! Sign a petition, and send it to CCP. If they go through with it just stop hosting your services! They're going to take control of any app's/services you have the second they can if you license with them. That's the idea. Centralize all the power.

You guys F**king suck. Your game is a BROKE PEICE OF MONKEY DUNG without the 3rd party support, I'm in my second year of Computer Science at the University and I would do better work than the idiots in Iceland, do you backwards guys still use BASIC?!

Read this thread, they don't give a flying f*ck:

Exporting Loot Log
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1513581


Christos Hendez
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:10:00 - [530]
 

hmmm, confirming that we are adopting EFT as an alliance-only tool and charging 5000000000000 isk per month per person to use it.

Or wait...CCP, wtf are you doing?

Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:10:00 - [531]
 

Reading this devblog made me physically ****ing sick.

I look forward to having to fork out money to have a PvP record, paying another subscription fee in order to play some EVE Online Holdem, and linking my paypal account to EFT anytime I need to make a fit.
Or on the other hand I'll just have to give up on all that stuff like the other 90% of players who don't want anything to do with this scheme. You'll see the developers give up on it eventually as they are paying a yearly fee for a product noone is using.

Most likely though, devs will ignore the fee with a big '**** YOU!' to CCP, have fun fighting dozens of IP cases in the courts against a legion of faceless internet peeps.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:11:00 - [532]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Unfortunately, CSM was not given a preview of this devblog.


This is what we most needed you to tell us, and paradoxically, what we all already knew.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:16:00 - [533]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Quote:
Starting this summer you will be able to charge people for usage of your applications, websites and services for EVE Online.


I think CCP finally caught on that the Eve community currently supports the private app developer. Wheteher it is with Isk in game or with a small paypal donation. Eve players appreciate the efforts that others have put into developing apps that allow us to do more in the game.

CCP can say this isn't about money grabbing but I personally believe they want another piece of the pie!


Come to think of it-- this isn't just money grabbing.... I actually think that somewhere down the line they may have designs on taking your intellectual property or slightly changing it so they can say it's theirs and because of that little license agreement that may have a certain fun little clause giving them the right to use and abuse it... More info needed!

Sarina Rhoda
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:19:00 - [534]
 

Edited by: Sarina Rhoda on 15/06/2011 23:19:49
So you are charging people who actualy cover up your mistakes and make this game enjoyable and playable... GJ

A list of tools that i think CCP messed up on by not having somthing similar in game include:

EFT
Dotlan
Evemon
killboard

If had to pay for these tools to make my game work as well as my supscription fees i would de-sub in a heart beat.

also QFT
Originally by:

You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Originally by: Chribba
ok seriously, I've like Ctrl+A, backspace this post 5 times now, tbh I'm out of words.

I would like to know how many 3rd party developer/sites are doing it for the ****ing awesome income it generates?! Seriously, this if anything WILL kill development of sites and services.

As a creator of sites/applications/services for New Eden since well over 6 years now, I can tell you that I have never once created something with the goal to make money off it, this whole thing about needing a license to make something for the community is just ****ing ******ed! Just hearing this makes my interest/will for developing things crash.

This is not about the $99, this is about how you want to charge me because I want to do something for the community out of my free will - does that sense? Do you feel I am stealing your IP, making massive amounts of money off your IP? Then tell me straight up, don't try to bind it into some fluffy clouds and call it "great news".

Every IPO in Market Discussions will now require a license, since after all, it's donations. Corporations should get a license too, I mean having a corp tax of >0.0% could be seen as a donation to the corporation...

And yeah, I guess me and everyone else with an EVE IP tattoo will need a license, I mean, some other geek may think it's awesome and want to buy me a beer...

I'm just very sad to see this even being discussed, talk about a punch in the face. Don't get me wrong, I see your point of EVE IP, and yes I can agree that it may need to be controlled to some extent, but this is not the way. Not by far.

/c


Originally by:

You need us more than we need you. Do NOT charge the people who are covering up your incompetence.


Food for thought CCP........

Datsun Achura
Perkone
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:22:00 - [535]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
BizDev = Marketing. Marketing is the single greatest source for really bad ideas in any corporation I’ve ever been directly involved with, associated with, or studied. The department draws egotistical, self-assured, incompetent idiots like no other department. With that in mind, you really can’t blame the “BizDev” department for release of this first draft. Simply put, they should not be held responsible for release of this “first draft”. No one should expect better from them.


God damn ain't that the truth.

Sometimes CCP come across as amateurs who just got really lucky with Eve ugh

Xia Long
Two Brothers Mining Corp.
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:24:00 - [536]
 

First of all thanks to u guys who developed what makes EVE playable, talking of Wollari, Chribba,Kronus and everyone else!!

then just to keep it visible
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats



Tipsy
Gallente
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:28:00 - [537]
 

Edited by: Tipsy on 16/06/2011 00:19:15
*sigh*

CCP has got this wrong by considering 'donation or ad-supported' tools to be commercial rather than charitable.

There are many tools using the EVE IP which are developed by the community for the benefit of the community, which incur ongoing costs, where donations and ads don't even cover the costs of maintenance let alone development, with the extremely remote chance of profit for their creators not even entering their minds.

CCP has responded to the generosity of those that contribute most to the EVE community by proposing to force them to either charge for what they produce, undermining the community spirit, or pay CCP for the privilege of working to add value to their game at an even greater personal cost.
Originally by: CCP Atlas
Donation and ad supported ventures is a tricky thing to allow without any sort of a commercial license though and that's a legal slippery slope.

It's so tricky to allow that you've been allowing and encouraging it for 8 years. It's such a slippery slope that despite playing this game and reading the forums, news and blogs since beta, I cannot recall a single publicised instance of the EVE IP being misused for commercial gain through donations or ad support.

If someone is using your IP in a way which is not allowed by the EULA and the laws of their country (I don't know how you plan to get around fair use) and you don't like it, ask them to stop. Cut off their service. Sue them if you have to. Those have always been the options open to you, and it's not clear to me how you could enforce this new licensing system without using them.

Ban or sue the people that contribute the most to this community and it will be gone for good.
----------------------------------


Stop, collaborate and listen
  • If CCP wants to encourage people to develop software and services for EVE, it should reward them, not charge them money. For example, a semi-annual award for 'Best EVE Online tool', with a cash prize.

  • If CCP wants to encourage people to monetise their tools, focus on those people. Give them an 'App Store'-like environment to sell their apps, advertised on the website and in-game. Get them to pay the yearly fee, or take a percentage of their sales.

  • Getting people to work for you for free for 8 years and then turning around and asking them for money is really, really dumb.
Originally by: CCP Atlas
The blog represents the first draft of what our bizdev department is thinking of in terms of the license agreement.

If you'd put "THIS IS A VERY ROUGH, FIRST DRAFT, NOT TO BE TAKEN AS POLICY, BLOG - COMMENTS WANTED" at the top (and in the middle, and at the bottom, and possibly on alternate lines) I suspect it would have received a slightly calmer reaction. Instead it seemed clear as a statement of policy and came across as one of CCP's normal announcements, in which it asks for feedback and then is generally felt to do pretty much what it proposed in the first place.

Please think this through.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:31:00 - [538]
 

Originally by: Xia Long
First of all thanks to u guys who developed what makes EVE playable, talking of Wollari, Chribba,Kronus and everyone else!!

then just to keep it visible
Originally by: Kronus Heilgar
You are charging people who work for free to make your game better you asshats





Only if they seek to profit from it. The non-commercial license is free. Just like anyone else, CCP has to protect it's IP. Licensing is the easiest way to do it. The nominal fee is purely that.

You all moaned like ****y little girls when capsuleer was forced to CAD, now there is a system being proposed which would mean apps like that could legitimately go on sale for practically nothing (assuming you intend to make money). What's the issue?

A few small projects can either stop making money ie. stop advertising or charging for their utilities and genuinely be 'free'. Or pay a nominal fee to obtain a license and be legit and be free to attempt to obtain as much revenue as they like either as profit or for costs etc.

Most businesses do not tolerate third party projects piggy-backing on their IP or resources. CCP has been a bit dizzy in the past to be perfectly honest - they've risked their copyright and other rights by not enforcing a licensing system long before now.




BLACK-STAR
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:31:00 - [539]
 

Dropping in.

I say

NO.

to all of that dev blog. don't care what wall of text you write and edit in a word processor. No and Please don't.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.06.15 23:31:00 - [540]
 

Quote:
•CCP also allows non-commercial apps and services, subject to simple clickwrap agreement substantially similar to the one that is provided to registered fansites.


Can someone enlighten us as to what this clickwrap agreement is?
Does it prohibit ads?
Will it interfere with a sites ability to recoup costs at all?

Don't say its a simple agreement and not put it out there for review.


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