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Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou
Posted - 2011.06.14 23:53:00 - [1]
 

I'm buying a new laptop today or tomorrow so I went to the dell website and they're trying to sell me an alienware but the 11.5 inch display and no internal CD drive (have to buy seperately) for 1600$ seemed a bit overpriced.

I wanted to just get one of their XPS ones. So I found one with a bigger screen, a CD drive and without the stupid alien logo it has the new intel i or whatever and it's all cheaper.

It has

NVIDIAŽ GeForceŽ GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus
MEMORY 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 1333MHz Memory


Videocard and memory things listed. Will that run the character creator and incarna .. OKish.. (doesn't need to be perfect my laptop right now is really choppy so)


Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:00:00 - [2]
 

Bump, need to know if it will run Incarna mainly (havent' been on test server) and how will it run the character creator

Bianca Danan
Minmatar
Ultimate Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:00:00 - [3]
 

I have a Dell 1747, runs eve like a dream

Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:02:00 - [4]
 

good, but I don't know what that is :)

Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:08:00 - [5]
 

any brand new laptop (not netbook) with a dedicated graphics card (not intel) will run eve just fine.

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:13:00 - [6]
 

If you're going to go down the Dell route, my advice is take out extended warranty and ask to have confirmation that replacement parts if needed, will be new NOT refurbished.

That's what made me go off Dell - gone with a specialist laptop to my specification not what they want to offload to me.

Bianca Danan
Minmatar
Ultimate Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:17:00 - [7]
 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Dell-Studio-1747-Notebook.24820.0.html

Zakua Corbin
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:18:00 - [8]
 

Like Eric said, It will run Eve just fine.

Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:20:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou on 15/06/2011 00:20:03
Klandi

Yeah I have a dell laptop right now. Mainly just because they're easy to order and seem to be a pretty good value vOv. I've treated my current one like crap, spilled a few drinks on it, a hand-soap was exploded on it when my couch was carpet bombed a roaming brigand and it still runs even though it has some keys falling off so.. good enough for me. I don't have a refined taste when it comes to computers.

Shepard Book
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:21:00 - [10]
 

I would get a desktop instead if you want to play any other games. I was debating laptop myself but none had the ghz I wanted for the price. I ended up going for an acer gaming rig. I also agree if you buy an alienware anything, your paying for the name mostly.

I am not sure about the reqs for Incarna as far as the laptop your looking at. GL.

Bianca Danan
Minmatar
Ultimate Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:21:00 - [11]
 

Oh and don't believe the heat stories.

Anndy
Caldari
Segmentum Solar
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:28:00 - [12]
 

should work fine but tbh you should really consider a desktop, you get more bang for your buck, they are cheaper and last longer plus if you ever do need repairs/upgrades its a lot easier and cheaper with a desktop

Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:30:00 - [13]
 

Personal experience, don't buy a toshiba, batteries barely last a year, they get really hot and need to be cleaned (case screwed open etc) every month to function properly, also support is non-existent.

HP is a very good brand but expensive, I hear fujitsu is good and a little cheaper, though no personal experience with fujitsu.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:42:00 - [14]
 

If you want to play PC games you need laptop AND a real computer. Laptops are NOT for gaming.

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.06.15 00:51:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
If you want to play PC games you need laptop AND a real computer. Laptops are NOT for gaming.

That's competely false and idiotic. Obviously you have very little technical knowledge...


To the OP - I own 12 PC's here at home 6 Desktops and 7 Laptops. The Laptop I bought last week is an ASUS G73W-X3C. It's got Nvidia Graphics and 1920 x 1080 visuals. Was $2500.00 last October when it was released, I got it for $1200.00. I won't bother with the specs because ASUS makes several G73W models that are all gaming worthy... Check em out...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.06.15 03:07:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 15/06/2011 03:12:03

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1521448

Basically, you need something with either dual ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870, or single Radeon HD 6970M, or GeForce GTX 485M if you're considering a laptop that can run CQ at max graphic detail at nearly 60 FPS.

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Rasz Lin
If you want to play PC games you need laptop AND a real computer. Laptops are NOT for gaming.

That's competely false and idiotic. Obviously you have very little technical knowledge.


To quote from my own posts in the linked thread...


"Mobile video cards suffer from a wide variety of issues, but the general rule of thumb is, a mobile version of the same generation and model name is almost 2, sometimes 3 times slower than the exact same model for the desktop.
On a certain tech level (printing scale), the more power you push in, the more performance you get, with not that much variation between companies, and with mobile chipsets just barely getting a bit more power efficiency (while also costing a lot more).
But, with more power (or, if you prefer, performance) you also get a lot of heat, which can be extremely problematic for a laptop to properly dissipate, even if you keep it plugged into the wall socket so battery life is not so much of an issue.

I've heard of more than a few cases in which some alleged high quality (and high price) laptops even sitting on noisy cooler pads (to assist with the heat problem) still managed to fry their GPUs with prolonged gaming.
The very bad news here being that as soon as the CQ expansion hits Tranquility, whenever you dock, your mobile GPU will most likely be taxed to the maximum (or very close to it) even if you set it on "interval one", which should mean you'd either have to take the risk of the video card frying (basically rendering your pricey laptop useless) or severely downgrading the graphics options manually whenever you dock for more than a few minutes in the hopes that just maybe you won't be redlining it all the time."

Let's get some baselines of what graphics card power you'd like to have... for EVE, with CQ, even a desktop GeForce GTX 460 (160W for the 1GB model) is barely decent with everything on highest, and I suppose in the ATI department, a Radeon HD 5850 (150W) should be a bit better overall but no PhysX.
So, now, the other bad news is, in the mobile GPU department, there are only two current "top of the line" graphics chipsets that are out and about already that even come close to that performance-wise, namely GeForce GTX 485M (100W max power drain - performance between a desktop 460 but above a 460 SE) and Radeon HD 6970M (75W max power drain, performance close to a desktop Radeon HD 6790)"


And also dual-card crossfire/SLI solutions, but that's a bit weird, and before searching for this then, I wasn't even aware people actually sold laptops like that (and still have to see a single dual-NVIDIA-in-SLI laptop, all of them were dual ATI-in-crossfire laptops).

Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos
Word of Chaos Undivided
Posted - 2011.06.15 03:52:00 - [17]
 

It won't matter how well today's EvE runs, you need it to run EvE tomorrow too.

Judicator Saturnius
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.06.15 04:02:00 - [18]
 

Agreed with Akita T and others, laptops are not a sustained gaming platform.


Dhaliparton
Posted - 2011.06.15 04:16:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Dhaliparton on 15/06/2011 04:16:56
Originally by: Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou
I'm buying a new laptop today or tomorrow so I went to the dell website and they're trying to sell me an alienware but the 11.5 inch display and no internal CD drive (have to buy seperately) for 1600$ seemed a bit overpriced.

I wanted to just get one of their XPS ones. So I found one with a bigger screen, a CD drive and without the stupid alien logo it has the new intel i or whatever and it's all cheaper.

It has

NVIDIAŽ GeForceŽ GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus

MEMORY 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 1333MHz Memory


Videocard and memory things listed. Will that run the character creator and incarna .. OKish.. (doesn't need to be perfect my laptop right now is really choppy so)




Try this one from maingear. $11,674.00

http://www.maingear.com/boutique/pc/viewconfig.asp?config=EEDEL

Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou
Posted - 2011.06.15 04:21:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou on 15/06/2011 04:21:17
Thanks guys, also thanks Bianca I favorited that one so I might get it. But yeah, I'm looking at a laptop because I only play EVE (it's great it's so easy to run, at least it was) and I can throw the laptop anywhere like when I'm lounging on the couch or bed and browsing the internet and doing other stuff. It's not so demanding it warrants sitting at a desk :p Plus my desk is really my coffee table which I like better. (If I was doing industry or trading at a desk I would really feel like I was at a job :o ..)

Mintoko
Gallente
Taedium In Perpetuam
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:10:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Klandi
If you're going to go down the Dell route, my advice is take out extended warranty and ask to have confirmation that replacement parts if needed, will be new NOT refurbished.

That's what made me go off Dell - gone with a specialist laptop to my specification not what they want to offload to me.


Unless they've changed their policy in the last few years, all replacement parts are refurbished if available. The only exception would be special accounts that pay a lot more for service than we peons would.

Trader Hansen
Failure Assured
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:22:00 - [22]
 

GT 130M: 3DMark Vantage Gaming: 3717.3
GT 525M: 3DMark Vantage Gaming: 5374.2

On my GT130M (1680x1050) I can run 1 account at high detail comfortably, 2 accounts at low detail comfotably, or 3 accounts at low detail with stutter.

The character creator on the other hand, if I pump it up to full detail, it works, but is quite slow.

So... Your card, which is about 70% more powerful should cope just fine with the character creator. I can't comment on CQ, and TBQFH I don't care about the CQ Incarna bull****. I play internet spaceships for... Internet spaceships. Not dress-ups online.

Normal gameplay, your card will handle easily. Not sure about 2 accounts at high detail, but possibly.

Kaba Zaoshi
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:25:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou

NVIDIAŽ GeForceŽ GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus
MEMORY 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 1333MHz Memory



EVE Online client runs on single thread, make sure to get 3 GHz or higher processor if you want high FPS.

Sapha
Solar Wind
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:30:00 - [24]
 

I bought my laptop from cyberpower.com
Not a brand name but it works better than any dell or HP i have ever owned. I can run 3 eve clients with absolutely no problems. Just make sure you get one with a dedicated gpu.

Trader Hansen
Failure Assured
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:33:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Kaba Zaoshi
Originally by: Hurffinliaua Doeu Rrufaou

NVIDIAŽ GeForceŽ GT 525M 1GB graphics with Optimus
MEMORY 6GB Shared Dual Channel DDR3 1333MHz Memory



EVE Online client runs on single thread, make sure to get 3 GHz or higher processor if you want high FPS.

EVE isn't very CPU dependent. 3GHz on a single core is overkill for Eve. It's the GPU that matters.

CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 05:59:00 - [26]
 

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.


Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.15 06:07:00 - [27]
 

Clevo Sager Laptops www.xoticpc.com

Azhpol
Gallente
Casa Del Wombat
Posted - 2011.06.15 06:17:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: BrundleMeth
Originally by: Rasz Lin
If you want to play PC games you need laptop AND a real computer. Laptops are NOT for gaming.

That's competely false and idiotic. Obviously you have very little technical knowledge...


To the OP - I own 12 PC's here at home 6 Desktops and 7 Laptops. The Laptop I bought last week is an ASUS G73W-X3C. It's got Nvidia Graphics and 1920 x 1080 visuals. Was $2500.00 last October when it was released, I got it for $1200.00. I won't bother with the specs because ASUS makes several G73W models that are all gaming worthy... Check em out...
Did ya know that gaming companies explicitly do NOT support laptops, even if it is a gaming laptop? I have worked for several gaming companies in the tech support area, and every single one of them wanted us to end the call with the customer as soon as you realized it was a laptop(can't hide it if you get the specs)

Simple fact is that laptop hardware, while able to benchmark just as high, is not as inherently robust as desktop hardware, and is more likely(not guaranteed, just more likely)to fail under the stress and heat of a prolonged gaming session. If you want a system to carry and check you skill training, maybe run a mission or 2 from, a laptop will work fine, but if you want to play seriously you are gonna want a desktop.

Even blizzard tech support told people to bugger off when they called in with the WoW special edition gaming laptops they made with Dell, and that was DESIGNED to run wow Rolling Eyes

Benchmarks aren't everything, and mobile class architecture is just not as robust as desktop hardware, which in turn is not as robust as workstation hardware(tho more capable).

In the end, get what suits your needs, if you need mobility on your machine you are gonna have to make some sacrifices in overall performance.

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2011.06.15 07:27:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Azhpol

Simple fact is that laptop hardware, while able to benchmark just as high, is not as inherently robust as desktop hardware, and is more likely(not guaranteed, just more likely)to fail under the stress and heat of a prolonged gaming session. If you want a system to carry and check you skill training, maybe run a mission or 2 from, a laptop will work fine, but if you want to play seriously you are gonna want a desktop.

Even blizzard tech support told people to bugger off when they called in with the WoW special edition gaming laptops they made with Dell, and that was DESIGNED to run wow Rolling Eyes

Benchmarks aren't everything, and mobile class architecture is just not as robust as desktop hardware, which in turn is not as robust as workstation hardware(tho more capable).

In the end, get what suits your needs, if you need mobility on your machine you are gonna have to make some sacrifices in overall performance.



I support this line of thought. I have burned 3 Laptops already <2 HP Laptops and 1 Asus notebook> running games. Desktops I have burned playing? ZERO. Also whenever one piece of my desktop is getting old I replace it asap and total "manual refurbishing and upgrade" is way cheaper than buying a new model.

I think it boils down to how long per day are you planning to play? Laptops sucks for extended gaming periods.

I know you want the laptop for ease of use, but just take a moment to reconsider. Anyway, if you going for a Laptop and want quality go for a sager one. Dell ones are just a rip off in terms of quality and they overcharge.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.15 07:37:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 15/06/2011 07:37:27
CD Drive? Confused

It must be the 90's, I've travelled back in time! Very Happy

*Runs off to buy stocks in Mac*


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